Forum:Canon scale - Revision history

http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forum:Canon_scale&feed=atom&action=history Forum:Canon scale - Revision history 2013-05-25T11:00:13Z Revision history for this page on the wiki MediaWiki 1.17.0 http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forum:Canon_scale&diff=203475&oldid=prev KingAragorn at 22:20, 9 July 2012 2012-07-09T22:20:44Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: white; color:black;"> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr valign='top'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">Revision as of 22:20, 9 July 2012</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 49:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 49:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>:I definitely don't like alternating colors, after experimenting.  Overall I'd say the multi-color scheme looks the best, but is too distracting.  Here's a comparison:</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>:I definitely don't like alternating colors, after experimenting.  Overall I'd say the multi-color scheme looks the best, but is too distracting.  Here's a comparison:</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>[[Image:Canon Scale - 1.jpg]]</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>[[Image:<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Narfil Palùrfalas - </ins>Canon Scale - 1.jpg]]</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>[[Image:Canon Scale - 0.jpg]]</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>[[Image:<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Narfil Palùrfalas - </ins>Canon Scale - 0.jpg]]</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>:Tell me what you think. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 15:10, 22 June 2007 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>:Tell me what you think. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 15:10, 22 June 2007 (EDT)</div></td></tr> </table>

KingAragorn http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forum:Canon_scale&diff=114142&oldid=prev Mith: Re-linked 2010-07-06T21:19:35Z

<p>Re-linked</p> <table style="background-color: white; color:black;"> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr valign='top'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">Revision as of 21:19, 6 July 2010</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 7:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 7:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>:I don't think one can make a "scale of canonicity". The question of 'canon' or 'non-canon' is far too cmplicated and individualistic I think. One could make a list like 'published', 'postumously published', 'early idea, later discarded', 'late writing', and the like, I guess, with the reader him/herself deciding on canonicity. --[[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] 15:24, 5 March 2006 (EST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>:I don't think one can make a "scale of canonicity". The question of 'canon' or 'non-canon' is far too cmplicated and individualistic I think. One could make a list like 'published', 'postumously published', 'early idea, later discarded', 'late writing', and the like, I guess, with the reader him/herself deciding on canonicity. --[[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] 15:24, 5 March 2006 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>::You're probably right. But I think even works like [[The Lord of the Rings]] aren't perfect. For example in the latest edition [[Aiglos]] was changed to [[Aeglos (disambiguation)|Aeglos]]. In my opinion [[Aeglos (disambiguation)|Aeglos]] would be considered more canon even though it was altered after [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s death. I guess as long as we specify what makes the character/item/etc canon or non-canon then that would be sufficient. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 15:32, 5 March 2006 (EST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>::You're probably right. But I think even works like [[The Lord of the Rings]] aren't perfect. For example in the latest edition [[<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Aeglos (disambiguation)|</ins>Aiglos]] was changed to [[Aeglos (disambiguation)|Aeglos]]. In my opinion [[Aeglos (disambiguation)|Aeglos]] would be considered more canon even though it was altered after [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s death. I guess as long as we specify what makes the character/item/etc canon or non-canon then that would be sufficient. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 15:32, 5 March 2006 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>:::We could add '''Notes on Canonicity''' at the end of certain articles, if we think that's necessary, with arguments pro and con its (non)canonicity. --[[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] 15:47, 5 March 2006 (EST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>:::We could add '''Notes on Canonicity''' at the end of certain articles, if we think that's necessary, with arguments pro and con its (non)canonicity. --[[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] 15:47, 5 March 2006 (EST)</div></td></tr> </table>

Mith http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forum:Canon_scale&diff=113498&oldid=prev KingAragorn: changing links 2010-07-03T17:11:18Z

