Forum:Ainur nav box - Revision history

http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forum:Ainur_nav_box&feed=atom&action=history Forum:Ainur nav box - Revision history 2013-05-25T16:10:24Z Revision history for this page on the wiki MediaWiki 1.17.0 http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forum:Ainur_nav_box&diff=189800&oldid=prev KingAragorn Bot: Bot message: re-linked. 2012-03-20T15:40:34Z

<p>Bot message: re-linked.</p> <table style="background-color: white; color:black;"> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr valign='top'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">Revision as of 15:40, 20 March 2012</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 3:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 3:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div></div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div></div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Trying to think of something more constructive at the moment.  I think the nav boxes for [[Valar]] and [[Maiar]] should be merged into a single [[Ainur]] nav box.  For one thing, they are all Ainur, with the Valar merely being more powerful and in leadership roles.  Also, the status of [[Melkor]] is rather ambiguous, since he was originally a Vala, but became no longer counted as one, suggesting that the Valar is more like an order than a race, and that Melkor was expelled from this order without actually changing who he fundamentally was.  Additionally, there are only so many Ainur overall who have even been documented&mdash;thing of all the Valar and all the Maiar that have ever been named, and how many are there?  Two, three dozen?  Since the Ainur are technically a single race, a single nav box can accommodate them both more efficiently.  Though of course the list would not be mixed up&mdash;the Valar would be mentioned first, along with Melkor in some capacity (either as former Vala or as Ainu), and the rest of the Maiar mentioned as miscellaneous Ainur (since a Maia is technically any Ainu that is not counted as a Vala). - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 06:18, 16 February 2010 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Trying to think of something more constructive at the moment.  I think the nav boxes for [[Valar]] and [[Maiar]] should be merged into a single [[Ainur]] nav box.  For one thing, they are all Ainur, with the Valar merely being more powerful and in leadership roles.  Also, the status of [[<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Morgoth|</ins>Melkor]] is rather ambiguous, since he was originally a Vala, but became no longer counted as one, suggesting that the Valar is more like an order than a race, and that Melkor was expelled from this order without actually changing who he fundamentally was.  Additionally, there are only so many Ainur overall who have even been documented&mdash;thing of all the Valar and all the Maiar that have ever been named, and how many are there?  Two, three dozen?  Since the Ainur are technically a single race, a single nav box can accommodate them both more efficiently.  Though of course the list would not be mixed up&mdash;the Valar would be mentioned first, along with Melkor in some capacity (either as former Vala or as Ainu), and the rest of the Maiar mentioned as miscellaneous Ainur (since a Maia is technically any Ainu that is not counted as a Vala). - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 06:18, 16 February 2010 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Although this does make sense, it would make for one very long page. I do believe [[Melkor]] should be counted as a "former Vala or Ainu," but leaving the Maiar as "miscellaneous Ainur" would make me rather leave them as separate pages. --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 19:47, 16 February 2010 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Although this does make sense, it would make for one very long page. I do believe [[<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Morgoth|</ins>Melkor]] should be counted as a "former Vala or Ainu," but leaving the Maiar as "miscellaneous Ainur" would make me rather leave them as separate pages. --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 19:47, 16 February 2010 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Actually, it might not be as big as you think.  If it's just a concise list of textual links, then there's, what, maybe 30 Ainur?  That fits comfortably in a nav box size.  Because although Maiar are miscellaneous Ainur, there aren't actually ''that many'' of them documented.  The number would be greater, but storytelling has only told of a few. - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 20:11, 16 February 2010 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Actually, it might not be as big as you think.  If it's just a concise list of textual links, then there's, what, maybe 30 Ainur?  That fits comfortably in a nav box size.  Because although Maiar are miscellaneous Ainur, there aren't actually ''that many'' of them documented.  The number would be greater, but storytelling has only told of a few. - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 20:11, 16 February 2010 (UTC)</div></td></tr> </table>

