Cellar door - Revision history

Morgan: Correcting the confusion on the valedictory/English and Welsh

2010-08-17T09:43:01Z

Correcting the confusion on the valedictory/English and Welsh

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−	In his 1955 ~~valedictory address~~ ''[[English and Welsh]]'', [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] mentioned '''cellar door''' as a combination of English words having an especially beautiful sound independent of their meaning (i.e. purely [[wikipedia:Phonaesthetics\|phonaesthetically]] beautiful):	+	In his 1955 lecture ''[[English and Welsh]]'', [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] mentioned '''cellar door''' as a combination of English words having an especially beautiful sound independent of their meaning (i.e. purely [[wikipedia:Phonaesthetics\|phonaesthetically]] beautiful):
	{{blockquote\|Most English-speaking people ... will admit that cellar door is 'beautiful', especially if dissociated from its sense (and from its spelling). More beautiful than, say, sky, and far more beautiful than beautiful</span>. Well then, in Welsh for me cellar doors are extraordinarily frequent, and moving to the higher dimension, the words in which there is pleasure in the contemplation of the association of form and sense are abundant.}}		{{blockquote\|Most English-speaking people ... will admit that cellar door is 'beautiful', especially if dissociated from its sense (and from its spelling). More beautiful than, say, sky, and far more beautiful than beautiful</span>. Well then, in Welsh for me cellar doors are extraordinarily frequent, and moving to the higher dimension, the words in which there is pleasure in the contemplation of the association of form and sense are abundant.}}
	Because of this speech Tolkien is one of several prominent writers and linguists to whom the phrase is often erroneously attributed.<ref>Graeme Green, '[http://news.scotsman.com/lordoftherings/A-cellar-door-to-the.2487132.jp A cellar door to the soul]'. Updated 2003-12-15. Retrieved 2010-10-17.</ref><ref>Dan Kois. [http://www.salon.com/entertainment/movies/feature/2004/07/23/darko/index.html Everything you were afraid to ask about "Donnie Darko"]. Updated 2004-07-23. Retrieved 2010-10-17.</ref> In fact the 'cellar door' aphorism was in circulation for at least fifty years before Tolkien used it – the first published instance being in a 1903 novel ''Gee Boy'' by Cyrus Hooper, and even there it is implied the phrase came from another source.<ref>Grant Barrett (11 February 2010). '[http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/magazine/14FOB-onlanguage-t.html?_r=1 On Language - Cellar Door]'. ''The New York Times'' (New York).</ref>		Because of this speech Tolkien is one of several prominent writers and linguists to whom the phrase is often erroneously attributed.<ref>Graeme Green, '[http://news.scotsman.com/lordoftherings/A-cellar-door-to-the.2487132.jp A cellar door to the soul]'. Updated 2003-12-15. Retrieved 2010-10-17.</ref><ref>Dan Kois. [http://www.salon.com/entertainment/movies/feature/2004/07/23/darko/index.html Everything you were afraid to ask about "Donnie Darko"]. Updated 2004-07-23. Retrieved 2010-10-17.</ref> In fact the 'cellar door' aphorism was in circulation for at least fifty years before Tolkien used it – the first published instance being in a 1903 novel ''Gee Boy'' by Cyrus Hooper, and even there it is implied the phrase came from another source.<ref>Grant Barrett (11 February 2010). '[http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/magazine/14FOB-onlanguage-t.html?_r=1 On Language - Cellar Door]'. ''The New York Times'' (New York).</ref>

