Black Speech - Revision history

Glaurung the Golden: /* Inspiration */

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	In real life, [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] created this language with the intention of making it harsh and ugly,{{fact}} although people who speak the European languages that he emulated may disagree with his methods. The Black Speech is unfortunately one of the more incomplete languages in Tolkien's novels, because the forces of good refuse to utter it, as it attracts the attention of the [[Eye of Sauron]]. Unlike [[Elvish]], there are no poems or songs written in it (apart from the Ring's inscription), and because Tolkien designed it to be unpleasant, he did not enjoy writing it. The result is a random collection of words that are hard to actually use in day-to-day conversation. We learn from the text in the ring and its translation that the Black Speech is a strongly [[Wikipedia:Agglutination\|agglutinating]] language.		In real life, [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] created this language with the intention of making it harsh and ugly,{{fact}} although people who speak the European languages that he emulated may disagree with his methods. The Black Speech is unfortunately one of the more incomplete languages in Tolkien's novels, because the forces of good refuse to utter it, as it attracts the attention of the [[Eye of Sauron]]. Unlike [[Elvish]], there are no poems or songs written in it (apart from the Ring's inscription), and because Tolkien designed it to be unpleasant, he did not enjoy writing it. The result is a random collection of words that are hard to actually use in day-to-day conversation. We learn from the text in the ring and its translation that the Black Speech is a strongly [[Wikipedia:Agglutination\|agglutinating]] language.

−	Tolkien linguist [[Helge Fauskanger]] has noted a theory proposed by Russian historian Alexander Nemirovski, that the Black Speech shares many similarities with the ancient Mesopotamian language [[Wikipedia:Hurrian language\|Hurrian]].<ref>{{webcite\|author=[[Helge Fauskanger]]\|articleurl=http://www.uib.no/People/hnohf/orkish.htm\|articlename=Orkish and the Black Speech - base language for base purposes\|dated=\|website=Arda\|accessed=12 January 2013}}</ref>	+	Tolkien linguist [[Helge Fauskanger]] has noted a theory proposed by Russian historian Alexander Nemirovski, that the Black Speech, according to the shape of words, agglutination and grammar, shares many similarities with the ancient Mesopotamian language [[Wikipedia:Hurrian language\|Hurrian]].<ref>{{webcite\|author=[[Helge Fauskanger]]\|articleurl=http://www.uib.no/People/hnohf/orkish.htm\|articlename=Orkish and the Black Speech - base language for base purposes\|dated=\|website=Arda\|accessed=12 January 2013}}</ref>

	==Portrayal in adaptations==		==Portrayal in adaptations==

Morgan: Added quick link to Cat:Black Speech words

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	'''2001-03: [[The Lord of the Rings (film series)\|''The Lord of the Rings'' (film series)]]:'''		'''2001-03: [[The Lord of the Rings (film series)\|''The Lord of the Rings'' (film series)]]:'''
	: Linguist [[David Salo]] used what little is known of the Black Speech to create enough of a language for use in the films.<ref>[http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/movie_archives_4.htm Language in The Lord of the Rings Movie (August 12, 2003)] at [http://www.elvish.org/ Elvish.org] (accessed 26 December 2010)</ref> This is usually referred to by [[Tolkienists]] as neo-Black Speech.		: Linguist [[David Salo]] used what little is known of the Black Speech to create enough of a language for use in the films.<ref>[http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/movie_archives_4.htm Language in The Lord of the Rings Movie (August 12, 2003)] at [http://www.elvish.org/ Elvish.org] (accessed 26 December 2010)</ref> This is usually referred to by [[Tolkienists]] as neo-Black Speech.
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		+	==See also==
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		+	*[[:Category:Black Speech words\|Category: Black Speech words]]

