I have an idea. To encourage editors to edit, we could have three user templates - gold, silver, and bronze (or if you want more Tolkienish names Silima, Mithril, and Tilkal) - as templates for their user pages. For instance, a "bronze" template could be displayed on their userpage if they had 500 edits, silver if they had 1000 edits, and gold if they had over 2000 edits. Tell me what you think. --Narfil Palùrfalas 10:02, 20 June 2006 (EDT)
- I love it! Some wikis have awards that can be given by anyone at random if they consider the user did something award worthy. This makes it difficult as people have different ideas for when someone accomplished something award-worthy. The edit requirement allows for at least some standard to be used. My only concern is that we might be focusing too much on edits when one person rewriting an entire article is much more helpful than simply a minor edit yet they count for the same. But I think in general the edit requirement is probably our best bet. We'll have to play around with some images, I definitely think the Tolkienish names you suggested are the way to go. We can also create other awards too like "Most active" or "Most knowledgeable" etc. because if we use the 500, 1,000, 2,000 standard people are going to have all the awards pretty fast. I kind of like 1000, 10000, 100000 :) Hm, we also need to make a good standard template that the award image is inside of, something that says "Award" at the bottom to identify the image and so if people have multiple awards all the images have the same theme. Great idea Narfil. --Hyarion 13:54, 20 June 2006 (EDT)
Only a relatively small amount of editors will ever reach 1000, and only the more active editors will reach 500. 2000 is certainly something to be proud of (on the other hand, Ebakunin reached it pretty quickly!). I see what you mean about the size of edits, but I don't see a way around it though. I really don't think anyone, excepting yourself, will ever reach 100,000 (unless they work for years). 10,000 may warrant a sort of "super-award", because only a few will reach it. Ideas for other awards are as follows:
- Most active
- Most knowledgeable
- Best writing (needs a better title)
- Hardest working (also needs a better title)
But with those we could give "character" awards. For instance, "most knowledgeable" would be, say, the "Gandalf" award (other suggestions include Bilbo or Rúmil). "Most active" would be Aragorn (or Fëanor). "Best writing" might be Bilbo. "Hardest working" could be. . . I would have to think about that one. On the other hand, we might have titles. "Most knowledgeable" would be Loremaster award, or etc. Just some ideas. Anyone can add to the list above. --Narfil Palùrfalas 14:31, 20 June 2006 (EDT)
- I uploaded the following image for the "Silima" award:
- I am looking for a good Mithril image (see Talk:John Howe - Mithril), but I can probably create good Tilkal in Bryce. --Narfil Palùrfalas 21:29, 24 June 2006 (EDT)
- Not to rush you or anything, Hyarion, but I was wondering if you had started the templates (I sure wish I knew how to do that. . .). Anyway, I'll try and get the Tilkal image done. Should the image be of a chain or just a close up of the texture? I favor the former. --Narfil Palùrfalas 14:51, 8 July 2006 (EDT)
- I've created the following image of Tilkal in Bryce (Notice that in varying lights it can be red or green; I prefer red, but I shall upload the green just so you can decide which one you prefer):
- It's pretty big, but that was just in case we might need it for something else. --Narfil Palùrfalas 16:17, 9 July 2006 (EDT)
- And Tilkal in green:
- Which do you prefer? --Narfil Palùrfalas 21:49, 9 July 2006 (EDT)
Well, I've had an idea for the voting for the "other" awards, such as most knowledgeable, etc. We could have it so that any nominations for the award would be posted on this thread. Then the voting would go on for, say, a two-week period of time. Anyone can vote, but at the end of that period the voting is closed and the award is given or denyed. It must be at least a 2/3 majority. I favor for voting the "Barrow-downs" approach: ++ Example or -- Example. Just an idea. This would also work for contests, though the period of time would be longer. --Narfil Palùrfalas 09:51, 10 July 2006 (EDT)
- Well, on Wookiepedia, they have "Wookiepedian of the month", could we think of a similar title for us? -Lord Aragorn1414 15:14, 18 July 2006 (EDT)
Alright, I've written out a set of rules as a Word document and copied them here. Tell me what you think.
Following shall be listed awards and their qualifications.
Highest Award: The highest award given to a Gatekeeper, only to the very best
- Keeper of the Seventh Gate – Qualifications: 2+ year participation, outstanding quality of work, advanced knowledge of subject matter, prominent membership, recognized excellence. 90% Votes.
Primary Awards: Primary awards are those most sought after; they reflect the overall status of the Gatekeeper
- Silima Award – Qualifications: 2000+ edits, exceptional quality of work, and the creation of at least ten prominent articles*. 90% Votes.
- Tilkal Award – Qualifications: 1500+ edits, exceptional quality of work, and the creation of at least five prominent articles*. 75% Votes.
- Mithril Award – Qualifications: 1000+ edits, high quality of work. 60% Votes.
Quality Awards: Quality is defined as an overall status of the writings, taking into play organization and content
- Aulë Award – Qualifications: Exceptional quality of work, knowledge of subject matter. 60% Votes.
