https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Letter_to_Mrs_Munby&feed=atom&action=historyLetter to Mrs Munby - Revision history2024-03-19T06:09:53ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.39.3https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Letter_to_Mrs_Munby&diff=387964&oldid=prevLorenzoCB: Text replacement - "Letters not published in "The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien"" to "Letters not published in The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien"2024-03-18T08:31:21Z<p>Text replacement - "Letters not published in "The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien"" to "Letters not published in The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien"</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>"...the best general answer is that "The Lord of the Rings" is purely imaginary in scene and time (though not in the behaviour of the characters in the situations that they find themselves in). It is not possible to represent an "imaginary" world, and have answers for all the questions that may be asked about it..."</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>"...the best general answer is that "The Lord of the Rings" is purely imaginary in scene and time (though not in the behaviour of the characters in the situations that they find themselves in). It is not possible to represent an "imaginary" world, and have answers for all the questions that may be asked about it..."</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''Noting that Stephen Munby's questions are mainly concerned with "ancient history", Tolkien states his "points will all be made clearer when (if ever) I have time to complete and publish the legends of the earlier ages". The author then states his ideas of imaginary history and the layers of history behind this and, thereby, provides AN EXAMPLE OF HIS TREATMENT OF MYTHS AND HISTORY:'' </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''Noting that Stephen Munby's questions are mainly concerned with "ancient history", Tolkien states his "points will all be made clearer when (if ever) I have time to complete and publish the legends of the earlier ages". The author then states his ideas of imaginary history and the layers of history behind this and, thereby, provides AN EXAMPLE OF HIS TREATMENT OF MYTHS AND HISTORY:'' </div></td></tr>
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</table>Hyarionhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Letter_to_Mrs_Munby&diff=247641&oldid=prevMith: Updated the opening sentence2014-06-05T23:19:28Z<p>Updated the opening sentence</p>
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</table>Morganhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Letter_to_Mrs_Munby&diff=226270&oldid=prevMorgan at 12:46, 2 February 20132013-02-02T12:46:31Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>{{Blockquote|The letter is long, but in one place reads as follows: 'There must have been orc-women. But in stories that seldom if ever see the Orcs except as soldiers of armies in the service of the evil lords we naturally would not learn much about their lives. Not much was known'. Tolkien also goes on to discuss the use of the word 'goblin': 'In The Hobbit 'goblin' is used... but goblin is a fairly modern word, and very vague in its application to any sort of bogey in the dark.'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">}}</del><ref>{{webcite|author=[[Henry Gee]]|articleurl=http://greenbooks.theonering.net/guest/files/041305.html|articlename=The Science of Middle-earth: Sex and the Single Orc|dated=|website=[http://greenbooks.theonering.net/ GreenBooks.TheOneRing.net]|accessed=1 February 2013}}</ref></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>{{Blockquote|The letter is long, but in one place reads as follows: 'There must have been orc-women. But in stories that seldom if ever see the Orcs except as soldiers of armies in the service of the evil lords we naturally would not learn much about their lives. Not much was known'. Tolkien also goes on to discuss the use of the word 'goblin': 'In The Hobbit 'goblin' is used... but goblin is a fairly modern word, and very vague in its application to any sort of bogey in the dark.'<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">|[[J.R.R. Tolkien]]</ins><ref>{{webcite|author=[[Henry Gee]]|articleurl=http://greenbooks.theonering.net/guest/files/041305.html|articlename=The Science of Middle-earth: Sex and the Single Orc|dated=|website=[http://greenbooks.theonering.net/ GreenBooks.TheOneRing.net]|accessed=1 February 2013}}</ref><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">}}</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''Tolkien then confesses he does not enjoy "stories of an imaginary world that have not got any imaginary history". Returning to ''The Lord of the Rings'', Tolkien notes "...the story is really about Death and pity and Self-sacrifice" and comments on the apparent absence of God in the book.''</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''Tolkien then confesses he does not enjoy "stories of an imaginary world that have not got any imaginary history". Returning to ''The Lord of the Rings'', Tolkien notes "...the story is really about Death and pity and Self-sacrifice" and comments on the apparent absence of God in the book.''</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''There then follow eight numbered replies to original questions that concern actual history, use of [[Old English]] for the [[Rohan language|language of the Rohirrim]], Satan ("[[Sauron]] was one of the lesser spirits who had at one time served him..."), the "ultimate history of [[Men]]", orc-women, the invention of the name "[[orcs|orc]]" ("...in [[The Hobbit]] '[[Orc#Etymology|goblin]]' is used... but goblin is a fairly modern word, and very vague in its application to any sort of bogey in the dark...") and [[Calaquendi|high-elves]], etc.''<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">}}</del><ref name=Sotheby/></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''There then follow eight numbered replies to original questions that concern actual history, use of [[Old English]] for the [[Rohan language|language of the Rohirrim]], Satan ("[[Sauron]] was one of the lesser spirits who had at one time served him..."), the "ultimate history of [[Men]]", orc-women, the invention of the name "[[orcs|orc]]" ("...in [[The Hobbit]] '[[Orc#Etymology|goblin]]' is used... but goblin is a fairly modern word, and very vague in its application to any sort of bogey in the dark...") and [[Calaquendi|high-elves]], etc.''<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">|[[J.R.R. Tolkien]]</ins><ref name=Sotheby/><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">}}</ins></div></td></tr>
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