Forum:Noncanon VS Non-Canon - Revision history

KingAragorn at 17:04, 13 June 2012

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−	I saw that there existed both cats that have Noncanon, Non-canon and Non-Canon in their name. (examples: [[:Category:Noncanon Men]] and [[:Category:Non-Canon Locations]]). With of these two is the good one? --[[User:Amroth\|Amroth]]	+	I saw that there existed both cats that have Noncanon, Non-canon and Non-Canon in their name. (examples: [[:Category:Noncanon Men]] and {{Redlink\|[[:Category:Non-Canon Locations]]}}). With of these two is the good one? --[[User:Amroth\|Amroth]]

	:Wiktionary says they're [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/noncanonical both] [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/non-canonical correct] ("Noncanon" and "Non-canon"). I personally don't like the "Non-Canon", but I'm neutral on the others. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 10:20, 12 September 2010 (UTC)		:Wiktionary says they're [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/noncanonical both] [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/non-canonical correct] ("Noncanon" and "Non-canon"). I personally don't like the "Non-Canon", but I'm neutral on the others. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 10:20, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Mithrennaith: On strange things in Dutch

2010-09-17T02:40:15Z

On strange things in Dutch

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	:::::I think "Non-Canon" is probably wrong, too (I was taught that in hyphenated words you only capitalise the initial word, unless the subsequent parts are capitalised in their own right, e.g. "Middle-earth" but "Saxe-Coburg-Gotha"). I definitely prefer "Non-canon", and these "Noncanon" categories has irritated me immensely for some time. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 11:50, 15 September 2010 (UTC)		:::::I think "Non-Canon" is probably wrong, too (I was taught that in hyphenated words you only capitalise the initial word, unless the subsequent parts are capitalised in their own right, e.g. "Middle-earth" but "Saxe-Coburg-Gotha"). I definitely prefer "Non-canon", and these "Noncanon" categories has irritated me immensely for some time. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 11:50, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
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	::::::I was taught that it would be Middle-Earth and Non-Canon, but I learnt that for Dutch so it could be wrong in English. --[[User:Amroth\|Amroth]]		::::::I was taught that it would be Middle-Earth and Non-Canon, but I learnt that for Dutch so it could be wrong in English. --[[User:Amroth\|Amroth]]
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		+	:::::::It would not always be true even in Dutch. There is no reason why ''niet-canon'' would get a capital in Dutch. In English it’s also ‘non-canon’ — the only reason we’re discussing ‘Non-canon’ vs. ‘Noncanon’ and ‘Non-Canon’ here is that category names always have to start with a capital initial.
		+	:::::::''Midden-aarde'' is a special case, not altogether amenable to rules, because of the circumstances under which it arose. Under Dutch rules it would have to be ''Middenaarde'' — the hyphen is there only because the translator of Tolkien’s works slavishly followed the English form of ‘Middle-earth’ and it became fixed as a specialist term. But ‘Middle-earth’ gets the hyphen only to avoid a clash of vowels. ‘Middle-Earth’ is incorrect, because there is no ‘Earth’ in ‘Middle-earth’: it’s derived from Anglo-Saxon ''middangeard'' — litterally ‘middlegarth’ or ‘middleyard’, compare Norse ''Midgård''. So, via Middle-English ''Middelerde'' we get ‘Middleearth’, except that would not be pronounced the right way — hence the need for the hyphen.
		+	:::::::So ''Midden-Aarde'' is likewise incorrect, ''Middenaarde'' would be the correct form — as ''Mittelerde'' is in German, not ''Mittel-Erde'' — and as there is there no clash of vowels in ''Middenaarde'', no hyphen would be needed; and it might even be more appropriate to use ''Middelaarde'', or even ''Middelgaarde''. But ''Midden-aarde'' got ossified, and we are stuck with it, unless and until we can convince the Dutch publishers to correct it — and even then the term has become so common and widespread that it wouldn’t be wise to do more than drop the hyphen. — [[User:Mithrennaith\|Mithrennaith]] 02:40, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Amroth at 15:10, 16 September 2010

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	:::::I think "Non-Canon" is probably wrong, too (I was taught that in hyphenated words you only capitalise the initial word, unless the subsequent parts are capitalised in their own right, e.g. "Middle-earth" but "Saxe-Coburg-Gotha"). I definitely prefer "Non-canon", and these "Noncanon" categories has irritated me immensely for some time. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 11:50, 15 September 2010 (UTC)		:::::I think "Non-Canon" is probably wrong, too (I was taught that in hyphenated words you only capitalise the initial word, unless the subsequent parts are capitalised in their own right, e.g. "Middle-earth" but "Saxe-Coburg-Gotha"). I definitely prefer "Non-canon", and these "Noncanon" categories has irritated me immensely for some time. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 11:50, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
−	::::::I was ~~learnt~~ that it would be Middle-Earth and Non-Canon, but I learnt that for Dutch so it could be wrong in English. --[[User:Amroth\|Amroth]]	+	::::::I was taught that it would be Middle-Earth and Non-Canon, but I learnt that for Dutch so it could be wrong in English. --[[User:Amroth\|Amroth]]