KingAragorn Bot http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forum:Ainur_nav_box&diff=96863&oldid=prev Breragor at 01:52, 17 February 2010 2010-02-17T01:52:49Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: white; color:black;"> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr valign='top'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">Revision as of 01:52, 17 February 2010</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 9:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 9:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Actually, it might not be as big as you think.  If it's just a concise list of textual links, then there's, what, maybe 30 Ainur?  That fits comfortably in a nav box size.  Because although Maiar are miscellaneous Ainur, there aren't actually ''that many'' of them documented.  The number would be greater, but storytelling has only told of a few. - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 20:11, 16 February 2010 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Actually, it might not be as big as you think.  If it's just a concise list of textual links, then there's, what, maybe 30 Ainur?  That fits comfortably in a nav box size.  Because although Maiar are miscellaneous Ainur, there aren't actually ''that many'' of them documented.  The number would be greater, but storytelling has only told of a few. - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 20:11, 16 February 2010 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I didn't realize it would just be a collection of the links to individuals' pages, so I'm for that all the way.--{{User:Breragor/sig}} 01:52, 17 February 2010 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Breragor http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forum:Ainur_nav_box&diff=96726&oldid=prev Gilgamesh at 20:11, 16 February 2010 2010-02-16T20:11:27Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: white; color:black;"> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr valign='top'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">Revision as of 20:11, 16 February 2010</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 7:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 7:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Although this does make sense, it would make for one very long page. I do believe [[Melkor]] should be counted as a "former Vala or Ainu," but leaving the Maiar as "miscellaneous Ainur" would make me rather leave them as separate pages. --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 19:47, 16 February 2010 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Although this does make sense, it would make for one very long page. I do believe [[Melkor]] should be counted as a "former Vala or Ainu," but leaving the Maiar as "miscellaneous Ainur" would make me rather leave them as separate pages. --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 19:47, 16 February 2010 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Actually, it might not be as big as you think.  If it's just a concise list of textual links, then there's, what, maybe 30 Ainur?  That fits comfortably in a nav box size.  Because although Maiar are miscellaneous Ainur, there aren't actually ''that many'' of them documented.  The number would be greater, but storytelling has only told of a few. - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 20:11, 16 February 2010 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Gilgamesh http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forum:Ainur_nav_box&diff=96725&oldid=prev Breragor at 19:47, 16 February 2010 2010-02-16T19:47:16Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: white; color:black;"> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr valign='top'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">Revision as of 19:47, 16 February 2010</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 4:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 4:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div></div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div></div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Trying to think of something more constructive at the moment.  I think the nav boxes for [[Valar]] and [[Maiar]] should be merged into a single [[Ainur]] nav box.  For one thing, they are all Ainur, with the Valar merely being more powerful and in leadership roles.  Also, the status of [[Melkor]] is rather ambiguous, since he was originally a Vala, but became no longer counted as one, suggesting that the Valar is more like an order than a race, and that Melkor was expelled from this order without actually changing who he fundamentally was.  Additionally, there are only so many Ainur overall who have even been documented&mdash;thing of all the Valar and all the Maiar that have ever been named, and how many are there?  Two, three dozen?  Since the Ainur are technically a single race, a single nav box can accommodate them both more efficiently.  Though of course the list would not be mixed up&mdash;the Valar would be mentioned first, along with Melkor in some capacity (either as former Vala or as Ainu), and the rest of the Maiar mentioned as miscellaneous Ainur (since a Maia is technically any Ainu that is not counted as a Vala). - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 06:18, 16 February 2010 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Trying to think of something more constructive at the moment.  I think the nav boxes for [[Valar]] and [[Maiar]] should be merged into a single [[Ainur]] nav box.  For one thing, they are all Ainur, with the Valar merely being more powerful and in leadership roles.  Also, the status of [[Melkor]] is rather ambiguous, since he was originally a Vala, but became no longer counted as one, suggesting that the Valar is more like an order than a race, and that Melkor was expelled from this order without actually changing who he fundamentally was.  Additionally, there are only so many Ainur overall who have even been documented&mdash;thing of all the Valar and all the Maiar that have ever been named, and how many are there?  Two, three dozen?  Since the Ainur are technically a single race, a single nav box can accommodate them both more efficiently.  Though of course the list would not be mixed up&mdash;the Valar would be mentioned first, along with Melkor in some capacity (either as former Vala or as Ainu), and the rest of the Maiar mentioned as miscellaneous Ainur (since a Maia is technically any Ainu that is not counted as a Vala). - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 06:18, 16 February 2010 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Although this does make sense, it would make for one very long page. I do believe [[Melkor]] should be counted as a "former Vala or Ainu," but leaving the Maiar as "miscellaneous Ainur" would make me rather leave them as separate pages. --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 19:47, 16 February 2010 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Breragor http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forum:Ainur_nav_box&diff=96699&oldid=prev Gilgamesh at 06:18, 16 February 2010 2010-02-16T06:18:41Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: white; color:black;"> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr valign='top'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">Revision as of 06:18, 16 February 2010</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 3:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 3:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div></div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div></div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Trying to think of something more constructive at the moment.  I think the nav boxes for [[Valar]] and [[Maiar]] should be merged into a single [[Ainur]] nav box.  For one thing, they are all Ainur, with the Valar merely being more powerful and in leadership roles.  Also, the status of [[Melkor]] is rather ambiguous, since he was originally a Vala, but became no longer counted as one, suggesting that the Valar is more like an order than a race, and that Melkor was expelled from this order without actually changing who he fundamentally was.  Additionally, there are only so many Ainur overall who have even been documented&mdash;thing of all the Valar and all the Maiar that have ever been named, and how many are there?  Two, three dozen?  Since the Ainur are technically a single race, a single nav box can accommodate them both more efficiently. - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 06:<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">16</del>, 16 February 2010 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Trying to think of something more constructive at the moment.  I think the nav boxes for [[Valar]] and [[Maiar]] should be merged into a single [[Ainur]] nav box.  For one thing, they are all Ainur, with the Valar merely being more powerful and in leadership roles.  Also, the status of [[Melkor]] is rather ambiguous, since he was originally a Vala, but became no longer counted as one, suggesting that the Valar is more like an order than a race, and that Melkor was expelled from this order without actually changing who he fundamentally was.  Additionally, there are only so many Ainur overall who have even been documented&mdash;thing of all the Valar and all the Maiar that have ever been named, and how many are there?  Two, three dozen?  Since the Ainur are technically a single race, a single nav box can accommodate them both more efficiently<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">.  Though of course the list would not be mixed up&mdash;the Valar would be mentioned first, along with Melkor in some capacity (either as former Vala or as Ainu), and the rest of the Maiar mentioned as miscellaneous Ainur (since a Maia is technically any Ainu that is not counted as a Vala)</ins>. - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 06:<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">18</ins>, 16 February 2010 (UTC)</div></td></tr> </table>

