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Morgan at 08:44, 11 February 2013

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	[[Tolklang]], [[Elfling]] and [[Lambengolmor]] are mailing lists dedicated to Tolkien linguistics.		[[Tolklang]], [[Elfling]] and [[Lambengolmor]] are mailing lists dedicated to Tolkien linguistics.
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		+	==See also==
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		+	*[[Portal:Languages]]

	==External links and references==		==External links and references==

Fredeghar at 08:35, 30 November 2012

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−	According to [[Pengolodh]], the sage of [[Gondolin]], the making of a '''language''' is the chief character of an [[Incarnate]]. The speaking peoples used languages to communicate. The first of those races were the [[Dwarves]] who were taught by [[Aulë]] and then the [[Elves]], called themselves [[Quendi\|Kwendî]], the "Speakers".	+	According to [[Pengolodh]], the sage of [[Gondolin]], the making of a '''language''' is the chief character of an [[Incarnate]]. The speaking peoples used languages to communicate. The first of those races were the [[Dwarves]] who were taught by [[Aulë]] and then the [[Elves]], who called themselves [[Quendi\|Kwendî]], the "Speakers".

−	In the history of [[Arda]], the tongues were separated as part of the peoples emigrating while others stay behind, leading to a split of [[Quenya]] (High-Elvish, or Elf-Latin) and [[Sindarin]].	+	In the history of [[Arda]], the [[Elvish]] tongues were separated as part of the peoples emigrating while others stay behind, leading to a split of [[Quenya]] (High-Elvish, or Elf-Latin) and [[Sindarin]].

	==Linguistic lore==		==Linguistic lore==

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List of languages

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	#****[[Nandorin]] languages (influenced by Avarin)		#****[[Nandorin]] languages (influenced by Avarin)
	#[[Mannish]] languages (all showed influence by Avarin tongues as well as [[Khuzdul]]):		#[[Mannish]] languages (all showed influence by Avarin tongues as well as [[Khuzdul]]):
−	#*Languages of forefathers of the First and Third Houses of the [[Atanatári]]	+	#*Languages of forefathers of the First and Third Houses of the [[Atanatári]] ("Northern Mannish")
	#**[[Taliska]] (two dialects)		#**[[Taliska]] (two dialects)
	#***[[Adûnaic]]		#***[[Adûnaic]]
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	#***[[Dale\|Dalish]]		#***[[Dale\|Dalish]]
	#***[[Rohirric]]		#***[[Rohirric]]
−	#*Language of forefathers of the Second House of the Atanatari	+	#*Language of forefathers of the Second House of the Atanatari ("Southern Mannish")
	#**[[Haladin]] language		#**[[Haladin]] language
	#**[[Dunlendish\|Dunlending language]]		#**[[Dunlendish\|Dunlending language]]

Sage: /* Inspiration */

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Inspiration

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	#*[[Valarin]]		#*[[Valarin]]
	#**[[Black Speech]], created by [[Sauron]]		#**[[Black Speech]], created by [[Sauron]]
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		+	==Other versions of the Legendarium==
		+	Tolkien's conceptions of the languages, like his mythology itself, changed through time. For older linguistic concepts see [[The Tree of Toungues]], [[Oromean]], [[Aulean]], [[Goldogrin]], [[Kornoldorin]], [[Noldorin]], [[Qenya]], [[Ilkorin]], [[Doriathrin]], [[Nandorin]] and [[Taliska]].

	==Inspiration==		==Inspiration==

Sage: /* Linguistic lore */

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Linguistic lore

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	==Linguistic lore==		==Linguistic lore==
−	In Quenya, ''[[lambë]]'' is the term for spoken language or verbal communiation while ''tengwesta'' is a more abstract term for a system or a code of signs and may be translated as "grammar".	+	In Quenya, ''[[lambë]]'' is the term for spoken language or verbal communiation while ''tengwesta'' is a more abstract term for a system or a code of signs and may be translated as "grammar". As [[Pengolodh]] noted, "The making of a lambe is the chief character of an Incarnate," including the [[Valar]].<ref>{{WJ\|AD1}}, p.397</ref>

	In [[Valinor]], the Elves began to be interested in the nature of their languages. These loremasters were called [[lambengolmor]]. Usually they would compare [[Quenya]] proper against [[Telerin]] and point out the original [[Primitive Quendian]].		In [[Valinor]], the Elves began to be interested in the nature of their languages. These loremasters were called [[lambengolmor]]. Usually they would compare [[Quenya]] proper against [[Telerin]] and point out the original [[Primitive Quendian]].

