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Hi,

On the Fili page it states that he is Thorin's heir and should become King under the Mountain after his uncle's death. I do not recall any such statement anywhere in the legendarium, though Tolkien refers to Dain Ironfoot as Thorin's heir. It is possible that in Dwarf culture the succession could not pass through the female line (Dis), and thus Fili would not be his uncle's heir, though he is closest of kin. Does anyone have more information on this than I do?

Nauglafring 13:15, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

I think it's a fair assumption that Fili was Thorin's heir. But you're right in that Tolkien never explicitly said so. However, it could be implied from the ordering of sentences like this: "There fell also Fíli and Kíli, his sister-sons. But Dáin Ironfoot, his cousin, who came from the Iron Hills to his aid and was also his rightful heir, became then King Dáin I ...". i.e. Tolkien only states that Dain was the rightful heir after saying that both Kili and Fili died along with Thorin.-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  13:26, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Ought we rephrase the article so as not to state it positively?

Nauglafring 17:19, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

I personally agree with Aragorn. Since Thorin has no children, Fili, being Thorin's sister's oldest son, would be the heir. Though I believe the confusion is that both Fili and Kili "had fallen defending him with shield and body" making there no need for Tolkien to inform us of what happened if they lived. One reason that Dain would be given rule over the Lonely mountain would be that Fili would have very little experience in ruling the dwarves.

User:Arya 20:21, 24 April 2015