Gilgamesh http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forum:Ainur_nav_box&diff=96698&oldid=prev Gilgamesh at 06:17, 16 February 2010 2010-02-16T06:17:21Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: white; color:black;"> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr valign='top'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">Revision as of 06:17, 16 February 2010</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 3:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 3:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div></div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div></div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Trying to think of something more constructive at the moment.  I think the nav boxes for [[Valar]] and [[Maiar]] should be merged into a single [[Ainur]] nav box.  For one thing, they are all Ainur, with the Valar merely being more powerful and in leadership roles.  Also, the status of [[Melkor]] is rather ambiguous, since he was originally a Vala, but became no longer counted as one, suggesting that the Valar is more like an order than a race.  Additionally, there are only so many Ainur overall who have even been documented&mdash;thing of all the Valar and all the Maiar that have ever been named, and how many are there?  Two, three dozen?  Since the Ainur are technically a single race, a single nav box can accommodate them both more efficiently. - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 06:16, 16 February 2010 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Trying to think of something more constructive at the moment.  I think the nav boxes for [[Valar]] and [[Maiar]] should be merged into a single [[Ainur]] nav box.  For one thing, they are all Ainur, with the Valar merely being more powerful and in leadership roles.  Also, the status of [[Melkor]] is rather ambiguous, since he was originally a Vala, but became no longer counted as one, suggesting that the Valar is more like an order than a race<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">, and that Melkor was expelled from this order without actually changing who he fundamentally was</ins>.  Additionally, there are only so many Ainur overall who have even been documented&mdash;thing of all the Valar and all the Maiar that have ever been named, and how many are there?  Two, three dozen?  Since the Ainur are technically a single race, a single nav box can accommodate them both more efficiently. - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 06:16, 16 February 2010 (UTC)</div></td></tr> </table>

Gilgamesh http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forum:Ainur_nav_box&diff=96697&oldid=prev Gilgamesh: New page: <div style="background: #eee; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 5px">'''Tolkien Gateway > Council > {{PAGENAME}}'''</div> Category:Council <!-- S... 2010-02-16T06:16:29Z

<p>New page: <div style="background: #eee; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 5px">'''<a href="/wiki/Main_Page" title="Main Page">Tolkien Gateway</a> > <a href="/wiki/Forum:Council" title="Forum:Council">Council</a> > {{PAGENAME}}'''</div> <a href="/wiki/Category:Council" title="Category:Council">Category:Council</a> <br /> Trying to think of something more constructive at the moment. I think the nav boxes for [[Valar]] and [[Maiar]] should be merged into a single [[Ainur]] nav box. For one thing, they are all Ainur, with the Valar merely being more powerful and in leadership roles. Also, the status of [[Melkor]] is rather ambiguous, since he was originally a Vala, but became no longer counted as one, suggesting that the Valar is more like an order than a race. Additionally, there are only so many Ainur overall who have even been documented&mdash;thing of all the Valar and all the Maiar that have ever been named, and how many are there? Two, three dozen? Since the Ainur are technically a single race, a single nav box can accommodate them both more efficiently. - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 06:16, 16 February 2010 (UTC)</div>

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