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Sage: /* Etymology */

2013-03-20T08:38:51Z

Etymology

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	==Etymology==		==Etymology==
−	The name is [[Sindarin]] meaning "Land of Gwinion", whereas Gwinion itself is a name of a country meaning "Young-land"; from ''[[dor]]'' and ''[[gwain]]'' plus the geographical ending ''[[-iond]]''.<ref name=PE17>{{PE\|17}}, p. 54</ref>	+	The name is [[Sindarin]] meaning "Land of Gwinion", whereas Gwinion itself is a name of a country meaning "Young-land"; from ''[[dor]]'' and ''[[gwain]]'' plus the geographical ending ''[[-nd\|-iond]]''.<ref name=PE17>{{PE\|17}}, p. 54</ref>

	[[Tolkien]] commented that the [[Elvish]] name in such a remote location is a "testimony to the spread of Sindarin".<ref>{{HM\|HH}}</ref>		[[Tolkien]] commented that the [[Elvish]] name in such a remote location is a "testimony to the spread of Sindarin".<ref>{{HM\|HH}}</ref>

−	Before the publication of [[Parma Eldalamberon 17]], it had been suggested by [[Tolkienist]]s that the name may come from an [[Avarin]] or [[Nandorin]] tongue. [[Didier Willis]] speculated that the element ''-Winion'' apparently meant "wine", without any probable origin in any known etymology;<ref>[[Didier Willis]], [http://www.jrrvf.com/hisweloke/site3/articles.php?lng=fr&pg=36 Dorwinion, pays de cépages]</ref> ~~thus pointing to an obscure origin.~~	+	Before the publication of [[Parma Eldalamberon 17]], it had been suggested by [[Tolkienist]]s that the name may come from an [[Avarin]] or [[Nandorin]] tongue. [[Didier Willis]] speculated that the element ''-Winion'' apparently meant "wine", without any probable origin in any known etymology.<ref>[[Didier Willis]], [http://www.jrrvf.com/hisweloke/site3/articles.php?lng=fr&pg=36 Dorwinion, pays de cépages]</ref>

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Sage: /* Etymology */

2012-10-04T10:17:05Z

Etymology

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	==Etymology==		==Etymology==
−	The name is [[Sindarin]] meaning "Young-land ~~country" (or "Land of Gwinion~~") from ''[[dor]]'' and ''[[gwain]]'' plus the geographical ending ''[[-iond]]'' ~~being a "testimony to the spread of Sindarin" according to [[Tolkien]]~~.~~<ref>{{HM\|HH}}</ref>~~<ref name=PE17>{{PE\|17}}, p. 54</ref>	+	The name is [[Sindarin]] meaning "Land of Gwinion", whereas Gwinion itself is a name of a country meaning "Young-land"; from ''[[dor]]'' and ''[[gwain]]'' plus the geographical ending ''[[-iond]]''.<ref name=PE17>{{PE\|17}}, p. 54</ref>

−	Before the publication of [[Parma Eldalamberon 17]], it had been suggested by [[Tolkienist]]s that the name may come from an [[Avarin]] or [[Nandorin]] tongue. ~~The~~ element ''-Winion'' ~~was understood as~~ apparently ~~meaning~~ "wine", without any probable origin in any known etymology;<ref>[[Didier Willis]], [http://www.jrrvf.com/hisweloke/site3/articles.php?lng=fr&pg=36 Dorwinion, pays de cépages]</ref> thus pointing to an obscure ~~(like Avarin)~~ origin.	+	[[Tolkien]] commented that the [[Elvish]] name in such a remote location is a "testimony to the spread of Sindarin".<ref>{{HM\|HH}}</ref>
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		+	Before the publication of [[Parma Eldalamberon 17]], it had been suggested by [[Tolkienist]]s that the name may come from an [[Avarin]] or [[Nandorin]] tongue. [[Didier Willis]] speculated that the element ''-Winion'' apparently meant "wine", without any probable origin in any known etymology;<ref>[[Didier Willis]], [http://www.jrrvf.com/hisweloke/site3/articles.php?lng=fr&pg=36 Dorwinion, pays de cépages]</ref> thus pointing to an obscure origin.