	==External links==		==External links==

Morgan: /* Inspiration */

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Inspiration

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	In real life, [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] created this language with the intention of making it harsh and ugly,{{fact}} although people who speak the European languages that he emulated may disagree with his methods. The Black Speech is unfortunately one of the more incomplete languages in Tolkien's novels, because the forces of good refuse to utter it, as it attracts the attention of the [[Eye of Sauron]]. Unlike [[Elvish]], there are no poems or songs written in it (apart from the Ring's inscription), and because Tolkien designed it to be unpleasant, he did not enjoy writing it. The result is a random collection of words that are hard to actually use in day-to-day conversation. We learn from the text in the ring and its translation that the Black Speech is a strongly [[Wikipedia:Agglutination\|agglutinating]] language.		In real life, [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] created this language with the intention of making it harsh and ugly,{{fact}} although people who speak the European languages that he emulated may disagree with his methods. The Black Speech is unfortunately one of the more incomplete languages in Tolkien's novels, because the forces of good refuse to utter it, as it attracts the attention of the [[Eye of Sauron]]. Unlike [[Elvish]], there are no poems or songs written in it (apart from the Ring's inscription), and because Tolkien designed it to be unpleasant, he did not enjoy writing it. The result is a random collection of words that are hard to actually use in day-to-day conversation. We learn from the text in the ring and its translation that the Black Speech is a strongly [[Wikipedia:Agglutination\|agglutinating]] language.

−	Tolkien linguist [[Helge Fauskanger]] has noted a theory proposed by Russian historian Alexander Nemirovski, that the Black Speech shares many similarities with an ancient Mesopotamian language, [[Wikipedia:Hurrian language\|Hurrian]].<ref>{{webcite\|author=[[Helge Fauskanger]]\|articleurl=http://www.uib.no/People/hnohf/orkish.htm\|articlename=Orkish and the Black Speech - base language for base purposes\|dated=\|website=Arda\|accessed=12 January 2013}}</ref>	+	Tolkien linguist [[Helge Fauskanger]] has noted a theory proposed by Russian historian Alexander Nemirovski, that the Black Speech shares many similarities with the ancient Mesopotamian language [[Wikipedia:Hurrian language\|Hurrian]].<ref>{{webcite\|author=[[Helge Fauskanger]]\|articleurl=http://www.uib.no/People/hnohf/orkish.htm\|articlename=Orkish and the Black Speech - base language for base purposes\|dated=\|website=Arda\|accessed=12 January 2013}}</ref>

	==Portrayal in adaptations==		==Portrayal in adaptations==

Morgan: Re-added (tweaked) Hurrian theory

2013-01-11T23:11:21Z

Re-added (tweaked) Hurrian theory

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	==Inspiration==		==Inspiration==
	In real life, [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] created this language with the intention of making it harsh and ugly,{{fact}} although people who speak the European languages that he emulated may disagree with his methods. The Black Speech is unfortunately one of the more incomplete languages in Tolkien's novels, because the forces of good refuse to utter it, as it attracts the attention of the [[Eye of Sauron]]. Unlike [[Elvish]], there are no poems or songs written in it (apart from the Ring's inscription), and because Tolkien designed it to be unpleasant, he did not enjoy writing it. The result is a random collection of words that are hard to actually use in day-to-day conversation. We learn from the text in the ring and its translation that the Black Speech is a strongly [[Wikipedia:Agglutination\|agglutinating]] language.		In real life, [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] created this language with the intention of making it harsh and ugly,{{fact}} although people who speak the European languages that he emulated may disagree with his methods. The Black Speech is unfortunately one of the more incomplete languages in Tolkien's novels, because the forces of good refuse to utter it, as it attracts the attention of the [[Eye of Sauron]]. Unlike [[Elvish]], there are no poems or songs written in it (apart from the Ring's inscription), and because Tolkien designed it to be unpleasant, he did not enjoy writing it. The result is a random collection of words that are hard to actually use in day-to-day conversation. We learn from the text in the ring and its translation that the Black Speech is a strongly [[Wikipedia:Agglutination\|agglutinating]] language.
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		+	Tolkien linguist [[Helge Fauskanger]] has noted a theory proposed by Russian historian Alexander Nemirovski, that the Black Speech shares many similarities with an ancient Mesopotamian language, [[Wikipedia:Hurrian language\|Hurrian]].<ref>{{webcite\|author=[[Helge Fauskanger]]\|articleurl=http://www.uib.no/People/hnohf/orkish.htm\|articlename=Orkish and the Black Speech - base language for base purposes\|dated=\|website=Arda\|accessed=12 January 2013}}</ref>