Ederchil at 20:40, 7 August 2012

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	In discussing the languages [[J.R.R. Tolkien\|Tolkien]] invented, it is necessary to consider two aspects: their "primary world" history, namely their literal development by Tolkien as a linguist, and their "[[secondary world]]" history, namely their imagined historical development in the history of Middle-earth.		In discussing the languages [[J.R.R. Tolkien\|Tolkien]] invented, it is necessary to consider two aspects: their "primary world" history, namely their literal development by Tolkien as a linguist, and their "[[secondary world]]" history, namely their imagined historical development in the history of Middle-earth.

−	Tolkien was a professional linguist and a specialist in the Old English language. He was also interested in many languages outside his field and developed a particular love for the Finnish language (he described the finding of a Finnish grammar book as "entering a complete wine-cellar filled with bottles of an amazing wine of a kind and flavour never tasted before"~~, ''[[The Letters of J~~.~~R.R. Tolkien]]'', number~~ 214).	+	Tolkien was a professional linguist and a specialist in the Old English language. He was also interested in many languages outside his field and developed a particular love for the Finnish language (he described the finding of a Finnish grammar book as "entering a complete wine-cellar filled with bottles of an amazing wine of a kind and flavour never tasted before".<ref>{{L\|214}}</ref>

−	Finnish morphology (particularly its rich system of inflection) in part gave rise to [[Quenya]]. Another of Tolkien's favorites was [[Welsh]] — and features of Welsh phonology found their way to [[Sindarin]]. Numerous words were borrowed from existing languages, but less and less obviously as Tolkien progressed. Words that are an exact match with existing Welsh words can be found in the early drafts of Tolkien’s manuscripts published as ''[[The History of Middle-earth]]'',<ref>[[Mark T. Hooker]], [[Tolkien and Welsh]]~~, Llyfrawr~~, p. viii</ref> but attempts to match a source to a particular Elvish word or name in works published during his lifetime are often very dubious.	+	Finnish morphology (particularly its rich system of inflection) in part gave rise to [[Quenya]]. Another of Tolkien's favorites was [[Welsh]] — and features of Welsh phonology found their way to [[Sindarin]]. Numerous words were borrowed from existing languages, but less and less obviously as Tolkien progressed. Words that are an exact match with existing Welsh words can be found in the early drafts of Tolkien’s manuscripts published as ''[[The History of Middle-earth]]'',<ref>[[Mark T. Hooker]], ''[[Tolkien and Welsh]]'', p. viii</ref> but attempts to match a source to a particular Elvish word or name in works published during his lifetime are often very dubious.

	Language-making was Tolkien's hobby for most of his life. He is known to have constructed his first languages (Animalic and Nevbosh) at a little over thirteen and he continued to ponder upon his creations up until his death more than sixty-five years later. Language invention had always been tightly connected to the mythology that Tolkien developed, as he found that a language could not be complete without the history of the people who spoke it, just as these people could never be fully realistic if imagined only through the English and as speaking English. Tolkien therefore took the stance of a translator and adaptor rather than that of the original author of his works.		Language-making was Tolkien's hobby for most of his life. He is known to have constructed his first languages (Animalic and Nevbosh) at a little over thirteen and he continued to ponder upon his creations up until his death more than sixty-five years later. Language invention had always been tightly connected to the mythology that Tolkien developed, as he found that a language could not be complete without the history of the people who spoke it, just as these people could never be fully realistic if imagined only through the English and as speaking English. Tolkien therefore took the stance of a translator and adaptor rather than that of the original author of his works.

KingAragorn: Many thanks!

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Many thanks!

