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This is a list of many such mistakes circulating in fandom and internet forums more or less like "urban legends", and their refutation.
This is a list of many such mistakes circulating in fandom and internet forums more or less like "urban legends", and their refutation.


==Examples==
==Definition of First Age; Third Age "of the Sun"==
===Definition of First Age; Third Age "of the Sun"===


*The [[First Age]] began with the first sunrise over [[Middle-earth]] and the events of ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' took place in the ''Third Age of the Sun''.
*The [[First Age]] began with the first sunrise over [[Middle-earth]] and the events of ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' took place in the ''Third Age of the Sun''.
**Actually, Tolkien never described his ages as being linked to the Sun and specifically wrote that the "First Age of the [[Children of Ilúvatar]]" began with the [[Awakening of the Elves]], long before the first sunrise. Despite this, many fans believe the 'Ages of the Sun' version is ''correct'' because it has been repeated so often. For example, it is found in ''[[Tolkien: The Illustrated Encyclopedia]]'' by [[David Day]], whose books are generally considered unreliable by Tolkien scholars on the internet such as Conrad Dunkerson and Steuard Jensen.  
**Actually, Tolkien never described his ages as being linked to the Sun and specifically wrote that the "First Age of the [[Children of Ilúvatar]]" began with the [[Awakening of the Elves]], long before the first sunrise. Despite this, many fans believe the 'Ages of the Sun' version is ''correct'' because it has been repeated so often. For example, it is found in ''[[Tolkien: The Illustrated Encyclopedia]]'' by [[David Day]], whose books are generally considered unreliable by Tolkien scholars on the internet such as Conrad Dunkerson and Steuard Jensen.  


===The Arkenstone was a Silmaril===
==The Arkenstone was a Silmaril==


*The [[Arkenstone]] was a [[Silmaril]], probably the one thrown into a fiery pit by Maedhros, and found its way (geologically?) to the north, to be rediscovered by the [[Khazad]] of [[Erebor]]. Tolkien wrote that the two lost Silmarils would remain lost until the end of Arda. However, in a partial translation of early Silmarillion texts into Old English Tolkien used the etymologically related term 'Eorclanstanas' ('holy stones') to translate 'Silmarils' - suggesting that he may have borrowed the name and other concepts from the Silmarils in describing the Arkenstone.
*The [[Arkenstone]] was a [[Silmaril]], probably the one thrown into a fiery pit by Maedhros, and found its way (geologically?) to the north, to be rediscovered by the [[Khazad]] of [[Erebor]]. Tolkien wrote that the two lost Silmarils would remain lost until the end of Arda. However, in a partial translation of early Silmarillion texts into Old English Tolkien used the etymologically related term 'Eorclanstanas' ('holy stones') to translate 'Silmarils' - suggesting that he may have borrowed the name and other concepts from the Silmarils in describing the Arkenstone.


===Elrond visits Elros in Númenor===
==Elrond visits Elros in Númenor==


*Late in the life of [[Elros]] his brother [[Elrond]] visited him in [[Númenor]] and was shocked to see how old he had grown, having chosen the mortality of [[Men]].
*Late in the life of [[Elros]] his brother [[Elrond]] visited him in [[Númenor]] and was shocked to see how old he had grown, having chosen the mortality of [[Men]].
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===Arwen, the lastborn of the Elves===  
==Arwen, the lastborn of the Elves==  


*Arwen was the last Elf born in Middle-earth.   
*Arwen was the last Elf born in Middle-earth.   
**This concept derives from publicity for the films, but is never stated in the films or the books.  
**This concept derives from publicity for the films, but is never stated in the films or the books.  


===Legolas's age===
==Legolas's age==


*Legolas is 2931 years old during the [[War of the Ring]], and thus was born in T.A. 87.   
*Legolas is 2931 years old during the [[War of the Ring]], and thus was born in T.A. 87.   
**This information also comes from film publicity and is never stated in the films or books.  It may derive from the fact that ''Aragorn'' was born in the ''year'' T.A. 2931.  The date of T.A. 87 for Legolas' birth agrees with another common fan theory, namely that Legolas was born during the period of peace at the beginning of the [[Third Age]].  This is neither confirmed nor denied by Tolkien, who never reveals Legolas' birthdate.
**This information also comes from film publicity and is never stated in the films or books.  It may derive from the fact that ''Aragorn'' was born in the ''year'' T.A. 2931.  The date of T.A. 87 for Legolas' birth agrees with another common fan theory, namely that Legolas was born during the period of peace at the beginning of the [[Third Age]].  This is neither confirmed nor denied by Tolkien, who never revealed Legolas' birthdate.
 
===Legolas hair color===


==Legolas hair color==
*Legolas is blond.
*Legolas is blond.
**This is a visual tradition dating back to the works of the [[Brothers Hildebrandt]] in the 1970s and followed in both the [[Ralph Bakshi's The Lord of the Rings|animated]] and [[Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings|live action]] LotR films.  However, Tolkien never specifies Legolas' hair color (although ''[[The Hobbit]]'' mentions that [[Thranduil]], Legolas' father, was blond).  Legolas' hair color is one of the most enduring controversies in [[Tolkien fandom]].
**This is a visual tradition dating back to the works of the [[Brothers Hildebrandt]] in the 1970s and followed in both the [[Ralph Bakshi's The Lord of the Rings|animated]] and [[Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings|live action]] LotR films.  However, Tolkien never specifies Legolas' hair color (although ''[[The Hobbit]]'' mentions that [[Thranduil]], Legolas' father, was blond).  Legolas' hair color is one of the most enduring controversies in [[Tolkien fandom]].