Aule the Smith at 07:43, 17 August 2010

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	In his 1955 valedictory address ''[[English and Welsh]]'', [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] mentioned '''cellar door''' as a combination of English words having an especially beautiful sound independent of their meaning (i.e. purely [[wikipedia:Phonaesthetics\|phonaesthetically]] beautiful):		In his 1955 valedictory address ''[[English and Welsh]]'', [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] mentioned '''cellar door''' as a combination of English words having an especially beautiful sound independent of their meaning (i.e. purely [[wikipedia:Phonaesthetics\|phonaesthetically]] beautiful):
	{{blockquote\|Most English-speaking people ... will admit that cellar door is 'beautiful', especially if dissociated from its sense (and from its spelling). More beautiful than, say, sky, and far more beautiful than beautiful</span>. Well then, in Welsh for me cellar doors are extraordinarily frequent, and moving to the higher dimension, the words in which there is pleasure in the contemplation of the association of form and sense are abundant.}}		{{blockquote\|Most English-speaking people ... will admit that cellar door is 'beautiful', especially if dissociated from its sense (and from its spelling). More beautiful than, say, sky, and far more beautiful than beautiful</span>. Well then, in Welsh for me cellar doors are extraordinarily frequent, and moving to the higher dimension, the words in which there is pleasure in the contemplation of the association of form and sense are abundant.}}
−	Because of this speech Tolkien is one of several prominent writers and linguists to whom the phrase is often erroneously attributed.<ref>Graeme Green, '[http://news.scotsman.com/lordoftherings/A-cellar-door-to-the.2487132.jp A cellar door to the soul]]'. Updated 2003-12-15. Retrieved 2010-10-17.</ref><ref>Dan Kois. [http://www.salon.com/entertainment/movies/feature/2004/07/23/darko/index.html Everything you were afraid to ask about "Donnie Darko"]. Updated 2004-07-23. Retrieved 2010-10-17.</ref> In fact the 'cellar door' aphorism was in circulation for at least fifty years before Tolkien used it – the first published instance being in a 1903 novel ''Gee Boy'' by Cyrus Hooper, and even there it is implied the phrase came from another source.<ref>Grant Barrett (11 February 2010). '[http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/magazine/14FOB-onlanguage-t.html?_r=1 On Language - Cellar Door]'. ''The New York Times'' (New York).</ref>	+	Because of this speech Tolkien is one of several prominent writers and linguists to whom the phrase is often erroneously attributed.<ref>Graeme Green, '[http://news.scotsman.com/lordoftherings/A-cellar-door-to-the.2487132.jp A cellar door to the soul]'. Updated 2003-12-15. Retrieved 2010-10-17.</ref><ref>Dan Kois. [http://www.salon.com/entertainment/movies/feature/2004/07/23/darko/index.html Everything you were afraid to ask about "Donnie Darko"]. Updated 2004-07-23. Retrieved 2010-10-17.</ref> In fact the 'cellar door' aphorism was in circulation for at least fifty years before Tolkien used it – the first published instance being in a 1903 novel ''Gee Boy'' by Cyrus Hooper, and even there it is implied the phrase came from another source.<ref>Grant Barrett (11 February 2010). '[http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/magazine/14FOB-onlanguage-t.html?_r=1 On Language - Cellar Door]'. ''The New York Times'' (New York).</ref>

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Aule the Smith: This should serve to proof we're not pulling that assertion out of nowhere though

2010-08-17T07:43:23Z

This should serve to proof we're not pulling that assertion out of nowhere though

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	In his 1955 valedictory address ''[[English and Welsh]]'', [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] mentioned '''cellar door''' as a combination of English words having an especially beautiful sound independent of their meaning (i.e. purely [[wikipedia:Phonaesthetics\|phonaesthetically]] beautiful):		In his 1955 valedictory address ''[[English and Welsh]]'', [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] mentioned '''cellar door''' as a combination of English words having an especially beautiful sound independent of their meaning (i.e. purely [[wikipedia:Phonaesthetics\|phonaesthetically]] beautiful):
	{{blockquote\|Most English-speaking people ... will admit that cellar door is 'beautiful', especially if dissociated from its sense (and from its spelling). More beautiful than, say, sky, and far more beautiful than beautiful</span>. Well then, in Welsh for me cellar doors are extraordinarily frequent, and moving to the higher dimension, the words in which there is pleasure in the contemplation of the association of form and sense are abundant.}}		{{blockquote\|Most English-speaking people ... will admit that cellar door is 'beautiful', especially if dissociated from its sense (and from its spelling). More beautiful than, say, sky, and far more beautiful than beautiful</span>. Well then, in Welsh for me cellar doors are extraordinarily frequent, and moving to the higher dimension, the words in which there is pleasure in the contemplation of the association of form and sense are abundant.}}
−	Because of this speech Tolkien is one of several prominent writers and linguists to whom the phrase is erroneously attributed. In fact the 'cellar door' aphorism was in circulation for at least fifty years before Tolkien used it – the first published instance being in a 1903 novel ''Gee Boy'' by Cyrus Hooper, and even there it is implied the phrase came from another source.<ref>Barrett~~, Grant~~ (11 February 2010). '[http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/magazine/14FOB-onlanguage-t.html?_r=1 On Language - Cellar Door]'. ''The New York Times'' (New York).</ref>	+	Because of this speech Tolkien is one of several prominent writers and linguists to whom the phrase is often erroneously attributed.<ref>Graeme Green, '[http://news.scotsman.com/lordoftherings/A-cellar-door-to-the.2487132.jp A cellar door to the soul]]'. Updated 2003-12-15. Retrieved 2010-10-17.</ref><ref>Dan Kois. [http://www.salon.com/entertainment/movies/feature/2004/07/23/darko/index.html Everything you were afraid to ask about "Donnie Darko"]. Updated 2004-07-23. Retrieved 2010-10-17.</ref> In fact the 'cellar door' aphorism was in circulation for at least fifty years before Tolkien used it – the first published instance being in a 1903 novel ''Gee Boy'' by Cyrus Hooper, and even there it is implied the phrase came from another source.<ref>Grant Barrett (11 February 2010). '[http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/magazine/14FOB-onlanguage-t.html?_r=1 On Language - Cellar Door]'. ''The New York Times'' (New York).</ref>