	==Portrayal in adaptations==		==Portrayal in adaptations==

Morgan: Undo revision 225442 by Glaurung the Golden (talk) Wp copy

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	Many Orkish dialects had adopted words from it.<ref name="Trans"/> The Black Speech was at least in part based on [[Valarin]].		Many Orkish dialects had adopted words from it.<ref name="Trans"/> The Black Speech was at least in part based on [[Valarin]].
	==Inspiration==		==Inspiration==
−	In real life, [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] created this language with the intention of making it harsh and ugly,{{fact}} although people who speak the European languages that he emulated may disagree with his methods. The Black Speech is unfortunately one of the more incomplete languages in Tolkien's novels, because the forces of good refuse to utter it, as it attracts the attention of the [[Eye of Sauron]]. Unlike [[Elvish]], there are no poems or songs written in it (apart from the Ring's inscription), and because Tolkien designed it to be unpleasant, he did not enjoy writing it. The result is a random collection of words that are hard to actually use in day-to-day conversation. We learn from the text in the ring and its translation that the Black Speech is a strongly [[Wikipedia:Agglutination\|agglutinating]] language~~. Russian historian Alexander Nemirovski identified an ergative case in the suffix -''tuluk'' meanning "them all". He also claimed a similarity with some other~~	+	In real life, [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] created this language with the intention of making it harsh and ugly,{{fact}} although people who speak the European languages that he emulated may disagree with his methods. The Black Speech is unfortunately one of the more incomplete languages in Tolkien's novels, because the forces of good refuse to utter it, as it attracts the attention of the [[Eye of Sauron]]. Unlike [[Elvish]], there are no poems or songs written in it (apart from the Ring's inscription), and because Tolkien designed it to be unpleasant, he did not enjoy writing it. The result is a random collection of words that are hard to actually use in day-to-day conversation. We learn from the text in the ring and its translation that the Black Speech is a strongly [[Wikipedia:Agglutination\|agglutinating]] language.
−	~~ergative-absolutive languages like ancient Mesopotamian language, Hurrian~~.	+

	==Portrayal in adaptations==		==Portrayal in adaptations==

Glaurung the Golden at 23:01, 9 January 2013

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	Many Orkish dialects had adopted words from it.<ref name="Trans"/> The Black Speech was at least in part based on [[Valarin]].		Many Orkish dialects had adopted words from it.<ref name="Trans"/> The Black Speech was at least in part based on [[Valarin]].
	==Inspiration==		==Inspiration==
−	In real life, [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] created this language with the intention of making it harsh and ugly,{{fact}} although people who speak the European languages that he emulated may disagree with his methods. The Black Speech is unfortunately one of the more incomplete languages in Tolkien's novels, because the forces of good refuse to utter it, as it attracts the attention of the [[Eye of Sauron]]. Unlike [[Elvish]], there are no poems or songs written in it (apart from the Ring's inscription), and because Tolkien designed it to be unpleasant, he did not enjoy writing it. The result is a random collection of words that are hard to actually use in day-to-day conversation. We learn from the text in the ring and its translation that the Black Speech is a strongly [[Wikipedia:Agglutination\|agglutinating]] language.	+	In real life, [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] created this language with the intention of making it harsh and ugly,{{fact}} although people who speak the European languages that he emulated may disagree with his methods. The Black Speech is unfortunately one of the more incomplete languages in Tolkien's novels, because the forces of good refuse to utter it, as it attracts the attention of the [[Eye of Sauron]]. Unlike [[Elvish]], there are no poems or songs written in it (apart from the Ring's inscription), and because Tolkien designed it to be unpleasant, he did not enjoy writing it. The result is a random collection of words that are hard to actually use in day-to-day conversation. We learn from the text in the ring and its translation that the Black Speech is a strongly [[Wikipedia:Agglutination\|agglutinating]] language. Russian historian Alexander Nemirovski identified an ergative case in the suffix -''tuluk'' meanning "them all". He also claimed a similarity with some other
		+	ergative-absolutive languages like ancient Mesopotamian language, Hurrian.

