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−	[[Howard Shore]]'s soundtrack to ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The ~~Motion Picture Trilogy]]~~'' has been compared to Wagner's music of ''Der Ring des Nibelungen''. Employing [[wikipedia:Musical analysis\|harmonic analysis]], Shore can be shown managing to "[summon] up a Wagnerian atmosphere without copying the original" by using a similar structure of chords, especially in the dramatically intense scenes of the films.<ref>Alex Ross, "[http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2003/12/22/031222crat_atlarge?currentPage=1#ixzz0uWWEbKTn The Ring and the Rings: Wagner vs. Tolkien]", in ''The New Yorker'', December 22, 2003</ref>	+	[[Howard Shore]]'s soundtrack to [[The Lord of the Rings (film series)\|''The Lord of the Rings'' (film series)]] has been compared to Wagner's music of ''Der Ring des Nibelungen''. Employing [[wikipedia:Musical analysis\|harmonic analysis]], Shore can be shown managing to "[summon] up a Wagnerian atmosphere without copying the original" by using a similar structure of chords, especially in the dramatically intense scenes of the films.<ref>Alex Ross, "[http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2003/12/22/031222crat_atlarge?currentPage=1#ixzz0uWWEbKTn The Ring and the Rings: Wagner vs. Tolkien]", in ''The New Yorker'', December 22, 2003</ref>

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	However, Tolkien himself denied that he had been inspired by Wagner's work, saying that "Both rings were round, and there the resemblance ceases."<ref>{{l\|229}}</ref> Some similarities arise because Tolkien and Wagner both drew upon the same source material for inspiration, including the ''[[Völsungasaga]]'' and the ''[[Poetic Edda]]''. However, several researchers posit that both authors draw upon many of the same sources but Tolkien was indebted to some of the original developments, insights and artistic uses made of those in Wagner, such as the ring giving to its owner mastery of the world and its corrupting influence upon the minds and wills of its possessors.<ref>Edward R. Haymes , [http://journal.oraltradition.org/authors/show/247 Oral Tradition Journal] at Center for Studies in Oral Tradition</ref><ref> Edward R. Haymes , [http://de-vagaesemhybrazil.blogspot.com/2008/12/two-rings-tolkien-and-wagner-dc-before.html The Two Rings (14 January 2004)]</ref>		However, Tolkien himself denied that he had been inspired by Wagner's work, saying that "Both rings were round, and there the resemblance ceases."<ref>{{l\|229}}</ref> Some similarities arise because Tolkien and Wagner both drew upon the same source material for inspiration, including the ''[[Völsungasaga]]'' and the ''[[Poetic Edda]]''. However, several researchers posit that both authors draw upon many of the same sources but Tolkien was indebted to some of the original developments, insights and artistic uses made of those in Wagner, such as the ring giving to its owner mastery of the world and its corrupting influence upon the minds and wills of its possessors.<ref>Edward R. Haymes , [http://journal.oraltradition.org/authors/show/247 Oral Tradition Journal] at Center for Studies in Oral Tradition</ref><ref> Edward R. Haymes , [http://de-vagaesemhybrazil.blogspot.com/2008/12/two-rings-tolkien-and-wagner-dc-before.html The Two Rings (14 January 2004)]</ref>

−	There is evidence that Tolkien's denial of a relationship between his Ring and Nibelungen Ring "was an overreaction to the statements of" [[Åke Ohlmarks]] (one of Tolkien's Swedish translators), in his introduction to ''[[Härskarringen]]'', his much criticized translation of ''Lord of the Rings'', that Tolkien "mixed material from various legends, some of which mention no ring and one that concerns a totally different ring." Tolkien was infuriated by this statement and used the oft quoted "one sentence rebuttal"<ref>Stan Brown, [http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/ringfaq.htm#Q1-Wagner How did the One Ring compare to Wagner's Ring of the Nibelung?], at Frequently Asked Questions about the Rings of Power, Oak Road Systems</ref> ~~that "wasn't strictly accurate".~~<ref>Various authors, [http://forums.theonering.com/viewtopic.php?t=78519 LOTR a retelling of another story??] on [http://www.theonering.com/ The One Ring forums]</ref><ref>Various authors, [http://forums.theonering.com/viewtopic.php?t=63774 Tolkien views on Wagner], at [http://www.theonering.com/ The One Ring forums]</ref><ref>David P. Goldman, [http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/EA11Aa02.html The 'Ring' and the remnants of the West] , at Asia Times Online, 11 Jan 2003</ref><ref> David P. Goldman , [http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/ID24Aa01.html Tolkien's Christianity and the pagan tragedy], at Asia Times Online, 24 Apr 2007</ref>	+	There is evidence that Tolkien's denial of a relationship between his Ring and Nibelungen Ring "was an overreaction to the statements of" [[Åke Ohlmarks]] (one of Tolkien's Swedish translators), in his introduction to ''[[Härskarringen]]'', his much criticized translation of ''Lord of the Rings'', that Tolkien "mixed material from various legends, some of which mention no ring and one that concerns a totally different ring." Tolkien was infuriated by this statement and used the oft quoted "one sentence rebuttal"<ref>{{L\|229}}, "Both rings were round, and there the resemblance ceases."</ref> but that "wasn't strictly accurate".<ref>Stan Brown, [http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/ringfaq.htm#Q1-Wagner How did the One Ring compare to Wagner's Ring of the Nibelung?], at Frequently Asked Questions about the Rings of Power, Oak Road Systems</ref><ref>Various authors, [http://forums.theonering.com/viewtopic.php?t=78519 LOTR a retelling of another story??] on [http://www.theonering.com/ The One Ring forums]</ref><ref>Various authors, [http://forums.theonering.com/viewtopic.php?t=63774 Tolkien views on Wagner], at [http://www.theonering.com/ The One Ring forums]</ref><ref>David P. Goldman, [http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/EA11Aa02.html The 'Ring' and the remnants of the West] , at Asia Times Online, 11 Jan 2003</ref><ref> David P. Goldman , [http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/ID24Aa01.html Tolkien's Christianity and the pagan tragedy], at Asia Times Online, 24 Apr 2007</ref>

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