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Aule the Smith: Undo revision 121235 by Morgan (Talk) - actually in the DVD commentary the director names the famous linguist as Edgar Allen Poe, if memory serves

2010-08-17T07:29:42Z

Undo revision 121235 by Morgan (Talk) - actually in the DVD commentary the director names the famous linguist as Edgar Allen Poe, if memory serves

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	In his 1955 valedictory address ''[[English and Welsh]]'', [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] mentioned '''cellar door''' as a combination of English words having an especially beautiful sound independent of their meaning (i.e. purely [[wikipedia:Phonaesthetics\|phonaesthetically]] beautiful):		In his 1955 valedictory address ''[[English and Welsh]]'', [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] mentioned '''cellar door''' as a combination of English words having an especially beautiful sound independent of their meaning (i.e. purely [[wikipedia:Phonaesthetics\|phonaesthetically]] beautiful):
	{{blockquote\|Most English-speaking people ... will admit that cellar door is 'beautiful', especially if dissociated from its sense (and from its spelling). More beautiful than, say, sky, and far more beautiful than beautiful</span>. Well then, in Welsh for me cellar doors are extraordinarily frequent, and moving to the higher dimension, the words in which there is pleasure in the contemplation of the association of form and sense are abundant.}}		{{blockquote\|Most English-speaking people ... will admit that cellar door is 'beautiful', especially if dissociated from its sense (and from its spelling). More beautiful than, say, sky, and far more beautiful than beautiful</span>. Well then, in Welsh for me cellar doors are extraordinarily frequent, and moving to the higher dimension, the words in which there is pleasure in the contemplation of the association of form and sense are abundant.}}
−	Because of this speech Tolkien is one of several prominent writers and linguists to whom the phrase is erroneously attributed ~~(see [[Tolkien's works in popular media#Donnie Darko\|''Donnie Darko'']])~~. In fact the 'cellar door' aphorism was in circulation for at least fifty years before Tolkien used it – the first published instance being in a 1903 novel ''Gee Boy'' by Cyrus Hooper, and even there it is implied the phrase came from another source.<ref>Barrett, Grant (11 February 2010). '[http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/magazine/14FOB-onlanguage-t.html?_r=1 On Language - Cellar Door]'. ''The New York Times'' (New York).</ref>	+	Because of this speech Tolkien is one of several prominent writers and linguists to whom the phrase is erroneously attributed. In fact the 'cellar door' aphorism was in circulation for at least fifty years before Tolkien used it – the first published instance being in a 1903 novel ''Gee Boy'' by Cyrus Hooper, and even there it is implied the phrase came from another source.<ref>Barrett, Grant (11 February 2010). '[http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/magazine/14FOB-onlanguage-t.html?_r=1 On Language - Cellar Door]'. ''The New York Times'' (New York).</ref>

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Morgan: Internal link which I think should still be here, since "famous linguist" clearly attributes the phrase to Tolkien (even if erroneously)

