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:In my opinion, it's best to put the main article on someone/-thing under the lemma of 'most-named'/'most-(in)famous name'; i.e. the main article on '''Aragorn''' under the lemma [[Aragorn]] with links vice-versa to and from the other names and titles [e.g at the end of the article with a '''See also:''']. The main article on [[Melkor]] could be, likewise, under the lemma [[Morgoth]]. --[[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] 15:33, 5 March 2006 (EST)
 
:In my opinion, it's best to put the main article on someone/-thing under the lemma of 'most-named'/'most-(in)famous name'; i.e. the main article on '''Aragorn''' under the lemma [[Aragorn]] with links vice-versa to and from the other names and titles [e.g at the end of the article with a '''See also:''']. The main article on [[Melkor]] could be, likewise, under the lemma [[Morgoth]]. --[[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] 15:33, 5 March 2006 (EST)
  
:: Hm, in regards to [[Aragorn]] though should we at least specify [[Aragorn|Aragorn II]] since he was technically not the first Aragorn? --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 15:37, 5 March 2006 (EST)
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:: Hm, in regards to [[Aragorn]] though should we at least specify [[Aragorn II]] since he was technically not the first Aragorn? --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 15:37, 5 March 2006 (EST)
  
:::But we all do know him as plain 'Aragorn', not as [[Aragorn|Aragorn II]]. If it were up to me, I would transfer the disambiguation on [[Aragorn]] (that is, the part linking to [[Aragorn I]]) to the top of the page on ''the'' Aragorn, and therefore also linking [[Aragorn]] to the article on ''the'' Aragorn (that is, redirecting [[Aragorn]] to [[Aragorn|Aragorn II]]. --[[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] 15:43, 5 March 2006 (EST)
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:::But we all do know him as plain 'Aragorn', not as [[Aragorn II]]. If it were up to me, I would transfer the disambiguation on [[Aragorn]] (that is, the part linking to [[Aragorn I]]) to the top of the page on ''the'' Aragorn, and therefore also linking [[Aragorn]] to the article on ''the'' Aragorn (that is, redirecting [[Aragorn]] to [[Aragorn II]]. --[[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] 15:43, 5 March 2006 (EST)
  
::::Okay I think I agree with you. But I'm a perfectionist so I need to make sure we have exact statistical reasoning behind it. So what we can do to decide what title will be used as the primary content holder, is to count the references used in [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s work. Thus [[Aragorn]] is used mainly for [[Aragorn|Aragorn II]] so Aragorn will be the primary content holder. And like you said, place [[Aragorn|Aragorn II]] at the top and we can place other names for him such as [[Strider]], [[Aragorn|Aragorn II]], etc. at the bottom. I'm content with this solution and will add the Aragorn change to my todo list. As always, thanks for the input. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 15:50, 5 March 2006 (EST)
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::::Okay I think I agree with you. But I'm a perfectionist so I need to make sure we have exact statistical reasoning behind it. So what we can do to decide what title will be used as the primary content holder, is to count the references used in [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s work. Thus [[Aragorn]] is used mainly for [[Aragorn II]] so Aragorn will be the primary content holder. And like you said, place [[Aragorn II]] at the top and we can place other names for him such as [[Strider]], [[Aragorn II]], etc. at the bottom. I'm content with this solution and will add the Aragorn change to my todo list. As always, thanks for the input. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 15:50, 5 March 2006 (EST)

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This is one problem I've had. We have Gandalf, Mithrandir, Grey Wanderer, etc. I think having separate articles for different names is a must, unlike Wikipedia who simply redirects them to one main article. I think we can go into enough detail about the meaning of the name, when the character used the name, etc, to justify an article for it. Another reason I dislike the redirection is because I will go to one article but redirected to another article abd I become confused as to why I am there. But I do not think content should be spread across multiple articles. For example a ruler of Númenor should not have their pre-ruling information in say Pharazon and have anything after they changed their name to Ar-Pharazôn be listed there, it should all be in one article. This being said I think we should vote on a primary article, such as Gandalf for the information to be stored, and other related naming articles should be linked to from there (and to there). The choice is the difficult decision, especially with say Aragorn, do you use his birth name? ruling name? full name? And then what would his full name be? It was different at different times. Another thing in this same area is we need to go through and make sure a page like Gandalf has links to all his other names. --Hyarion 10:36, 5 March 2006 (EST)

In my opinion, it's best to put the main article on someone/-thing under the lemma of 'most-named'/'most-(in)famous name'; i.e. the main article on Aragorn under the lemma Aragorn with links vice-versa to and from the other names and titles [e.g at the end of the article with a See also:]. The main article on Melkor could be, likewise, under the lemma Morgoth. --Earendilyon 15:33, 5 March 2006 (EST)
Hm, in regards to Aragorn though should we at least specify Aragorn II since he was technically not the first Aragorn? --Hyarion 15:37, 5 March 2006 (EST)
But we all do know him as plain 'Aragorn', not as Aragorn II. If it were up to me, I would transfer the disambiguation on Aragorn (that is, the part linking to Aragorn I) to the top of the page on the Aragorn, and therefore also linking Aragorn to the article on the Aragorn (that is, redirecting Aragorn to Aragorn II. --Earendilyon 15:43, 5 March 2006 (EST)
Okay I think I agree with you. But I'm a perfectionist so I need to make sure we have exact statistical reasoning behind it. So what we can do to decide what title will be used as the primary content holder, is to count the references used in J.R.R. Tolkien's work. Thus Aragorn is used mainly for Aragorn II so Aragorn will be the primary content holder. And like you said, place Aragorn II at the top and we can place other names for him such as Strider, Aragorn II, etc. at the bottom. I'm content with this solution and will add the Aragorn change to my todo list. As always, thanks for the input. --Hyarion 15:50, 5 March 2006 (EST)