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Morgan: Wrong interpretation

2012-06-22T09:42:45Z

Wrong interpretation

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	{{Pronounce\|Dorwinion.mp3\|Ardamir}}		{{Pronounce\|Dorwinion.mp3\|Ardamir}}
	{{Pronounce\|Dorwinion2.mp3\|Ardamir}}		{{Pronounce\|Dorwinion2.mp3\|Ardamir}}
−	'''Dorwinion''' or '''Dor-Winion''' was a land which lay on the northwestern shores of the [[Sea of Rhûn]], surrounded by the river [[Celduin]]<ref>[[A Map of Middle-earth]]</ref>. In Dorwinion was made a heady wine, which was strong enough to let even [[Elves]] get drunk and fall asleep.	+	'''Dorwinion''' or '''Dor-Winion''' was a land which lay on the northwestern shores of the [[Sea of Rhûn]], surrounded by the river [[Celduin]].<ref>[[A Map of Middle-earth]]</ref> In Dorwinion was made a heady wine, which was strong enough to let even [[Elves]] get drunk and fall asleep.
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−	Nothing is known about the realm or its inhabitants, were they Elves or Men. Dorwinion may have been the only [[Avari]] realm close to the [[Westlands]] of [[Middle-earth]]. It was already well established while the [[Atanatári]] were still young.{{fact}}	+

	Dorwinion is mentioned as the place where the special wine of the [[Thranduil\|Elven-king]] comes from, and the crates are returned by way of the [[Forest River]] to [[Lake-town]] on [[Long Lake]].<ref>{{H\|9}}</ref>		Dorwinion is mentioned as the place where the special wine of the [[Thranduil\|Elven-king]] comes from, and the crates are returned by way of the [[Forest River]] to [[Lake-town]] on [[Long Lake]].<ref>{{H\|9}}</ref>
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	==Other versions==		==Other versions==
−	''Dor'''v'''inion'' or ''Dor-Winion'' is mentioned by in the ''[[The Lay of the Children of Húrin]]''; its wine was famous among the [[Dwarves of Nogrod]] and [[Menegroth]]. It is said there to lie in the "Burning south" (of [[Beleriand]])<ref>{{LB\|1b}} lines 223, 425</ref>, which might suggest it was a different "Dorwinion", or may just have referred to the fact it came from the more southern lands of [[Rhovanion (region)\|Rhovanion]] by way of the [[Dwarf-road of Beleriand]].	+	''Dor'''v'''inion'' or ''Dor-Winion'' is mentioned in the ''[[The Lay of the Children of Húrin]]''; its wine was famous among the [[Dwarves of Nogrod]] and [[Menegroth]]. It is said there to lie in the "Burning south" (of [[Beleriand]])<ref>{{LB\|1b}} lines 223, 425</ref>, which might suggest it was a different "Dorwinion", or may just have referred to the fact it came from the more southern lands of [[Rhovanion (region)\|Rhovanion]] by way of the [[Dwarf-road of Beleriand]].

	While writing the [[Quenta Silmarillion]], Tolkien once mentioned Dorwinion as a location of [[Tol Eressea]].<ref>{{LR\|Quenta}}, p. 338</ref> Tolkien reused the name and the wines in ''[[The Hobbit]]'', establishing thus that it is somewhere in or near the [[Wilderland]].		While writing the [[Quenta Silmarillion]], Tolkien once mentioned Dorwinion as a location of [[Tol Eressea]].<ref>{{LR\|Quenta}}, p. 338</ref> Tolkien reused the name and the wines in ''[[The Hobbit]]'', establishing thus that it is somewhere in or near the [[Wilderland]].
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−	~~The canonical location was decided at random by [[Pauline Baynes]] while drawing [[A Map of Middle-earth]]. Tolkien was surprised but agreed.<ref>{{LB\|Hurin}}</ref>~~

	{{references}}		{{references}}

Sage: /* Etymology */

2011-12-03T16:45:11Z

Etymology

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	==Etymology==		==Etymology==
−	The name is [[Sindarin]] meaning "Young-land country" (or "Land of Gwinion") from ''[[dor]]'' and ''[[gwain]]'' plus the geographical ending ''[[-iond]]''.<ref>{{HM\|HH}}</ref><ref name=PE17>{{PE\|17}}, p. 54</ref>	+	The name is [[Sindarin]] meaning "Young-land country" (or "Land of Gwinion") from ''[[dor]]'' and ''[[gwain]]'' plus the geographical ending ''[[-iond]]'' being a "testimony to the spread of Sindarin" according to [[Tolkien]].<ref>{{HM\|HH}}</ref><ref name=PE17>{{PE\|17}}, p. 54</ref>