	==Portrayal in adaptations==		==Portrayal in adaptations==

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	==Portrayal in adaptations==		==Portrayal in adaptations==

−	'''2001-3: [[The Lord of the Rings (film series)\|''The Lord of the Rings'' (film series)]]:'''	+	'''2001-03: [[The Lord of the Rings (film series)\|''The Lord of the Rings'' (film series)]]:'''
	: Linguist [[David Salo]] used what little is known of the Black Speech to create enough of a language for use in the films.<ref>[http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/movie_archives_4.htm Language in The Lord of the Rings Movie (August 12, 2003)] at [http://www.elvish.org/ Elvish.org] (accessed 26 December 2010)</ref> This is usually referred to by [[Tolkienists]] as neo-Black Speech.		: Linguist [[David Salo]] used what little is known of the Black Speech to create enough of a language for use in the films.<ref>[http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/movie_archives_4.htm Language in The Lord of the Rings Movie (August 12, 2003)] at [http://www.elvish.org/ Elvish.org] (accessed 26 December 2010)</ref> This is usually referred to by [[Tolkienists]] as neo-Black Speech.

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	==Portrayal in adaptations==		==Portrayal in adaptations==

−	'''2001-3: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The ~~Motion Picture Trilogy]]~~'':'''	+	'''2001-3: [[The Lord of the Rings (film series)\|''The Lord of the Rings'' (film series)]]:'''
	: Linguist [[David Salo]] used what little is known of the Black Speech to create enough of a language for use in the films.<ref>[http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/movie_archives_4.htm Language in The Lord of the Rings Movie (August 12, 2003)] at [http://www.elvish.org/ Elvish.org] (accessed 26 December 2010)</ref> This is usually referred to by [[Tolkienists]] as neo-Black Speech.		: Linguist [[David Salo]] used what little is known of the Black Speech to create enough of a language for use in the films.<ref>[http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/movie_archives_4.htm Language in The Lord of the Rings Movie (August 12, 2003)] at [http://www.elvish.org/ Elvish.org] (accessed 26 December 2010)</ref> This is usually referred to by [[Tolkienists]] as neo-Black Speech.

Morgan: /* Inspiration */

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Inspiration

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	Many Orkish dialects had adopted words from it.<ref name="Trans"/> The Black Speech was at least in part based on [[Valarin]].		Many Orkish dialects had adopted words from it.<ref name="Trans"/> The Black Speech was at least in part based on [[Valarin]].
	==Inspiration==		==Inspiration==
−	In real life, [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] created this language with the intention of making it harsh and ugly, although people who speak the European languages that he emulated may disagree with his methods. The Black Speech is unfortunately one of the more incomplete languages in Tolkien's novels, because the forces of good refuse to utter it, as it attracts the attention of the [[Eye of Sauron]]. Unlike [[Elvish]], there are no poems or songs written in it (apart from the Ring's inscription), and because Tolkien designed it to be unpleasant, he did not enjoy writing it. The result is a random collection of words that are hard to actually use in day-to-day conversation. We learn from the text in the ring and its translation that the Black Speech is a strongly [[Wikipedia:Agglutination\|agglutinating]] language.	+	In real life, [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] created this language with the intention of making it harsh and ugly,{{fact}} although people who speak the European languages that he emulated may disagree with his methods. The Black Speech is unfortunately one of the more incomplete languages in Tolkien's novels, because the forces of good refuse to utter it, as it attracts the attention of the [[Eye of Sauron]]. Unlike [[Elvish]], there are no poems or songs written in it (apart from the Ring's inscription), and because Tolkien designed it to be unpleasant, he did not enjoy writing it. The result is a random collection of words that are hard to actually use in day-to-day conversation. We learn from the text in the ring and its translation that the Black Speech is a strongly [[Wikipedia:Agglutination\|agglutinating]] language.

