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Also, since Fea (the flame imperishable) is given by Eru, the first orcs could be corrupted Elves, because the elves had Fea to begin with. But why would Eru continue to give the next and following generations of Orcs Hroa (body) Fea. Therefore, orcs could be formed from the song of Morgoth and Eru could have given them Fea because they serve a purpose in the grand scheme of Eru, as do the Eagles and Ents.[[User:Flame of Anor|Flame of Anor]] 07:46, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Also, since Fea (the flame imperishable) is given by Eru, the first orcs could be corrupted Elves, because the elves had Fea to begin with. But why would Eru continue to give the next and following generations of Orcs Hroa (body) Fea. Therefore, orcs could be formed from the song of Morgoth and Eru could have given them Fea because they serve a purpose in the grand scheme of Eru, as do the Eagles and Ents.[[User:Flame of Anor|Flame of Anor]] 07:46, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
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This may have already been covered, but i was thinking, since Yavanna sung about ents and they were made by Eru, and Manwe sung about eagles and were produced, maybe Morgoth sung about Orcs in the Music of the Ainur, and though it may sound bad Eru created them because as he proclaimed during the music

"Eru then publicly rebuked Melkor, saying that all music found its source in himself, and thus Melkor could not create his own song or truly alter the Themes of Ilúvatar. Thus, though Melkor opposed Eru to his last breath, he only furthered the cause of Ilúvatar in new and wondrous ways"

Thoughts?Flame of Anor 07:36, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

It's an interesting thought, and a possible theory; however the most commonly accepted theory is that the Orcs were created by Morgoth through the torture and mutilation of Elves. Still, it is never absolutely confirmed, so your theory might well be correct. You've come up with a good analysis of the text!-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  18:39, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Also, since Fea (the flame imperishable) is given by Eru, the first orcs could be corrupted Elves, because the elves had Fea to begin with. But why would Eru continue to give the next and following generations of Orcs Hroa (body) Fea. Therefore, orcs could be formed from the song of Morgoth and Eru could have given them Fea because they serve a purpose in the grand scheme of Eru, as do the Eagles and Ents.Flame of Anor 07:46, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

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