−	~~It has~~ been suggested by [[Tolkienist]]s that the name may ~~not have been Sindarin at all, but~~ come from an [[~~Avari~~]] or [[Nandorin]] tongue. The element ''-Winion'' was understood as apparently meaning "wine", without any probable origin in any known etymology;<ref>[http://www.jrrvf.com/hisweloke/site3/articles.php?lng=fr&pg=36 Dorwinion, pays de cépages]</ref> thus pointing to an obscure (like Avarin) origin. ~~However, [[J.R.R. Tolkien\|Tolkien]] clearly stated that the name was Sindarin, being a "testimony to the spread of Sindarin".<ref name=PE17/>~~	+	Before the publication of [[Parma Eldalamberon 17]], it had been suggested by [[Tolkienist]]s that the name may come from an [[Avarin]] or [[Nandorin]] tongue. The element ''-Winion'' was understood as apparently meaning "wine", without any probable origin in any known etymology;<ref>[[Didier Willis]], [http://www.jrrvf.com/hisweloke/site3/articles.php?lng=fr&pg=36 Dorwinion, pays de cépages]</ref> thus pointing to an obscure (like Avarin) origin.

	==Other versions==		==Other versions==

Sage at 16:03, 3 December 2011

2011-12-03T16:03:32Z

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	{{Pronounce\|Dorwinion.mp3\|Ardamir}}		{{Pronounce\|Dorwinion.mp3\|Ardamir}}
	{{Pronounce\|Dorwinion2.mp3\|Ardamir}}		{{Pronounce\|Dorwinion2.mp3\|Ardamir}}
−	'''Dorwinion''' or '''Dor-Winion''' was a land which lay on the northwestern shores of the [[Sea of Rhûn]]. In Dorwinion was made a heady wine, which was strong enough to let even [[Elves]] get drunk and fall asleep.	+	'''Dorwinion''' or '''Dor-Winion''' was a land which lay on the northwestern shores of the [[Sea of Rhûn]], surrounded by the river [[Celduin]]<ref>[[A Map of Middle-earth]]</ref>. In Dorwinion was made a heady wine, which was strong enough to let even [[Elves]] get drunk and fall asleep.

−	Nothing is known about the realm or its inhabitants, were they Elves or Men. Dorwinion may have been the only [[Avari]] realm close to the [[Westlands]] of [[Middle-earth]]. It was already well established while the [[Atanatári]] were still young.	+	Nothing is known about the realm or its inhabitants, were they Elves or Men. Dorwinion may have been the only [[Avari]] realm close to the [[Westlands]] of [[Middle-earth]]. It was already well established while the [[Atanatári]] were still young.{{fact}}

	Dorwinion is mentioned as the place where the special wine of the [[Thranduil\|Elven-king]] comes from, and the crates are returned by way of the [[Forest River]] to [[Lake-town]] on [[Long Lake]].<ref>{{H\|9}}</ref>		Dorwinion is mentioned as the place where the special wine of the [[Thranduil\|Elven-king]] comes from, and the crates are returned by way of the [[Forest River]] to [[Lake-town]] on [[Long Lake]].<ref>{{H\|9}}</ref>

Mith: Fixed ref location

2011-12-03T11:35:36Z

Fixed ref location

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	\| description=A land of vineyards		\| description=A land of vineyards
	\| events=		\| events=
−	~~\| references=~~	+	}}
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	{{Pronounce\|Dorwinion.mp3\|Ardamir}}		{{Pronounce\|Dorwinion.mp3\|Ardamir}}
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	Nothing is known about the realm or its inhabitants, were they Elves or Men. Dorwinion may have been the only [[Avari]] realm close to the [[Westlands]] of [[Middle-earth]]. It was already well established while the [[Atanatári]] were still young.		Nothing is known about the realm or its inhabitants, were they Elves or Men. Dorwinion may have been the only [[Avari]] realm close to the [[Westlands]] of [[Middle-earth]]. It was already well established while the [[Atanatári]] were still young.

−	Dorwinion is mentioned as the place where the special wine of the [[Thranduil\|~~Elvenking~~]] comes from, and the crates are returned by way of the [[Forest River]] to [[Lake-town]] on [[Long Lake]].<ref>{{H\|9}}</ref>	+	Dorwinion is mentioned as the place where the special wine of the [[Thranduil\|Elven-king]] comes from, and the crates are returned by way of the [[Forest River]] to [[Lake-town]] on [[Long Lake]].<ref>{{H\|9}}</ref>

	==Etymology==		==Etymology==
	The name is [[Sindarin]] meaning "Young-land country" (or "Land of Gwinion") from ''[[dor]]'' and ''[[gwain]]'' plus the geographical ending ''[[-iond]]''.<ref>{{HM\|HH}}</ref><ref name=PE17>{{PE\|17}}, p. 54</ref>		The name is [[Sindarin]] meaning "Young-land country" (or "Land of Gwinion") from ''[[dor]]'' and ''[[gwain]]'' plus the geographical ending ''[[-iond]]''.<ref>{{HM\|HH}}</ref><ref name=PE17>{{PE\|17}}, p. 54</ref>

