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Trying to think of something more constructive at the moment.  I think the nav boxes for [[Valar]] and [[Maiar]] should be merged into a single [[Ainur]] nav box.  For one thing, they are all Ainur, with the Valar merely being more powerful and in leadership roles.  Also, the status of [[Melkor]] is rather ambiguous, since he was originally a Vala, but became no longer counted as one, suggesting that the Valar is more like an order than a race, and that Melkor was expelled from this order without actually changing who he fundamentally was.  Additionally, there are only so many Ainur overall who have even been documented&mdash;thing of all the Valar and all the Maiar that have ever been named, and how many are there?  Two, three dozen?  Since the Ainur are technically a single race, a single nav box can accommodate them both more efficiently. - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 06:16, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
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Trying to think of something more constructive at the moment.  I think the nav boxes for [[Valar]] and [[Maiar]] should be merged into a single [[Ainur]] nav box.  For one thing, they are all Ainur, with the Valar merely being more powerful and in leadership roles.  Also, the status of [[Melkor]] is rather ambiguous, since he was originally a Vala, but became no longer counted as one, suggesting that the Valar is more like an order than a race, and that Melkor was expelled from this order without actually changing who he fundamentally was.  Additionally, there are only so many Ainur overall who have even been documented&mdash;thing of all the Valar and all the Maiar that have ever been named, and how many are there?  Two, three dozen?  Since the Ainur are technically a single race, a single nav box can accommodate them both more efficiently.  Though of course the list would not be mixed up&mdash;the Valar would be mentioned first, along with Melkor in some capacity (either as former Vala or as Ainu), and the rest of the Maiar mentioned as miscellaneous Ainur (since a Maia is technically any Ainu that is not counted as a Vala). - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 06:18, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

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Trying to think of something more constructive at the moment. I think the nav boxes for Valar and Maiar should be merged into a single Ainur nav box. For one thing, they are all Ainur, with the Valar merely being more powerful and in leadership roles. Also, the status of Melkor is rather ambiguous, since he was originally a Vala, but became no longer counted as one, suggesting that the Valar is more like an order than a race, and that Melkor was expelled from this order without actually changing who he fundamentally was. Additionally, there are only so many Ainur overall who have even been documented—thing of all the Valar and all the Maiar that have ever been named, and how many are there? Two, three dozen? Since the Ainur are technically a single race, a single nav box can accommodate them both more efficiently. Though of course the list would not be mixed up—the Valar would be mentioned first, along with Melkor in some capacity (either as former Vala or as Ainu), and the rest of the Maiar mentioned as miscellaneous Ainur (since a Maia is technically any Ainu that is not counted as a Vala). - Gilgamesh 06:18, 16 February 2010 (UTC)