<p>changing links</p> <table style="background-color: white; color:black;"> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr valign='top'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">Revision as of 17:11, 3 July 2010</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 7:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 7:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>:I don't think one can make a "scale of canonicity". The question of 'canon' or 'non-canon' is far too cmplicated and individualistic I think. One could make a list like 'published', 'postumously published', 'early idea, later discarded', 'late writing', and the like, I guess, with the reader him/herself deciding on canonicity. --[[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] 15:24, 5 March 2006 (EST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>:I don't think one can make a "scale of canonicity". The question of 'canon' or 'non-canon' is far too cmplicated and individualistic I think. One could make a list like 'published', 'postumously published', 'early idea, later discarded', 'late writing', and the like, I guess, with the reader him/herself deciding on canonicity. --[[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] 15:24, 5 March 2006 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>::You're probably right. But I think even works like [[The Lord of the Rings]] aren't perfect. For example in the latest edition [[Aiglos]] was changed to [[Aeglos]]. In my opinion [[Aeglos]] would be considered more canon even though it was altered after [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s death. I guess as long as we specify what makes the character/item/etc canon or non-canon then that would be sufficient. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 15:32, 5 March 2006 (EST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>::You're probably right. But I think even works like [[The Lord of the Rings]] aren't perfect. For example in the latest edition [[Aiglos]] was changed to [[<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Aeglos (disambiguation)|</ins>Aeglos]]. In my opinion [[<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Aeglos (disambiguation)|</ins>Aeglos]] would be considered more canon even though it was altered after [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s death. I guess as long as we specify what makes the character/item/etc canon or non-canon then that would be sufficient. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 15:32, 5 March 2006 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>:::We could add '''Notes on Canonicity''' at the end of certain articles, if we think that's necessary, with arguments pro and con its (non)canonicity. --[[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] 15:47, 5 March 2006 (EST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>:::We could add '''Notes on Canonicity''' at the end of certain articles, if we think that's necessary, with arguments pro and con its (non)canonicity. --[[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] 15:47, 5 March 2006 (EST)</div></td></tr> </table>

