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I'm confused about something. I note that Tolkien Gateway indicates that Gil-galad was the son of Orodreth and Orodreth in turn was the son Angrod. But in the family trees in the back of my copy of The Silmarillion (2nd Ed. published by Houghton Mifflin in 2001), Orodreth is shown as the son of Finarfin and Earwen and, as such a brother of Angrod, Galadriel, etc (II The Descendants of Olwe and Elwe). Meanwhile, Gil-galad is show as the son of Fingon ( I The House of Finwe and the Noldorin descent of Elrond and Elros). Is there any reason behind the inconsistency?Nolaquen 21:54, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

We follow the "later Silmarillion". Christopher Tolkien admitted the parentage of Gil-galad was rushed and incorrect in the published Silmarillion, and so it was more or less retconned into what we have here. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 21:55, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Also, see canon for an explanation of how Tolkien Gateway treats various "levels" of canon. Sage 13:16, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your help!Nolaquen

What adds to the confusion is that we aren't exactly consistent. For instance the High King of the Noldor lemma still follows the "published Silmarillion"-verse. -- Mithrennaith 12:10, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
That lemma says nothing about Gil-galad being Fingon's son. Sage 15:34, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
This is the wrong place. But did somebody ever noticed that in the Silmarillion Fingon sended his youngest son (Gil-Galad) too the Falas. This means Gil-Galad had in the Silmarillion-verse a brother (I saw this in a essay of a friend of my). Possible this was Aranwë. He most then been killed and his son, Voronwë, couldn't get the kingship because he was part-Sindar. Another option is that Aranwë was a (grand)son of Argon. But both options are impossible because this stood in the Shibbolet:

Findekano [Fingon] had no wife or child; neither had Arakano [Argon].

Gil-Galad's older brother is dissapeared. Gil-Galad had come to be the son of Finrod and brother of Gildor Inglorion. Latter he became the son of Orodreth. Amroth of Arnor A.K.A. Thijs95