2010-08-16T22:19:33Z

Internal link which I think should still be here, since "famous linguist" clearly attributes the phrase to Tolkien (even if erroneously)

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	In his 1955 valedictory address ''[[English and Welsh]]'', [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] mentioned '''cellar door''' as a combination of English words having an especially beautiful sound independent of their meaning (i.e. purely [[wikipedia:Phonaesthetics\|phonaesthetically]] beautiful):		In his 1955 valedictory address ''[[English and Welsh]]'', [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] mentioned '''cellar door''' as a combination of English words having an especially beautiful sound independent of their meaning (i.e. purely [[wikipedia:Phonaesthetics\|phonaesthetically]] beautiful):
	{{blockquote\|Most English-speaking people ... will admit that cellar door is 'beautiful', especially if dissociated from its sense (and from its spelling). More beautiful than, say, sky, and far more beautiful than beautiful</span>. Well then, in Welsh for me cellar doors are extraordinarily frequent, and moving to the higher dimension, the words in which there is pleasure in the contemplation of the association of form and sense are abundant.}}		{{blockquote\|Most English-speaking people ... will admit that cellar door is 'beautiful', especially if dissociated from its sense (and from its spelling). More beautiful than, say, sky, and far more beautiful than beautiful</span>. Well then, in Welsh for me cellar doors are extraordinarily frequent, and moving to the higher dimension, the words in which there is pleasure in the contemplation of the association of form and sense are abundant.}}
−	Because of this speech Tolkien is one of several prominent writers and linguists to whom the phrase is erroneously attributed. In fact the 'cellar door' aphorism was in circulation for at least fifty years before Tolkien used it – the first published instance being in a 1903 novel ''Gee Boy'' by Cyrus Hooper, and even there it is implied the phrase came from another source.<ref>Barrett, Grant (11 February 2010). '[http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/magazine/14FOB-onlanguage-t.html?_r=1 On Language - Cellar Door]'. ''The New York Times'' (New York).</ref>	+	Because of this speech Tolkien is one of several prominent writers and linguists to whom the phrase is erroneously attributed (see [[Tolkien's works in popular media#Donnie Darko\|''Donnie Darko'']]). In fact the 'cellar door' aphorism was in circulation for at least fifty years before Tolkien used it – the first published instance being in a 1903 novel ''Gee Boy'' by Cyrus Hooper, and even there it is implied the phrase came from another source.<ref>Barrett, Grant (11 February 2010). '[http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/magazine/14FOB-onlanguage-t.html?_r=1 On Language - Cellar Door]'. ''The New York Times'' (New York).</ref>

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Aule the Smith at 20:26, 11 August 2010

2010-08-11T20:26:44Z

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	In his 1955 valedictory address ''[[English and Welsh]]'', [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] mentioned '''cellar door''' as a combination of English words having an especially beautiful sound independent of their meaning (i.e. purely [[wikipedia:Phonaesthetics\|phonaesthetically]] beautiful):		In his 1955 valedictory address ''[[English and Welsh]]'', [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] mentioned '''cellar door''' as a combination of English words having an especially beautiful sound independent of their meaning (i.e. purely [[wikipedia:Phonaesthetics\|phonaesthetically]] beautiful):
	{{blockquote\|Most English-speaking people ... will admit that cellar door is 'beautiful', especially if dissociated from its sense (and from its spelling). More beautiful than, say, sky, and far more beautiful than beautiful</span>. Well then, in Welsh for me cellar doors are extraordinarily frequent, and moving to the higher dimension, the words in which there is pleasure in the contemplation of the association of form and sense are abundant.}}		{{blockquote\|Most English-speaking people ... will admit that cellar door is 'beautiful', especially if dissociated from its sense (and from its spelling). More beautiful than, say, sky, and far more beautiful than beautiful</span>. Well then, in Welsh for me cellar doors are extraordinarily frequent, and moving to the higher dimension, the words in which there is pleasure in the contemplation of the association of form and sense are abundant.}}
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	Because of this speech Tolkien is one of several prominent writers and linguists to whom the phrase is erroneously attributed. In fact the 'cellar door' aphorism was in circulation for at least fifty years before Tolkien used it – the first published instance being in a 1903 novel ''Gee Boy'' by Cyrus Hooper, and even there it is implied the phrase came from another source.<ref>Barrett, Grant (11 February 2010). '[http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/magazine/14FOB-onlanguage-t.html?_r=1 On Language - Cellar Door]'. ''The New York Times'' (New York).</ref>		Because of this speech Tolkien is one of several prominent writers and linguists to whom the phrase is erroneously attributed. In fact the 'cellar door' aphorism was in circulation for at least fifty years before Tolkien used it – the first published instance being in a 1903 novel ''Gee Boy'' by Cyrus Hooper, and even there it is implied the phrase came from another source.<ref>Barrett, Grant (11 February 2010). '[http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/magazine/14FOB-onlanguage-t.html?_r=1 On Language - Cellar Door]'. ''The New York Times'' (New York).</ref>