KingAragorn http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forum:Canon_scale&diff=47735&oldid=prev Narfil Palùrfalas at 16:56, 5 July 2007 2007-07-05T16:56:53Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: white; color:black;"> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr valign='top'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">Revision as of 16:56, 5 July 2007</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 63:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 63:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>::::: The application of the notion of a canon scale is more complicated than i first thought at a glance. It's pretty obvious that we should make the main biographies of characters, items and locations as canonical as possible and so from that point of view the notion of a scale only really is applicable to older or debatable conceptions. In the 'dictionary' format which Hyarion has described to me as the current thrust where every different version is treated as a separate entity the canon scale has more applicability than it would to the wikipedia format where it (sometimes quite bluntly) shoots down all alternatives in a section at the bottom of the page. I think there's a happy medium and from that point of view i sympathise with Earendylion's standpoint that we shouldnt lock it down to something as simplistic as a scale but should rather face canonicity head-on, analysing the individual aspects of it in the fullness of their complication (the canon scale might be good as a stop-gap until we get round to doing that for every nessercary article). While i was originally in favour of the notion therefore i have to say i think it steps over the line of 'make it as simple as possible but no simpler'. [[User:Dr Death|Dr Death]] 10:23, 23 June 2007 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>::::: The application of the notion of a canon scale is more complicated than i first thought at a glance. It's pretty obvious that we should make the main biographies of characters, items and locations as canonical as possible and so from that point of view the notion of a scale only really is applicable to older or debatable conceptions. In the 'dictionary' format which Hyarion has described to me as the current thrust where every different version is treated as a separate entity the canon scale has more applicability than it would to the wikipedia format where it (sometimes quite bluntly) shoots down all alternatives in a section at the bottom of the page. I think there's a happy medium and from that point of view i sympathise with Earendylion's standpoint that we shouldnt lock it down to something as simplistic as a scale but should rather face canonicity head-on, analysing the individual aspects of it in the fullness of their complication (the canon scale might be good as a stop-gap until we get round to doing that for every nessercary article). While i was originally in favour of the notion therefore i have to say i think it steps over the line of 'make it as simple as possible but no simpler'. [[User:Dr Death|Dr Death]] 10:23, 23 June 2007 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I have uploaded what looks like the final draft of the canon scale.  All I need now is permission to add spaces for it on infoboxes. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 12:56, 5 July 2007 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Narfil Palùrfalas http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forum:Canon_scale&diff=46946&oldid=prev Dr Death at 14:23, 23 June 2007 2007-06-23T14:23:48Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: white; color:black;"> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr valign='top'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">Revision as of 14:23, 23 June 2007</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 61:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 61:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>::::I'm just going to state here and now why I believe articles on the scale that are 3s, 4s, and 5s should be stated as fact in the articles: clarity.  Objections should be voiced below or in a different article if there is the need.  Wikipedia's Tolkien articles (see their Galadriel article and biography section, for instance) are often cluttered with whether or not this or that is accepted as canon.  In my opinion, the biographies should be kept clean of that, to make them more readable.  No need for anyone to respond, just voicing the reasons so I won't be asked later. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 06:29, 23 June 2007 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>::::I'm just going to state here and now why I believe articles on the scale that are 3s, 4s, and 5s should be stated as fact in the articles: clarity.  Objections should be voiced below or in a different article if there is the need.  Wikipedia's Tolkien articles (see their Galadriel article and biography section, for instance) are often cluttered with whether or not this or that is accepted as canon.  In my opinion, the biographies should be kept clean of that, to make them more readable.  No need for anyone to respond, just voicing the reasons so I won't be asked later. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 06:29, 23 June 2007 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::::: The application of the notion of a canon scale is more complicated than i first thought at a glance. It's pretty obvious that we should make the main biographies of characters, items and locations as canonical as possible and so from that point of view the notion of a scale only really is applicable to older or debatable conceptions. In the 'dictionary' format which Hyarion has described to me as the current thrust where every different version is treated as a separate entity the canon scale has more applicability than it would to the wikipedia format where it (sometimes quite bluntly) shoots down all alternatives in a section at the bottom of the page. I think there's a happy medium and from that point of view i sympathise with Earendylion's standpoint that we shouldnt lock it down to something as simplistic as a scale but should rather face canonicity head-on, analysing the individual aspects of it in the fullness of their complication (the canon scale might be good as a stop-gap until we get round to doing that for every nessercary article). While i was originally in favour of the notion therefore i have to say i think it steps over the line of 'make it as simple as possible but no simpler'. [[User:Dr Death|Dr Death]] 10:23, 23 June 2007 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Dr Death http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forum:Canon_scale&diff=46945&oldid=prev Narfil Palùrfalas at 10:29, 23 June 2007 2007-06-23T10:29:51Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: white; color:black;"> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr valign='top'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">Revision as of 10:29, 23 June 2007</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 59:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 59:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>:::I just changed the experimental infobox so that the new version is in the one on the [[Tolkien Gateway:Sandbox|Sandbox]].  Also, I've placed it down at the bottom instead.  I think I prefer the scale just below the name and image, actually. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 15:46, 22 June 2007 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>:::I just changed the experimental infobox so that the new version is in the one on the [[Tolkien Gateway:Sandbox|Sandbox]].  Also, I've placed it down at the bottom instead.  I think I prefer the scale just below the name and image, actually. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 15:46, 22 June 2007 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::::I'm just going to state here and now why I believe articles on the scale that are 3s, 4s, and 5s should be stated as fact in the articles: clarity.  Objections should be voiced below or in a different article if there is the need.  Wikipedia's Tolkien articles (see their Galadriel article and biography section, for instance) are often cluttered with whether or not this or that is accepted as canon.  In my opinion, the biographies should be kept clean of that, to make them more readable.  No need for anyone to respond, just voicing the reasons so I won't be asked later. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 06:29, 23 June 2007 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Narfil Palùrfalas http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forum:Canon_scale&diff=46897&oldid=prev Narfil Palùrfalas at 19:46, 22 June 2007 2007-06-22T19:46:55Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: white; color:black;"> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr valign='top'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">Revision as of 19:46, 22 June 2007</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 57:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 57:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>:::Extra-Tolkien was bad word choice.  0 on the scale means from Adaptions or RPGs or the like.  I don't know about just having Canon-Uncanon/Noncanon.  Would we put nothing down on a 3?  Other versions of the legendarium generally contradicts the information found in the main article, so I don't think a scale would be neccessary.  There's also often more than one bit of variation in those sections.  After your response, I'm going to try and upload the rest in the new color scheme/size.  Any other suggestions? --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 15:42, 22 June 2007 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>:::Extra-Tolkien was bad word choice.  0 on the scale means from Adaptions or RPGs or the like.  I don't know about just having Canon-Uncanon/Noncanon.  Would we put nothing down on a 3?  Other versions of the legendarium generally contradicts the information found in the main article, so I don't think a scale would be neccessary.  There's also often more than one bit of variation in those sections.  After your response, I'm going to try and upload the rest in the new color scheme/size.  Any other suggestions? --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 15:42, 22 June 2007 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::I just changed the experimental infobox so that the new version is in the one on the [[Tolkien Gateway:Sandbox|Sandbox]].  Also, I've placed it down at the bottom instead.  I think I prefer the scale just below the name and image, actually. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 15:46, 22 June 2007 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Narfil Palùrfalas http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forum:Canon_scale&diff=46894&oldid=prev Narfil Palùrfalas at 19:42, 22 June 2007 2007-06-22T19:42:07Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: white; color:black;"> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr valign='top'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">Revision as of 19:42, 22 June 2007</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 55:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 55:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>::I definitely like the new green one you uploaded, it's not so flashy but still conveys the same information. Nice job. I was thinking, on a lot of articles we have "Other versions of the legendarium" so should we have another scale down there since it is possible multiple levels of canon will be used in one article? That might be too many scales, maybe just sticking with one is best. Also I'm not sure what the Extra-Tolkien means, maybe on each side we should say "Canon" then "Noncanon" though that'll probably get in the way of the arrow. We could probably just have the image be a link people can click on if they are confused as to the meaning. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 15:18, 22 June 2007 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>::I definitely like the new green one you uploaded, it's not so flashy but still conveys the same information. Nice job. I was thinking, on a lot of articles we have "Other versions of the legendarium" so should we have another scale down there since it is possible multiple levels of canon will be used in one article? That might be too many scales, maybe just sticking with one is best. Also I'm not sure what the Extra-Tolkien means, maybe on each side we should say "Canon" then "Noncanon" though that'll probably get in the way of the arrow. We could probably just have the image be a link people can click on if they are confused as to the meaning. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 15:18, 22 June 2007 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::Extra-Tolkien was bad word choice.  0 on the scale means from Adaptions or RPGs or the like.  I don't know about just having Canon-Uncanon/Noncanon.  Would we put nothing down on a 3?  Other versions of the legendarium generally contradicts the information found in the main article, so I don't think a scale would be neccessary.  There's also often more than one bit of variation in those sections.  After your response, I'm going to try and upload the rest in the new color scheme/size.  Any other suggestions? --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 15:42, 22 June 2007 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Narfil Palùrfalas http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forum:Canon_scale&diff=46883&oldid=prev Hyarion: /* Canon Scale */ Added reply 2007-06-22T19:18:34Z