Amroth at 15:02, 16 September 2010

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	:::::I think "Non-Canon" is probably wrong, too (I was taught that in hyphenated words you only capitalise the initial word, unless the subsequent parts are capitalised in their own right, e.g. "Middle-earth" but "Saxe-Coburg-Gotha"). I definitely prefer "Non-canon", and these "Noncanon" categories has irritated me immensely for some time. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 11:50, 15 September 2010 (UTC)		:::::I think "Non-Canon" is probably wrong, too (I was taught that in hyphenated words you only capitalise the initial word, unless the subsequent parts are capitalised in their own right, e.g. "Middle-earth" but "Saxe-Coburg-Gotha"). I definitely prefer "Non-canon", and these "Noncanon" categories has irritated me immensely for some time. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 11:50, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
		+	::::::I was learnt that it would be Middle-Earth and Non-Canon, but I learnt that for Dutch so it could be wrong in English. --[[User:Amroth\|Amroth]]

Mith: I prefer "Non-canon"

2010-09-15T11:50:09Z

I prefer "Non-canon"

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	::::I would be content to settle for ‘Non-canon’. Like Ederchil, I feel ‘Non-Canon’ to be wrong. I do accept ‘Noncanon’ would be correct as well, but it doesn’t feel any more appropriate to me. — [[User:Mithrennaith\|Mithrennaith]] 19:59, 14 September 2010 (UTC)		::::I would be content to settle for ‘Non-canon’. Like Ederchil, I feel ‘Non-Canon’ to be wrong. I do accept ‘Noncanon’ would be correct as well, but it doesn’t feel any more appropriate to me. — [[User:Mithrennaith\|Mithrennaith]] 19:59, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
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		+	:::::I think "Non-Canon" is probably wrong, too (I was taught that in hyphenated words you only capitalise the initial word, unless the subsequent parts are capitalised in their own right, e.g. "Middle-earth" but "Saxe-Coburg-Gotha"). I definitely prefer "Non-canon", and these "Noncanon" categories has irritated me immensely for some time. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 11:50, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Mithrennaith: towards building consensus ...

2010-09-14T19:59:50Z

towards building consensus ...

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	:::'Non-canon' is probably more correct than 'Non-Canon'. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 15:43, 14 September 2010 (UTC)		:::'Non-canon' is probably more correct than 'Non-Canon'. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 15:43, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
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		+	::::I would be content to settle for ‘Non-canon’. Like Ederchil, I feel ‘Non-Canon’ to be wrong. I do accept ‘Noncanon’ would be correct as well, but it doesn’t feel any more appropriate to me. — [[User:Mithrennaith\|Mithrennaith]] 19:59, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

KingAragorn at 15:43, 14 September 2010

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	::Would that be "Non-Canon" or "Non-canon"? -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 11:16, 12 September 2010 (UTC)		::Would that be "Non-Canon" or "Non-canon"? -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 11:16, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
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		+	:::'Non-canon' is probably more correct than 'Non-Canon'. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 15:43, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Ederchil at 11:16, 12 September 2010

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	:Yeah, they're interchangeable. I personally prefer 'Non-Canon'. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 11:07, 12 September 2010 (UTC)		:Yeah, they're interchangeable. I personally prefer 'Non-Canon'. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 11:07, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
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		+	::Would that be "Non-Canon" or "Non-canon"? -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 11:16, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

KingAragorn at 11:07, 12 September 2010

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	:Wiktionary says they're [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/noncanonical both] [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/non-canonical correct] ("Noncanon" and "Non-canon"). I personally don't like the "Non-Canon", but I'm neutral on the others. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 10:20, 12 September 2010 (UTC)		:Wiktionary says they're [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/noncanonical both] [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/non-canonical correct] ("Noncanon" and "Non-canon"). I personally don't like the "Non-Canon", but I'm neutral on the others. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 10:20, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
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		+	:Yeah, they're interchangeable. I personally prefer 'Non-Canon'. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 11:07, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Ederchil at 10:20, 12 September 2010

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	I saw that there existed both cats that have Noncanon, Non-canon and Non-Canon in their name. (examples: [[:Category:Noncanon Men]] and [[:Category:Non-Canon Locations]]). With of these two is the good one? --[[User:Amroth\|Amroth]]		I saw that there existed both cats that have Noncanon, Non-canon and Non-Canon in their name. (examples: [[:Category:Noncanon Men]] and [[:Category:Non-Canon Locations]]). With of these two is the good one? --[[User:Amroth\|Amroth]]

−	:Wiktionary says they're [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/noncanonical both] [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/non-canonical correct] ("Noncanon" and "Non-canon"). I personally don't like the "Non-Canon", but I'm neutral on the others.	+	:Wiktionary says they're [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/noncanonical both] [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/non-canonical correct] ("Noncanon" and "Non-canon"). I personally don't like the "Non-Canon", but I'm neutral on the others. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 10:20, 12 September 2010 (UTC)