Aule the Smith: Most of this is inaccurate, unfortunately - cut down to just the pertinent facts w/ a link to wikipedia for more

2010-08-11T20:24:39Z

Most of this is inaccurate, unfortunately - cut down to just the pertinent facts w/ a link to wikipedia for more

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−	''~~'Cellar door'~~'' ~~is a combination of words in the English language once characterized by~~ [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] ~~to have~~ an especially beautiful sound. ~~In his 1955 essay "~~[[English and Welsh~~]]"~~, ~~commenting on his affection towards~~ the ~~Welsh language~~, ~~Tolkien wrote:~~	+	In his 1955 valedictory address ''[[English and Welsh]]'', [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] mentioned '''cellar door''' as a combination of English words having an especially beautiful sound independent of their meaning (i.e. purely [[wikipedia:Phonaesthetics\|phonaesthetically]] beautiful):
		+	{{blockquote\|Most English-speaking people ... will admit that cellar door is 'beautiful', especially if dissociated from its sense (and from its spelling). More beautiful than, say, sky, and far more beautiful than beautiful</span>. Well then, in Welsh for me cellar doors are extraordinarily frequent, and moving to the higher dimension, the words in which there is pleasure in the contemplation of the association of form and sense are abundant.}}

−	~~: "Most English-speaking people~~.~~..will admit that '~~'cellar door'' is '~~beautiful~~', ~~especially if dissociated~~ from ~~its sense~~ (~~and from its spelling~~). ~~More beautiful than, say, ''sky'', and far more beautiful than ''beautiful~~''. ~~Well then, in Welsh for me~~ ''~~cellar doors~~'' ~~are extraordinarily frequent, and moving to the higher dimension, the words in which there is pleasure in the contemplation of the association of form and sense are abundant~~."	+	Because of this speech Tolkien is one of several prominent writers and linguists to whom the phrase is erroneously attributed. In fact the 'cellar door' aphorism was in circulation for at least fifty years before Tolkien used it – the first published instance being in a 1903 novel ''Gee Boy'' by Cyrus Hooper, and even there it is implied the phrase came from another source.<ref>Barrett, Grant (11 February 2010). '[http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/magazine/14FOB-onlanguage-t.html?_r=1 On Language - Cellar Door]'. ''The New York Times'' (New York).</ref>

−	Tolkien's discourse is the most likely origin of this concept and the only documented one. Nonetheless, this phrase has been subject to a legendary degree of misattribution. In common circulation, this pronouncement is commonly attributed to "a famous linguist". (It may be noted that J. R. R. Tolkien, while more commonly noted as an author, was also a linguist.) It has also been mistakenly attributed to Edgar Allan Poe, Dorothy Parker, and Robert Frost although no such texts have surfaced. (Dorothy Parker is also quoted as saying that the most beautiful words in the language are "cheque enclosed.") The most detailed account alludes to a survey, possibly conducted around the 1940s, probing the word in the English language generally thought to be the most beautiful. Contributing to this survey, American writer H. L. Mencken supposedly claimed that a Chinese student, who knew little or no English, especially liked the phrase ''cellar door'' - not for what it meant, but rather for how it sounded. Some accounts describe the immigrant as Italian rather than Chinese. Another account suggests that it is a mispronunciation of the French words ''C'est de l'or'', which can be translated as "It is gold".	+	{{references}}
		+	==External Links==
		+	* [[wikipedia:Cellar door\|Cellar door]] at Wikipedia.

