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*[[Ingwe]], [[Finwe]] and [[Elwe]], the three ambassadors of the Elves to [[Aman]], and later Kings of their people, were among the first 144 Elves who [[awakening of the Elves|awoke]] at [[Cuiviénen]].
 
*[[Ingwe]], [[Finwe]] and [[Elwe]], the three ambassadors of the Elves to [[Aman]], and later Kings of their people, were among the first 144 Elves who [[awakening of the Elves|awoke]] at [[Cuiviénen]].
 
**''[[The Silmarillion]]'' only says that [[Orome]] visited the Elves at Cuiviénen but does not clarify whether the three Lords were indeed firstborn or belonged to a second or later generation of the Elves who stayed there. It could be that the three Lords were born during the 500 [[coranar|years]] between the Awakening and Orome's invitation. The [[Cuivienyarna]] mentions that Elwe was ''born'' at Cuiviénen.<ref>{{WJ|Appendix}}</ref>
 
**''[[The Silmarillion]]'' only says that [[Orome]] visited the Elves at Cuiviénen but does not clarify whether the three Lords were indeed firstborn or belonged to a second or later generation of the Elves who stayed there. It could be that the three Lords were born during the 500 [[coranar|years]] between the Awakening and Orome's invitation. The [[Cuivienyarna]] mentions that Elwe was ''born'' at Cuiviénen.<ref>{{WJ|Appendix}}</ref>
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==[[Middle-earth]] is an underground world of the Hollow Earth==
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*Middle-earth is a world that exists inside the Earth. Tolkien's stories happen underground, at the center of the Hollow Earth, perhaps based on occult knowledge by Tolkien.<ref>[www.esoterica.gr/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1714 Example article] in a Greek occult forum</ref>
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**The misconception is explained by the Greek translation "[http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%9C%CE%AD%CF%83%CE%B7_%CE%93%CE%B7 Μέση-γη]". Although the stem "μέσ-" means ''middle'', it can be also be understood as ''inside''. The notion circulated mainly by the Greek press, especially concerned with the occult or the paranormal.
  
 
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It is made clear in the ''Silmarillion'' that the Earth is called ''Arda'' and Middle-earth is a continent. Arda is floating in space and has [[stars]], [[sun]] and [[moon]].<ref>{{S|Ainulindale}}</ref>. The term Middle-earth is explained geographically and it is "our earth, surrounded by the ocean"<ref>[[Dennis Gerrolt]], [http://www.lordotrings.com/interview.asp Tolkien's interview] to BBC, 1971</ref>
 
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Misconceptions have arisen over numerous concepts within J.R.R. Tolkien's legendarium as a result of mistakes made by secondary authors and of changes made by adaptations.

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Definition of First Age; Third Age "of the Sun"

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The Arkenstone was a Silmaril

  • The Arkenstone was a Silmaril, probably the one thrown into a fiery pit by Maedhros, and found its way (geologically?) to the north, to be rediscovered by the Khazad of Erebor. Tolkien wrote that the two lost Silmarils would remain lost until the end of Arda. However, in a partial translation of early Silmarillion texts into Old English Tolkien used the etymologically related term 'Eorclanstanas' ('holy stones') to translate 'Silmarils' - suggesting that he may have borrowed the name and other concepts from the Silmarils in describing the Arkenstone.

Arwen, the lastborn of the Elves

  • Arwen was the last Elf born in Middle-earth.
    • This concept derives from being the youngest Elf whose birth is mentioned in the Tale of Years, and perhaps from publicity for the films; but is never stated in the films or the books.

Legolas's age

  • Legolas is 2931 years old during the War of the Ring, and thus was born in T.A. 87.
    • This information also comes from film publicity and is never stated in the films or books. It may derive from the fact that Aragorn was born in the year T.A. 2931. The date of T.A. 87 for Legolas' birth agrees with another common fan theory, namely that Legolas was born during the period of peace at the beginning of the Third Age. Tolkien, never wrote about Legolas' birthdate.

Legolas hair color

  • Legolas is blond.
    • This is a visual tradition dating back to the works of the Brothers Hildebrandt in the 1970s and followed in both the animated and live action LotR films. However, Tolkien never specifies Legolas' hair color (although The Hobbit mentions that Thranduil, Legolas' father, was blond). Legolas' hair color is one of the most enduring controversies in Tolkien fandom.

Names of the Nazgûl

  • The names of all nine Nazgûl are known: Er-Murazor (the Witch-king of Angmar), Khamûl, Dwar of Waw, Ji Indur Dawndeath, Akhorahil, Hoarmurath, Adunaphel the Quiet (female), Ren the Unclean and Uvatha the Horseman.

It should be also noted that Tolkien's texts seemingly contradict the idea that one of the Nazgûl was a woman, with their consistent references as "Men" and "kings", although it could be argued that "Men" includes women and "kings" includes queens. Unsurprisingly, the film version of The Fellowship of the Ring shows all nine Nazgûl as men when they received their Rings of Power.

The War in the North

Hobbit feet

  • Hobbits have comparatively large, hairy feet.
    • Tolkien wrote: "their feet had tough leathery soles and were clad in a thick curling hair, much like the hair of their heads". Besides the hair, Tolkien doesn't mention that the size of their feet is disproportionally large; they are portrayed so in several adaptations, such as illustrations by the Brothers Hildebrandt and the movies, where the feet are actually prosthetics.