<p><span class="autocomment">Canon Scale: </span> Added reply</p> <table style="background-color: white; color:black;"> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr valign='top'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">Revision as of 19:18, 22 June 2007</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 53:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 53:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>:Tell me what you think. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 15:10, 22 June 2007 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>:Tell me what you think. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 15:10, 22 June 2007 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::I definitely like the new green one you uploaded, it's not so flashy but still conveys the same information. Nice job. I was thinking, on a lot of articles we have "Other versions of the legendarium" so should we have another scale down there since it is possible multiple levels of canon will be used in one article? That might be too many scales, maybe just sticking with one is best. Also I'm not sure what the Extra-Tolkien means, maybe on each side we should say "Canon" then "Noncanon" though that'll probably get in the way of the arrow. We could probably just have the image be a link people can click on if they are confused as to the meaning. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 15:18, 22 June 2007 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Hyarion http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forum:Canon_scale&diff=46880&oldid=prev Narfil Palùrfalas at 19:14, 22 June 2007 2007-06-22T19:14:44Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: white; color:black;"> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr valign='top'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">Revision as of 19:14, 22 June 2007</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 52:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 52:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>[[Image:Canon Scale - 0.jpg]]</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>[[Image:Canon Scale - 0.jpg]]</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>:Tell me what you think<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">.  By the way, I'd made the latter one not as tall, but for some reason when I re-uploaded it, it came out in the same dimensions</del>. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 15:10, 22 June 2007 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>:Tell me what you think. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 15:10, 22 June 2007 (EDT)</div></td></tr> </table>

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