- Telchar Award – Qualifications: High quality of work. 50% Votes.
Loremaster Awards: Loremaster/Knowledgeability Awards are for those who have a great knowledge of Tolkien’s works, and have put this knowledge to good use
- Mandos Award – Qualifications: 750+ edits, high quality of work, proven knowledgeability to the point of encyclopedic knowledge. 50% Votes.
- Rúmil Award – Qualifications: 500+ edits, proven knowledgeability. 50% Votes.
- Lore Rating – These are self-given ratings (0–4) on general knowledge. No votes are required.
Activity Awards: Activity Awards are given to those who are prominent, dedicated, and generally active
- Tulkas Award – Qualifications: 1000+ edits, high status of activity, talk is exceptionally logical and worthwhile, considerable contributions. 50% Votes.
- Fëanor Award – Qualifications: 750+ edits, high status of activity, talk is worthwhile. 50% Votes.
- Edit Rating – These are self-given ratings, counting the number of edits (1) 500+, (2) 1000+, (3) 2000+, (4) 5000+, (5) 10,000+. Only one, preferably the highest one, may be displayed in the award box.
Gardener Awards: Gardener Awards are for those who are patient and hard-working; who even if they aren’t very knowledgeable they make Tolkien Gateway a better place
- Yavanna Award – Qualifications: Active deletion of vandalism and Spam, active correction of spelling, grammar, and incorrect statements, high dedication. 75% Votes.
- Samwise Award – Qualifications: Active general improvement of articles. 50% Votes.
- For all awards but the Highest and Primary Awards voting shall be held for a month in a picked voting thread, which it is recommended that all users add to their watchlist. It is impossible that voters remain anonymous if someone wishes to find out, but they do not need to sign their names. They need only place (in bold) a ++Yes or --No under the columns designated. Highest and Primary Awards shall have a voting span of one month; all others two weeks. At the end of voting the nominator or a picked administrator shall count up the votes, and depending on the figures given above the award may or may not be awarded to the person in question.
- Any Gatekeeper can nominate another Gatekeeper, but if they nominate someone who does not qualify to the technical qualifications the voting shall be stopped by an Administrator or another.
- Anyone who votes more than once may be at an administrator’s discretion banned for a maximum period of up to two months. Anyone who sees such cheating should report it immediately by placing it on an administrator’s talk page, not in the main voting thread. Any votes for himself/herself shall be deleted and ignored thereafter. If the voting for himself/herself occurs frequently, they may be punished at a picked administrator’s discretion.
* The creation of an article is, at the voter's discretion, either a completely new prominent article, or the drastic rise from a small article into an organized, complete, and detailed one.
Fantastic job Narfil! Here are some suggestions that popped into my head:
- Keeper of the Seventh Gate is good, I also like the sound of Guard of the Citadel.
- Personally I like the idea of requiring a higher percentage of votes to gain the rank, for Keeper of the Seventh Gate for example I might say 90% or even 100%. Maybe we can allow administrators to void one vote per admin or something similar. In my opinion if someone has a valid reason for not wanting to give someone the title it only makes sense to fix the problem before granting the title.
- Maybe we can think of a better title for Primary Awards, although I can't at the moment.
- We also might consider spreading out the edit gap for the Primary Awards, like 1,000 and 5,000 or something. Only 500 edits can be obtained fairly easily. Since the awards are so high on the ladder I almost want to raise the edits to 5,000 and 10,000 or something.
- and the creation of at least five prominent articles - I would consider changing this to something along the lines of and the drastically improving or something, as at some time all of the major articles will already be created.
- I think the idea for a month voting for an admin/primary/highest and two weeks for the rest is a good estimate for how long it would take.
- There are numerous ways we can vote, another way would be to have subheadings for "Support" and "Object", the user puts down their username under the heading of their choice and a reason if they want to, a reason would be required for Objections.
- I think we'll have to create a template for placing awards in userpages, like a trophy box. I also like the idea of having all the awards look a certain style and list the name of the award at the bottom of the image. Some 'template' for the image so it doesn't just look like a random picture.
You've got some great ideas though! I'll wait a few more days for everyone to respond and we'll move the information to a permanent page, I think voting should be held off until we get a few more regulars however. --Hyarion 22:58, 25 July 2006 (EDT)
- You just pointed out exactly what I forgot! The creation of an article is, at the voter's discretion, either a completely new prominent article, or the drastic rise from a small article into an organized, complete, and detailed one. The person would be "creating" the article, even if it were already in existance. There are only so many Tolkien subjects, you know, so we might have several other options. . .
- I had been thinking about raising the edit number. It might be a better idea to raise it up to 2000, 5000, and 10,000; or, if we want it simpler (considering that more is required than just a number of edits), 1000, 2500, and 5000. By Seventh Gate, I meant, by the way, the Great Gate of Gondolin; the Gate of Steel.