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	*[http://www.abo.fi/~jolin/tolkien/ Tolkien's Pronunciation Recordings] Ardamir's Tolkien Homepage		*[http://www.abo.fi/~jolin/tolkien/ Tolkien's Pronunciation Recordings] Ardamir's Tolkien Homepage

−	~~<references/>~~	+	{{References}}
−	[[Category: Languages\| ]]	+
		+	[[Category:Languages\| ]]
	[[de:Sprachen]]		[[de:Sprachen]]
	[[fr:langues/langues]]		[[fr:langues/langues]]

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	*[http://www.abo.fi/~jolin/tolkien/ Tolkien's Pronunciation Recordings] Ardamir's Tolkien Homepage		*[http://www.abo.fi/~jolin/tolkien/ Tolkien's Pronunciation Recordings] Ardamir's Tolkien Homepage

		+	<references/>
	[[Category: Languages\| ]]		[[Category: Languages\| ]]
	[[de:Sprachen]]		[[de:Sprachen]]
	[[fr:langues/langues]]		[[fr:langues/langues]]

70.239.88.5: /* Inspiration */ added exact Welsh matches from HoMe with a cite to a source

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Inspiration: added exact Welsh matches from HoMe with a cite to a source

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	Tolkien was a professional linguist and a specialist in the Old English language. He was also interested in many languages outside his field and developed a particular love for the Finnish language (he described the finding of a Finnish grammar book as "entering a complete wine-cellar filled with bottles of an amazing wine of a kind and flavour never tasted before", ''[[The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien]]'', number 214).		Tolkien was a professional linguist and a specialist in the Old English language. He was also interested in many languages outside his field and developed a particular love for the Finnish language (he described the finding of a Finnish grammar book as "entering a complete wine-cellar filled with bottles of an amazing wine of a kind and flavour never tasted before", ''[[The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien]]'', number 214).

−	Finnish morphology (particularly its rich system of inflection) in part gave rise to [[Quenya]]. Another of Tolkien's favorites was [[Welsh]] — and features of Welsh phonology found their way to [[Sindarin]]. Numerous words were borrowed from existing languages, but less and less obviously as Tolkien progressed~~, so~~ that attempts to match a source to a particular Elvish word or name in works published during his lifetime are often very dubious.	+	Finnish morphology (particularly its rich system of inflection) in part gave rise to [[Quenya]]. Another of Tolkien's favorites was [[Welsh]] — and features of Welsh phonology found their way to [[Sindarin]]. Numerous words were borrowed from existing languages, but less and less obviously as Tolkien progressed. Words that are an exact match with existing Welsh words can be found in the early drafts of Tolkien’s manuscripts published as ''[[The History of Middle-earth]]'',<ref>[[Mark T. Hooker]], [[Tolkien and Welsh]], Llyfrawr, p. viii</ref> but attempts to match a source to a particular Elvish word or name in works published during his lifetime are often very dubious.

	Language-making was Tolkien's hobby for most of his life. He is known to have constructed his first languages (Animalic and Nevbosh) at a little over thirteen and he continued to ponder upon his creations up until his death more than sixty-five years later. Language invention had always been tightly connected to the mythology that Tolkien developed, as he found that a language could not be complete without the history of the people who spoke it, just as these people could never be fully realistic if imagined only through the English and as speaking English. Tolkien therefore took the stance of a translator and adaptor rather than that of the original author of his works.		Language-making was Tolkien's hobby for most of his life. He is known to have constructed his first languages (Animalic and Nevbosh) at a little over thirteen and he continued to ponder upon his creations up until his death more than sixty-five years later. Language invention had always been tightly connected to the mythology that Tolkien developed, as he found that a language could not be complete without the history of the people who spoke it, just as these people could never be fully realistic if imagined only through the English and as speaking English. Tolkien therefore took the stance of a translator and adaptor rather than that of the original author of his works.

Sage: /* Elvish scholarship */

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Elvish scholarship

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	==Elvish scholarship==		==Elvish scholarship==
		+	{{quote\|Indeed it would be the only fitting monument to a man who had to invent a whole world just to have a place where people could greet one another with the words ''Elen síla lúmenn' omentielvo''.\|[[Helge Fauskanger]], [http://folk.uib.no/hnohf/vice.htm Tolkien's Not-So-Secret Vice]}}
	Although the study of Tolkien's languages is as a rule not taken seriously by mainstream linguistics, a number of serious scholars have worked on compiling all that can be recovered about their histories and grammars.		Although the study of Tolkien's languages is as a rule not taken seriously by mainstream linguistics, a number of serious scholars have worked on compiling all that can be recovered about their histories and grammars.