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'''Dor Firn-i-Guinar''', the '''Land of the Dead that Live''', was the name given by the [[Eldar]] to the region surrounding the isle of [[Tol Galen]] in southern [[Ossiriand]], where [[Beren]] and [[Lúthien]] lived after their return from the dead.<ref>{{S|20}}</ref> It is told that the country was exceptionally beautiful, even reminding of the blessed land of [[Valinor]].<ref>{{S|22}}</ref>
  
'''Dor Firn-i-Chuinar''' was a place on [[Tol Galen]] in the southern lands of [[Ossiriand]] where [[Beren|Beren Erchamion]] and [[Lúthien Tinúviel]] lived after their return from the dead.
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==Etymology==
  
At the ending of the [[Quest for the Silmaril]], Beren met his death at the jaws of the great wolf [[Carcharoth]]. So great was Lúthien's love of him, though, that she surrendered her own immortality so that he might return to [[Middle-earth]] for a time.
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''Dor Firn-i-Guinar'' is the name appearing in the published ''[[The Silmarillion|Silmarillion]]'',<ref>{{S|Index}}</ref> apparently consisting of the [[Sindarin]] elements ''[[dor]]'' "land" + ''[[firn]]'' "dead" + ''[[in]]'' "who, that" + ''[[cuinar]]'' "live".<ref name=Tolkiendil>[http://www.tolkiendil.com/langues/english/i-lam_arth/compound_sindarin_names Compound Sindarin Names in Middle-earth] at [http://www.tolkiendil.com Tolkiendil.com] (accessed 10 November 2011)</ref>
  
They returned out of the [[Halls of Waiting]] and they lived in a Land of the Dead that Live, or '''Dor Firn-i-Chuinar''' in the Elven tongue.
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In his manuscripts, [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]] experimented with many variations on how to translate ''Land of the Dead that Live'': ''I·Cuilwarthon'', ''I·Guilwarthon'', ''Cuilwarthien'', ''Gwerth-i-cuina'', and ''Gwerth-i-guinar''.<ref>{{HM|IX}} (entries for ''Land of the Dead that Live'')</ref> In a [[1972]] letter, Tolkien used the name ''Dor Gyrth i chuinar''.<ref>{{L|332}}, p. 417</ref>
  
No mortal Man saw Beren or Lúthien ever again, but they had happy relations with the [[Green-elves]] of Ossiriand who lived around them. After the slaying of Lúthien's father [[Thingol]], Beren took a force of Green-elves north to avenge his death, and recover the stolen [[Silmarils|Silmaril]].
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From that time, the Silmaril was kept in Dor Firn-i-Chuinar and borne by Lúthien, and that land was said to become 'like a vision of the land of the Valar'. [[Dior Eluchíl|Dior]], the son of Beren and Lúthien, then left Dor Firn-i-Chuinar with his family, and went to take up the rule his lost grandfather's kingdom of Doriath.
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Both Beren and Lúthien were now mortal, and at last their lives came to an end, and with them their Land. A lord of the Green-elves took the Silmaril, and brought it to their heir, Dior, in Doriath.
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==Etymology==
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Tolkien mentions this land with the name ''Dor Gyrth i chuinar'' in [[Letter 332]] ([[January 24]], [[1972]]) and in a much later letter of 1972, as ''Dor Firn i Chuinar''. However, ''[[The  Silmarillion]]'' gives the name as ''Dor Firn i Guinar''. Since the initial ch- fits with the rules of plural mutation, it seems that ''Guinar'' in the Silmarillion is a mistake.
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Dor Firn-i-Guinar
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Dor Firn-i-Guinar, the Land of the Dead that Live, was the name given by the Eldar to the region surrounding the isle of Tol Galen in southern Ossiriand, where Beren and Lúthien lived after their return from the dead.[1] It is told that the country was exceptionally beautiful, even reminding of the blessed land of Valinor.[2]

[edit] Etymology

Dor Firn-i-Guinar is the name appearing in the published Silmarillion,[3] apparently consisting of the Sindarin elements dor "land" + firn "dead" + in "who, that" + cuinar "live".[4]

In his manuscripts, Tolkien experimented with many variations on how to translate Land of the Dead that Live: I·Cuilwarthon, I·Guilwarthon, Cuilwarthien, Gwerth-i-cuina, and Gwerth-i-guinar.[5] In a 1972 letter, Tolkien used the name Dor Gyrth i chuinar.[6]

[edit] References

  1. J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The Silmarillion, "Quenta Silmarillion: Of the Fifth Battle: Nirnaeth Arnoediad"
  2. J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The Silmarillion, "Quenta Silmarillion: Of the Ruin of Doriath"
  3. J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The Silmarillion, "Index of Names"
  4. Compound Sindarin Names in Middle-earth at Tolkiendil.com (accessed 10 November 2011)
  5. J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The History of Middle-earth Index (entries for Land of the Dead that Live)
  6. J.R.R. Tolkien; Humphrey Carpenter, Christopher Tolkien (eds.), The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, Letter 332, (dated 24 January 1972), p. 417