- I'll think about what you said about raising the percentage on the more important awards. It does sound good to me. Thanks for your feedback. --Narfil Palùrfalas 08:42, 26 July 2006 (EDT)
- Now, if you were to be nominated for a reward, would you be told on your talk page, or what? -Lord Aragorn1414 14:21, 26 July 2006 (EDT)
- Great question Aragorn. I think its a good idea to notify the person on the talk page, we can setup a "You have been nominated" template. However I think the person shouldn't be notified right a way because say for example they were nominated for Keeper of the Seventh Gate when they only had 56 edits and had been registered for 2 weeks, there is no point, so maybe after 24 hours we can add the template, or "at the users discretion" for adding it. --Hyarion 14:33, 26 July 2006 (EDT)
- Good idea. I like it. Now, if only we could get some graphics for the awards... -Lord Aragorn1414 14:53, 26 July 2006 (EDT)
- I'll be happy to do so. What I can do for most of the awards is find images, crop them, and upload them. We already have images for the Silima and Tilkal awards (unless someone objects to them; and I would still like to know Red or Green), and we should be able to find others for the other awards. For instance, I don't know of any Tolkien artist that did Aulë except Ted Nasmith. If we cropped the image so that it got his head and maybe a bit of the hammer. . . etc. --Narfil Palùrfalas 15:18, 26 July 2006 (EDT)
- Well, green is easier to see, but I think red looks best. shall we go with that? -Lord Aragorn1414 11:12, 27 July 2006 (EDT)
- I agree, green is easier to see. Is there anyway we can add some more color to the outline of the ring to give it more of a solid state? I also still like the idea of including all of the awards in a "template" which has maybe some kind of border, a specific size, and the name of the award at the bottom of the image. --Hyarion 11:39, 27 July 2006 (EDT)
- Yeah, that IS a good idea. Now, about that ring, maybe we could blend the red and green, so that it looks, in short, like what the Silmarillion said. Varying in different light. -Lord Aragorn1414 12:05, 27 July 2006 (EDT)
- I see what you mean about it being both red and green. Unfortunately, it mostly depends on the lighting I gave it. I could make Tilkal shine pretty much any color because of the lighting (and a little tweaking of the colors). I might be able to do something in Photoshop, though. --Narfil Palùrfalas 13:17, 27 July 2006 (EDT)
- Okay then. Let's give it a shot and see what we can do, shall we? -Lord Aragorn1414 11:51, 28 July 2006 (EDT)
- I'm sorry, but it won't work. We'll have to go with one or the other, or come up with something else. --Narfil Palùrfalas 16:08, 28 July 2006 (EDT)
- Alright then, green is my vote. Oh, one last question. When do these awards go into effect, or play, or whatever you want to call it? -Lord Aragorn1414 14:19, 3 August 2006 (EDT)
- Personally I think we should wait until we have a few more active contributors, at least 10 or so before having any kind of voting. --Hyarion 14:23, 3 August 2006 (EDT)
- We don't have that many yet? Wow, we need to get our name out there, don't we? So, when should the awards go into effect?-Lord Aragorn1414 12:23, 4 August 2006 (EDT)
- However long it takes to get some more contributors :) a month or two I would guess. But we also need to create images for all these awards. I know there's a lot of people out there who would contribute, it's just a matter of making them aware of the site, maybe we can talk to some Wookieepedians, a lot of SW fans are Tolkien fans too. --Hyarion 13:14, 4 August 2006 (EDT)
I have the award picture for Keeper of the Seventh Gate (I'm building it myself). But I need a little help. I need the translation of "Keeper of the Seventh Gate" into Quenya. As soon as I have that I'll upload an image of the project for your critizism. --Narfil Palùrfalas 16:47, 4 August 2006 (EDT)
Here's the Telchar award image. It doesn't look that great, but took a lot of work. Originally I had two pictures: that of a sword and that of a blacksmith hammering a small hook on an anvil. I wiped out the hook, then put the copy-and-paste sword-blade on top. Then, using a paintbrush, I tried to give it a "hot" look. If anyone has any better images, they would be welcome. --Narfil Palùrfalas 21:06, 4 August 2006 (EDT)
- Well, Narfil, I have a picture of a sword that looks a little more Tolkien-y. If you want to do some more work, I'll upload the pic and you can photoshop the image to fit. If not, then that's fine.-Lord Aragorn1414 16:45, 6 August 2006 (EDT)
- Well, the point is sort of to have a hot sword or like implement upon an anvil. The sword itself really doesn't have to be very interesting, so long as it isn't clearly un-Tolkienish. If you could find a picture better than mine, or a painting of Telchar, that might be better, though. . .--Narfil Palùrfalas 20:29, 6 August 2006 (EDT)
At last, after much time and work I have completed and uploaded the first stage of the Keeper of the Seventh Gate award.
It's based on what I always thought the Tolkien Gateway logo should look like. See the image page itself for my own comments. --Narfil Palùrfalas 15:43, 12 August 2006 (EDT)