Déagol/Sméagol relationship

Gollum's age

  • Sméagol was born in the year 2430 of the Third Age, found the Ring on his 33rd birthday in 2463, and thus was 589 years old when he died in 3019.
    • 33 is the age a Shire Hobbit becomes officially an adult. Sméagol "found" the Ring on his birthday. The filmmakers evidently decided that the day Sméagol found the Ring was his 33rd birthday. However: Sméagol was not a Shire Hobbit, but a Stoor, and these had different customs - Tolkien states that the Stoors of Rhovanion received, and did not give gifts on their birthdays (in Unfinished Tales, The History of Middle-earth and Letters); and T.A. 2463 as the date of the discovery of the Ring is an approximate, not a precise date. Thus, there is no exact indication of Gollum's age in Tolkien's books. See http://www.theonering.net/movie/char/smeagol.html

Tengwar on Sting

  • The Sindarin words Maegnas aen estar nin dagnir in yngyl im are engraved on the blade of Sting. The worlds translate as "Maegnas (Sharp-point) is my name, I am the spider's bane".
  • The origin of this inscription is the depiction in the movies. In the books, Tolkien describes Sting as a rather plain weapon with a simple leather sheath. Unlike Glamdring and Orcrist, it bears no runes for Elrond to translate in The Hobbit. It first receives a name from Bilbo Baggins after he uses it against the giant spiders of Mirkwood.

Saruman, the creator of Uruk-hai

Saruman is believed to be the creator of the race of Uruk-hai (Uruks), the larger, stronger breed of Orcs. This is visualized in The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy which further established this view. The movie also established wrongly that "Uruk-hai" are a stronger race of Orcs, while in reality it is simply a Black Speech term for the Orcs proper themselves (excluding the Snaga).

In reality, the Uruks first appeared out of Mordor in the last years of Steward Denethor I, before T.A. 2475 and before Saruman settles in Orthanc[2].

The misconception originates from the fact that Saruman perhaps created a race of Orc-men or Men-Orcs in his service[3]. However these aren't the same as the Uruk-hai.

Dorwinion

Dorwinion was only mentioned in passing until it appeared on Pauline Baynes' 1969 map, where it was placed on the western shore of the Sea of Rhûn. But contrary to popular belief, it's location was not decided by Tolkien, but by Baynes. Tolkien had asked her to place several locations on the map, but did not specify the location. Baynes picked the location, and Tolkien agreed, though it was not the location he originally had in mind - several references to it place it in "the South". Christopher Tolkien later commented:

"Dorwinion is marked on the decorated map by Pauline Baynes, as a region on the North-western shores of the Sea of Rhun. It must be presumed that this, like other names on that map, was communicated to her by my father, but its placing seems surprising."
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Money

Gwaihir is the Great Eagle

  • The (unnamed) Lord of the Eagles from The Hobbit is identified in the Lord of the Rings as Gwaihir, as they are the same person.
    • This interpretation is stated by Robert Foster[6] and perhaps originates from the meaning of Gwaihir's name, which translates as "Windlord". However Tolkien never states that Gwaihir was the Lord of the Eagles and King of All Birds. Furthermore there are some problems with conflating the two characters:
      • The Great Eagle of The Hobbit is said to wear a golden crown[7] after the end of the book, but Gwaihir is not wearing one.
      • Near the end of Lord of the Rings Gandalf mentions that Gwaihir has carried him two times[8] (once from Orthanc and once from Celebdil); if Gwaihir was the Great Eagle, that would make it at least three times.

Gil-galad's father

Ingwe, Finwe and Elwe awoke at Cuiviénen

  • Ingwe, Finwe and Elwe, the three ambassadors of the Elves to Aman, and later Kings of their people, were among the first 144 Elves who awoke at Cuiviénen.
    • The Silmarillion only says that Orome visited the Elves at Cuiviénen but does not clarify whether the three Lords were indeed firstborn or belonged to a second or later generation of the Elves who stayed there. It could be that the three Lords were born during the 500 years between the Awakening and Orome's invitation. The Cuivienyarna mentions that Elwe was born at Cuiviénen.[9]

Middle-earth is an underground world of the Hollow Earth

  • Middle-earth is a world that exists inside the Earth. Tolkien's stories happen underground, at the center of the Hollow Earth, perhaps based on occult knowledge by Tolkien.[10]
    • The misconception is explained by the Greek translation "Μέση-γη". Although the stem "μέσ-" means middle, it can be also be understood as inside. The notion circulated mainly by the Greek press, especially concerned with the occult or the paranormal.

It is made clear in the Silmarillion that the Earth is called Arda and Middle-earth is a continent. Arda is floating in space and has stars, sun and moon.[11]. The term Middle-earth is explained geographically and it is "our earth, surrounded by the ocean"[12]

References

  1. Steuard Jensen, "Notes on David Day's Tolkien Books" , Tolkien metaFAQ (accessed 25 April 2014)
  2. J.R.R. Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings, Appendix A
  3. http://tolkien.slimy.com/faq/Creatures.html#Urukhai
  4. J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The Lays of Beleriand, "I. The Lay of the Children of Húrin"
  5. The Complete Guide to Middle-earth, entry "Money"
  6. The Complete Guide to Middle-earth entry "Gwaihir"
  7. J.R.R. Tolkien, The Hobbit, "Queer Lodgings"
  8. J.R.R. Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings, The Return of the King, "The Field of Cormallen"
  9. J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The War of the Jewels, "Part Four. Quendi and Eldar: Appendix: The legend of the Awaking of the Quendi (Cuivienyarna)"
  10. [www.esoterica.gr/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1714 Example article] in a Greek occult forum
  11. Dennis Gerrolt, Tolkien's interview to BBC, 1971