−	It has been suggested by [[Tolkienist]]s that the name may not have been Sindarin at all, but come from an [[Avari]] or [[Nandorin]] tongue. The element ''-Winion'' was understood as apparently meaning "wine", without any probable origin in any known etymology<ref>[http://www.jrrvf.com/hisweloke/site3/articles.php?lng=fr&pg=36 Dorwinion, pays de cépages]</ref>; thus pointing to an obscure (like Avarin) origin. However, [[J.R.R. Tolkien\|Tolkien]] clearly stated that the name was Sindarin, being a "testimony to the spread of Sindarin".<ref name=PE17/>	+	It has been suggested by [[Tolkienist]]s that the name may not have been Sindarin at all, but come from an [[Avari]] or [[Nandorin]] tongue. The element ''-Winion'' was understood as apparently meaning "wine", without any probable origin in any known etymology;<ref>[http://www.jrrvf.com/hisweloke/site3/articles.php?lng=fr&pg=36 Dorwinion, pays de cépages]</ref> thus pointing to an obscure (like Avarin) origin. However, [[J.R.R. Tolkien\|Tolkien]] clearly stated that the name was Sindarin, being a "testimony to the spread of Sindarin".<ref name=PE17/>

	==Other versions==		==Other versions==
	''Dor'''v'''inion'' or ''Dor-Winion'' is mentioned by in the ''[[The Lay of the Children of Húrin]]''; its wine was famous among the [[Dwarves of Nogrod]] and [[Menegroth]]. It is said there to lie in the "Burning south" (of [[Beleriand]])<ref>{{LB\|1b}} lines 223, 425</ref>, which might suggest it was a different "Dorwinion", or may just have referred to the fact it came from the more southern lands of [[Rhovanion (region)\|Rhovanion]] by way of the [[Dwarf-road of Beleriand]].		''Dor'''v'''inion'' or ''Dor-Winion'' is mentioned by in the ''[[The Lay of the Children of Húrin]]''; its wine was famous among the [[Dwarves of Nogrod]] and [[Menegroth]]. It is said there to lie in the "Burning south" (of [[Beleriand]])<ref>{{LB\|1b}} lines 223, 425</ref>, which might suggest it was a different "Dorwinion", or may just have referred to the fact it came from the more southern lands of [[Rhovanion (region)\|Rhovanion]] by way of the [[Dwarf-road of Beleriand]].

−	While writing the [[Quenta Silmarillion]], Tolkien once mentioned Dorwinion as a location of [[Tol Eressea]]<ref>{{LR\|Quenta}}, p. 338</ref>. Tolkien reused the name and the wines in ''[[The Hobbit]]'', establishing thus that it is somewhere in or near the [[Wilderland]].	+	While writing the [[Quenta Silmarillion]], Tolkien once mentioned Dorwinion as a location of [[Tol Eressea]].<ref>{{LR\|Quenta}}, p. 338</ref> Tolkien reused the name and the wines in ''[[The Hobbit]]'', establishing thus that it is somewhere in or near the [[Wilderland]].

	The canonical location was decided at random by [[Pauline Baynes]] while drawing [[A Map of Middle-earth]]. Tolkien was surprised but agreed.<ref>{{LB\|Hurin}}</ref>		The canonical location was decided at random by [[Pauline Baynes]] while drawing [[A Map of Middle-earth]]. Tolkien was surprised but agreed.<ref>{{LB\|Hurin}}</ref>

91.132.141.80: /* Other versions */

2011-11-26T11:51:16Z

Other versions

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	While writing the [[Quenta Silmarillion]], Tolkien once mentioned Dorwinion as a location of [[Tol Eressea]]<ref>{{LR\|Quenta}}, p. 338</ref>. Tolkien reused the name and the wines in ''[[The Hobbit]]'', establishing thus that it is somewhere in or near the [[Wilderland]].		While writing the [[Quenta Silmarillion]], Tolkien once mentioned Dorwinion as a location of [[Tol Eressea]]<ref>{{LR\|Quenta}}, p. 338</ref>. Tolkien reused the name and the wines in ''[[The Hobbit]]'', establishing thus that it is somewhere in or near the [[Wilderland]].