−	The phrase is also introduced in the 2001 film ''Donnie Darko'', in which the character Karen Pomeroy (played by Drew Barrymore), a literature teacher, states: "A famous linguist once said that of all the phrases in the English language, of all the endless combinations of words, that ''cellar door'' was the most beautiful." In the DVD commentary, director Richard Kelly vaguely (and mistakenly) attributes this remark to Edgar Allan Poe.
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−	~~==Other==~~
−	* In earlier stages of the geealogical table, there was a ''Celador'' in the [[Brandybuck Family]].
−	* The production company that created the television game show ''Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?'' is called "Celador", which is Spanish for "Watchman".
−	* The cover of Stephen King's ''On Writing'' is a photograph of a cellar door.
−	* The phrase ''Cellar door'' is also used to refer to the point where tourism meets winemaking — a shop at a winery that allows visitors to taste and buy the wine made there or using grapes from that area.
−	* Monty Python's "Woody and Tinny Words" sketch finds humor in the pure sounds of English words and their inherent beauty or ugliness.
−	* In Larry Niven's ''A World Out of Time'', the city that the protagonist wakes up in, after 240 years of cryogenic sleep, is called Selerdor.
−	* Also see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inherently_funny_word Inherently funny words].
−	* Appears in Neil Young's "The Needle and the Damage Done"
−	* The phrase is also used in the song "Angelsea" by Cat Stevens.
−	* A 1970 Miles Davis album is entitled "The Cellar Door Sessions", also featuring Keith Jarrett. It was recorded on December 16-19 at a club in Washington, DC.
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−	~~==See also==~~
−	*[[Tolkien's works in popular media#Donnie Darko]]
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Morgan at 14:42, 1 August 2010

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	==See also==		==See also==
−	*[[Tolkien's works in popular media#Donnie Darko]]]	+	*[[Tolkien's works in popular media#Donnie Darko]]
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Morgan at 14:41, 1 August 2010

2010-08-01T14:41:36Z

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	* The phrase is also used in the song "Angelsea" by Cat Stevens.		* The phrase is also used in the song "Angelsea" by Cat Stevens.
	* A 1970 Miles Davis album is entitled "The Cellar Door Sessions", also featuring Keith Jarrett. It was recorded on December 16-19 at a club in Washington, DC.		* A 1970 Miles Davis album is entitled "The Cellar Door Sessions", also featuring Keith Jarrett. It was recorded on December 16-19 at a club in Washington, DC.
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		+	==See also==
		+	*[[Tolkien's works in popular media#Donnie Darko]]]
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Ederchil: exp, linkage

2008-03-17T14:41:57Z

exp, linkage

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	: "Most English-speaking people...will admit that ''cellar door'' is 'beautiful', especially if dissociated from its sense (and from its spelling). More beautiful than, say, ''sky'', and far more beautiful than ''beautiful''. Well then, in Welsh for me ''cellar doors'' are extraordinarily frequent, and moving to the higher dimension, the words in which there is pleasure in the contemplation of the association of form and sense are abundant."		: "Most English-speaking people...will admit that ''cellar door'' is 'beautiful', especially if dissociated from its sense (and from its spelling). More beautiful than, say, ''sky'', and far more beautiful than ''beautiful''. Well then, in Welsh for me ''cellar doors'' are extraordinarily frequent, and moving to the higher dimension, the words in which there is pleasure in the contemplation of the association of form and sense are abundant."

