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::Here's the link to a great map of Arda's northern hemisphere, also during the First Age: http://www.theonering.com/images/medialibrary/first_age_of_arda.gif You can also see the East Sea there.
 
::Here's the link to a great map of Arda's northern hemisphere, also during the First Age: http://www.theonering.com/images/medialibrary/first_age_of_arda.gif You can also see the East Sea there.
 
:::That map at the link, isn't it published in the Atlas of Middle-Earth.
 
:::That map at the link, isn't it published in the Atlas of Middle-Earth.
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::::Yep. That's why I'm sure the map is authentic. You see? The East Sea isn't Fanon atall! =] -- [[User:Explorer of Arda|Explorer of Arda]] 08:14, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

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All other kingdoms (eg. Mordor, Gondor, Lindon, etc.) in the West of Middle-earth have obvious geographical borders (eg. Mountains). In the region of Rohan, Rhovanion and Rhûn, however, there are no mountain ranges to seperate them, only rivers and forest. So, my question, where exactly do their borders lie? -- Explorer of Arda 09:53, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Edit: Drat. I misspellt "Rhovanion" in the title. How can I fox that?

As for fixing: you could press "Move", but it's not important. We know what you mean.
Rohan has rivers as borders - the Isen (and later the Adorn) in the West, Anduin, Entwash and the Mering stream in the East. Fangorn marked the northern border.
Rhûn and Rhovanion don't have clear borders. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 10:37, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Ah, I see. I thought maby Rhûn and Rhovanion were partly seperated by the River Running, with Rhûn to its east and Rhovanion to its west or something like that.
Quick off topic question. Do you happend to know how the East Sea was formed? -- Explorer of Arda 11:55, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Quick answer: No, I don't. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 12:44, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
According to the book I read (the one with the made-up names and mis-labbelings) it was origionally, like the Sea of Helcar, a crater left behind by the destruction of the lamps. The sea grew (somehow and for some reason) into the East Sea (the book called it the "Inner Sea") and split Hyemenor (is that even the Dark Land's real name?) and Middle-earth into two seperate continents.
Is that plausible? I'm just asking, 'cause I wont just believe anything that book says, now that I know it's fanon... -- Explorer of Arda 12:57, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
It's not mentioned in The Silmarillion, nor, as far as I know in The History of Middle-earth. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 13:01, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Also made up, then (as far as we know). Do you think it's plausible theory for the East Sea's formation? -- Explorer of Arda 13:05, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
In an older part of the Sil, somewhere in HOME, it is said that the sea was remainent of the sea of Helcar. In latter parts it already existed in the first age. I belief in the second one. I think there are no grounds to protect that argument, i think its just speculation or fanon. BTW Hye means south. So it couldn't be in the east, I think. And in what book al those fanon is?--Amroth 18:05, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Hyemenor (Southland - aka Darkland) is the southern continent of Arda, directly bellow Middle-earth. The two continents are seperated by the East Sea. It's the sea, not the continets, that lies to the east, though it is technically in the centre of Arda. -- Explorer of Arda 11:42, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

ow okay, the east sea is fanon, isnt it? --Amroth 14:24, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<math>Insert formula here</math>
Not at all!! The East Sea is the sea that devides Middle-Earth form the Dark Land (aka Southland or Hyarmenor). You can see both the Dark Land and the East Sea on the map (of the First Age - by Tolkien himself) below:
File:Arda001.gif
Here's the link to a great map of Arda's northern hemisphere, also during the First Age: http://www.theonering.com/images/medialibrary/first_age_of_arda.gif You can also see the East Sea there.
That map at the link, isn't it published in the Atlas of Middle-Earth.
Yep. That's why I'm sure the map is authentic. You see? The East Sea isn't Fanon atall! =] -- Explorer of Arda 08:14, 2 April 2010 (UTC)