−	The canonical location was decided at random by [[Pauline Baynes]] while drawing ~~her map of~~ [[Middle-earth]]. Tolkien was surprised but agreed.<ref>{{LB\|Hurin}}</ref>	+	The canonical location was decided at random by [[Pauline Baynes]] while drawing [[A Map of Middle-earth]]. Tolkien was surprised but agreed.<ref>{{LB\|Hurin}}</ref>

	{{references}}		{{references}}

Morgan: /* Etymology */ tweaked + another ref

2011-07-28T22:24:59Z

Etymology: tweaked + another ref

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	==Etymology==		==Etymology==
−	The name is [[Sindarin]] meaning "Young-land country" from ''[[dor]]'' and ''[[gwain]]'' plus the geographical ending ''[[-iond]]''.<ref>~~[[John Rateliff]]~~, ~~''[[The History of The Hobbit]]''~~</ref>	+	The name is [[Sindarin]] meaning "Young-land country" (or "Land of Gwinion") from ''[[dor]]'' and ''[[gwain]]'' plus the geographical ending ''[[-iond]]''.<ref>{{HM\|HH}}</ref><ref name=PE17>{{PE\|17}}, p. 54</ref>

−	It has been suggested by [[Tolkienist]]s that the name may not have been Sindarin at all, but come from an [[Avari]] or [[Nandorin]] tongue. The element ''-Winion'' was understood as apparently meaning "wine", without any probable origin in any known etymology<ref>[http://www.jrrvf.com/hisweloke/site3/articles.php?lng=fr&pg=36 Dorwinion, pays de cépages]</ref>; thus pointing to an obscure (like Avarin) origin.	+	It has been suggested by [[Tolkienist]]s that the name may not have been Sindarin at all, but come from an [[Avari]] or [[Nandorin]] tongue. The element ''-Winion'' was understood as apparently meaning "wine", without any probable origin in any known etymology<ref>[http://www.jrrvf.com/hisweloke/site3/articles.php?lng=fr&pg=36 Dorwinion, pays de cépages]</ref>; thus pointing to an obscure (like Avarin) origin. However, [[J.R.R. Tolkien\|Tolkien]] clearly stated that the name was Sindarin, being a "testimony to the spread of Sindarin".<ref name=PE17/>

	==Other versions==		==Other versions==

Dwarf Lord: added infobox.

2011-03-25T23:50:54Z

added infobox.

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		+	{{location
		+	\| image=
		+	\| name=Dorwinion
		+	\| othernames=
		+	\| etymology=See below
		+	\| type=Region
		+	\| location=On the northwest side of the Sea of Rhûn
		+	\| inhabitants=possibly [[Elves]]
		+	\| realms=
		+	\| description=A land of vineyards
		+	\| events=
		+	\| references=
		+	\|}}
		+
	{{Pronounce\|Dorwinion.mp3\|Ardamir}}		{{Pronounce\|Dorwinion.mp3\|Ardamir}}
	{{Pronounce\|Dorwinion2.mp3\|Ardamir}}		{{Pronounce\|Dorwinion2.mp3\|Ardamir}}

Sage: /* Etymology */

2011-01-27T21:56:23Z

Etymology

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	==Etymology==		==Etymology==
−	The name is [[Sindarin]] meaning "Young-land country" from ''[[dor]]'' and ''[[gwain]]'' plus the geographical ending ''[[-iond]]''.<ref>[[John Rateliff]], ''[[The History of ~~the~~ Hobbit]]''</ref>	+	The name is [[Sindarin]] meaning "Young-land country" from ''[[dor]]'' and ''[[gwain]]'' plus the geographical ending ''[[-iond]]''.<ref>[[John Rateliff]], ''[[The History of The Hobbit]]''</ref>

	It has been suggested by [[Tolkienist]]s that the name may not have been Sindarin at all, but come from an [[Avari]] or [[Nandorin]] tongue. The element ''-Winion'' was understood as apparently meaning "wine", without any probable origin in any known etymology<ref>[http://www.jrrvf.com/hisweloke/site3/articles.php?lng=fr&pg=36 Dorwinion, pays de cépages]</ref>; thus pointing to an obscure (like Avarin) origin.		It has been suggested by [[Tolkienist]]s that the name may not have been Sindarin at all, but come from an [[Avari]] or [[Nandorin]] tongue. The element ''-Winion'' was understood as apparently meaning "wine", without any probable origin in any known etymology<ref>[http://www.jrrvf.com/hisweloke/site3/articles.php?lng=fr&pg=36 Dorwinion, pays de cépages]</ref>; thus pointing to an obscure (like Avarin) origin.