−	Tolkien's discourse is the most likely origin of this concept and the only documented one. Nonetheless, this phrase has been subject to a legendary degree of misattribution. In common circulation, this pronouncement is commonly attributed to "a famous linguist". (It may be noted that J. R. R. Tolkien, while more commonly noted as an author, was also a linguist.) It has also been mistakenly attributed to Edgar Allan Poe, Dorothy Parker, and Robert Frost although no such texts have surfaced. (Dorothy Parker is also quoted as saying that the most beautiful words in the language are "cheque enclosed.") The most detailed account alludes to a survey, possibly conducted around the 1940s, probing the word in the English language generally thought to be the most beautiful. Contributing to this survey, American writer H. L. Mencken supposedly claimed that a Chinese student, who knew little or no English, especially liked the phrase ''cellar door'' ~~—~~ not for what it meant, but rather for how it sounded. Some accounts describe the immigrant as ~~[[Italy\|~~Italian]] rather than Chinese. Another account suggests that it is a mispronunciation of the French words ''C'est de l'or'', which can be translated as "It is gold".	+	Tolkien's discourse is the most likely origin of this concept and the only documented one. Nonetheless, this phrase has been subject to a legendary degree of misattribution. In common circulation, this pronouncement is commonly attributed to "a famous linguist". (It may be noted that J. R. R. Tolkien, while more commonly noted as an author, was also a linguist.) It has also been mistakenly attributed to Edgar Allan Poe, Dorothy Parker, and Robert Frost although no such texts have surfaced. (Dorothy Parker is also quoted as saying that the most beautiful words in the language are "cheque enclosed.") The most detailed account alludes to a survey, possibly conducted around the 1940s, probing the word in the English language generally thought to be the most beautiful. Contributing to this survey, American writer H. L. Mencken supposedly claimed that a Chinese student, who knew little or no English, especially liked the phrase ''cellar door'' - not for what it meant, but rather for how it sounded. Some accounts describe the immigrant as Italian rather than Chinese. Another account suggests that it is a mispronunciation of the French words ''C'est de l'or'', which can be translated as "It is gold".

	The phrase is also introduced in the 2001 film ''Donnie Darko'', in which the character Karen Pomeroy (played by Drew Barrymore), a literature teacher, states: "A famous linguist once said that of all the phrases in the English language, of all the endless combinations of words, that ''cellar door'' was the most beautiful." In the DVD commentary, director Richard Kelly vaguely (and mistakenly) attributes this remark to Edgar Allan Poe.		The phrase is also introduced in the 2001 film ''Donnie Darko'', in which the character Karen Pomeroy (played by Drew Barrymore), a literature teacher, states: "A famous linguist once said that of all the phrases in the English language, of all the endless combinations of words, that ''cellar door'' was the most beautiful." In the DVD commentary, director Richard Kelly vaguely (and mistakenly) attributes this remark to Edgar Allan Poe.

	==Other==		==Other==
−	*The production company that created the television game show ''Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?'' is called "Celador", which is Spanish for "Watchman".	+	* In earlier stages of the geealogical table, there was a ''Celador'' in the [[Brandybuck Family]].
−	*The cover of Stephen King's ''On Writing'' is a photograph of a cellar door.	+	* The production company that created the television game show ''Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?'' is called "Celador", which is Spanish for "Watchman".
−	*The phrase ''Cellar door'' is also used to refer to the point where tourism meets winemaking — a shop at a winery that allows visitors to taste and buy the wine made there or using grapes from that area.	+	* The cover of Stephen King's ''On Writing'' is a photograph of a cellar door.
		+	* The phrase ''Cellar door'' is also used to refer to the point where tourism meets winemaking — a shop at a winery that allows visitors to taste and buy the wine made there or using grapes from that area.
	* Monty Python's "Woody and Tinny Words" sketch finds humor in the pure sounds of English words and their inherent beauty or ugliness.		* Monty Python's "Woody and Tinny Words" sketch finds humor in the pure sounds of English words and their inherent beauty or ugliness.
	* In Larry Niven's ''A World Out of Time'', the city that the protagonist wakes up in, after 240 years of cryogenic sleep, is called Selerdor.		* In Larry Niven's ''A World Out of Time'', the city that the protagonist wakes up in, after 240 years of cryogenic sleep, is called Selerdor.
−	* Also see Inherently funny words.	+	* Also see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inherently_funny_word Inherently funny words].
	* Appears in Neil Young's "The Needle and the Damage Done"		* Appears in Neil Young's "The Needle and the Damage Done"
	* The phrase is also used in the song "Angelsea" by Cat Stevens.		* The phrase is also used in the song "Angelsea" by Cat Stevens.
	* A 1970 Miles Davis album is entitled "The Cellar Door Sessions", also featuring Keith Jarrett. It was recorded on December 16-19 at a club in Washington, DC.		* A 1970 Miles Davis album is entitled "The Cellar Door Sessions", also featuring Keith Jarrett. It was recorded on December 16-19 at a club in Washington, DC.