	==Portrayal in adaptations==		==Portrayal in adaptations==

Gamling: Added references

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−	~~Sauron created the~~ '''Black Speech'''~~, as an artificial language,~~ to be the sole language of all the servants of Mordor, replacing the many different varieties of [[Orkish]] and other languages used by his servants. ~~Tolkien describes~~ the ~~language as existing in two forms,~~ the ancient "pure" ~~forms used~~ by ~~Sauron himself,~~ the [[Nazgûl]]~~, and~~ the [[~~Olog~~-~~hai~~]], ~~and the~~ more "debased" form used by the soldiery of ~~the~~ [[Barad-dûr]] at the end of the [[Third Age]]. The only example given of "pure" Black Speech is the inscription upon [[the One Ring]]:	+	__NOTOC__
		+	The '''Black Speech''' was created by [[Sauron]] during the [[Dark Years]] to be the sole language of all the servants of Mordor, replacing the many different varieties of [[Orkish]] and other languages used by his servants. When Sauron was overthrown at the end of the [[Second Age]] the ancient "pure" form was forgotten by all but the [[Nazgûl]]. When Sauron returned it was once again made the official language of [[Barad-dûr]]. However, a more "debased" form was used by the soldiery of [[Barad-dûr]] at the end of the [[Third Age]].<ref name="Trans">{{App\|Translation}}</ref> The only example given of "pure" Black Speech is the inscription upon [[the One Ring]]<ref>{{FR\|II2}}</ref>:

−	:''Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul,''	+	<poem style="font-style:italic; margin-left:20px;">
−	~~:''~~ash nazg thrakatulûk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.''	+	Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul,
		+	ash nazg thrakatulûk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.
		+	</poem>

	When translated into English, these words form the lines:		When translated into English, these words form the lines:

−	:''One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,''	+	<poem style="font-style:italic; margin-left:20px;">
−	~~:''~~One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.''	+	One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
		+	One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.
		+	</poem>

	These are the first two lines from the end of a verse about the [[Rings of Power]].		These are the first two lines from the end of a verse about the [[Rings of Power]].

−	Many Orkish dialects had adopted words from it. The Black Speech was at least in part based on [[Valarin]].	+	Many Orkish dialects had adopted words from it.<ref name="Trans"/> The Black Speech was at least in part based on [[Valarin]].
−		+	==Inspiration==
−	In real life, [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] created this language with the intention of making it harsh and ugly, although people who speak the European languages that he emulated may disagree with his methods. The Black Speech is unfortunately one of the more incomplete languages in Tolkien's novels, because the forces of good refuse to utter it, as it attracts the attention of the [[Eye of Sauron]]. Unlike [[Elvish]], there are no poems or songs written in it (apart from the Ring's inscription), and because Tolkien designed it to be unpleasant, he did not enjoy writing it. The result is a random collection of words that are hard to actually use in day-to-day conversation. We learn from the text in the ring and its translation that the Black Speech is a strongly agglutinating language.	+	In real life, [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] created this language with the intention of making it harsh and ugly, although people who speak the European languages that he emulated may disagree with his methods. The Black Speech is unfortunately one of the more incomplete languages in Tolkien's novels, because the forces of good refuse to utter it, as it attracts the attention of the [[Eye of Sauron]]. Unlike [[Elvish]], there are no poems or songs written in it (apart from the Ring's inscription), and because Tolkien designed it to be unpleasant, he did not enjoy writing it. The result is a random collection of words that are hard to actually use in day-to-day conversation. We learn from the text in the ring and its translation that the Black Speech is a strongly [[Wikipedia:Agglutination\|agglutinating]] language.

	==Portrayal in adaptations==		==Portrayal in adaptations==