===Names of the Nazgûl===
==Names of the Nazgûl==


*The names of all nine [[Nazgûl]] are known:  Er-Murazor (the [[Witch-king of Angmar]]), [[Khamûl]], Dwar of Waw, Ji Indur Dawndeath, Akhorahil, Hoarmurath, Adunaphel the Quiet (female — see below), Ren the Unclean and Uvatha the Horseman.   
*The names of all nine [[Nazgûl]] are known:  Er-Murazor (the [[Witch-king of Angmar]]), [[Khamûl]], Dwar of Waw, Ji Indur Dawndeath, Akhorahil, Hoarmurath, Adunaphel the Quiet (female — see below), Ren the Unclean and Uvatha the Horseman.   
**In fact Tolkien recorded the name of only one Nazgûl:  Khamûl, the [[Black Rider]] who barely missed catching the [[Hobbits]] at [[Bucklebury Ferry]].  Even the personal name of the [[Witch-king of Angmar]] was not given by Tolkien, although some fans refer to him as "[[Angmar]]".  The names for the eight Nazgûl other than Khamûl which some fans think were coined by Tolkien were actually invented for the [[Middle-earth Role Playing]] game (MERP) published by [[Iron Crown Enterprises]] (ICE).
**In fact Tolkien recorded the name of only one Nazgûl:  Khamûl, the [[Black Rider]] who barely missed catching the [[Hobbits]] at [[Bucklebury Ferry]].  Even the personal name of the [[Witch-king of Angmar]] was not given by Tolkien, although some fans refer to him as "[[Angmar]]".  The names for the eight Nazgûl other than Khamûl which some fans think were coined by Tolkien were actually invented for the [[Middle-earth Role Playing]] game (MERP) published by [[Iron Crown Enterprises]] (ICE).


===A female Nazgûl===
==A female Nazgûl==
*One of the nine Nazgûl was female.   
*One of the nine Nazgûl was female.   
**This concept also comes from MERP.  Tolkien's texts seemingly contradict this idea with their consistent references to the Nazgûl as "Men" and "kings", although it could be argued that "Men" includes women and "kings" includes queens.  Unsurprisingly, the film version of ''[[Peter Jackson's The Fellowship of the Ring|The Fellowship of the Ring]]'' contradicts this idea by showing all nine Nazgûl as men when they received their [[Rings of Power]].
**This concept also comes from MERP.  Tolkien's texts seemingly contradict this idea with their consistent references to the Nazgûl as "Men" and "kings", although it could be argued that "Men" includes women and "kings" includes queens.  Unsurprisingly, the film version of ''[[Peter Jackson's The Fellowship of the Ring|The Fellowship of the Ring]]'' contradicts this idea by showing all nine Nazgûl as men when they received their [[Rings of Power]].


===Mrs. Thranduil===
==Mrs. Thranduil==
 
*The name of Legolas' mother is known.
*The name of Legolas' mother is known.
**In fact a name was coined for her for MERP, but never by Tolkien.
**In fact a name was coined for her for MERP, but never by Tolkien.


===The War in the North===
==The War in the North==


*The [[War of the Ring]] included a "War in the North", which involved fighting in [[Eriador]] and around [[Rivendell]].   
*The [[War of the Ring]] included a "War in the North", which involved fighting in [[Eriador]] and around [[Rivendell]].   
**This has been stated as fact by the writers of the films in a DVD commentary and has formed the basis for parts of the 2006 computer game ''[[The Lord of the Rings:  The Battle for Middle-earth II]]''.  However, although Tolkien mentions violent incidents around [[Bree]] during the War (not to mention the [[Scouring of the Shire]]), no extensive military campaign in Eriador is mentioned in the [[Tale of Years]] in Appendix B of ''The Lord of the Rings''.  Since the Tale of Years does mention the [[Battle of Dale]] and the fighting around [[Lothlórien]], it is clear that it would also have mentioned the "War in the North" if it had been part of Tolkien's conception.  Moreover, the section of Appendix A on the Dwarves includes comments by [[Gandalf]] to the effect that extensive, destructive fighting in Eriador was averted by the death of [[Smaug]] and the Battles of [[Battle of Five Armies|Five Armies]] and of [[Dale]].
**This has been stated as fact by the writers of the films in a DVD commentary and has formed the basis for parts of the 2006 computer game ''[[The Lord of the Rings:  The Battle for Middle-earth II]]''.  However, although Tolkien mentions violent incidents around [[Bree]] during the War (not to mention the [[Scouring of the Shire]]), no extensive military campaign in Eriador is mentioned in the [[Tale of Years]] in Appendix B of ''The Lord of the Rings''.  Since the Tale of Years does mention the [[Battle of Dale]] and the fighting around [[Lothlórien]], it is clear that it would also have mentioned the "War in the North" if it had been part of Tolkien's conception.  Moreover, the section of Appendix A on the Dwarves includes comments by [[Gandalf]] to the effect that extensive, destructive fighting in Eriador was averted by the death of [[Smaug]] and the Battles of [[Battle of Five Armies|Five Armies]] and of [[Dale]].


===The shape of Middle-earth===
==The shape of Middle-earth==


*The whole continent of [[Middle-earth]] resembles Europe with respective continents for Asia and Africa, while [[Valinor]] is in the place of the Americas and has a crescent shape.
*The whole continent of [[Middle-earth]] resembles Europe with respective continents for Asia and Africa, while [[Valinor]] is in the place of the Americas and has a crescent shape.
**This derives from ''[[The Atlas of Middle-earth]]'', which tried to composite a map of [[Arda]] based on a drawing by Tolkien (made in the late 1930s or early 40s and published in ''[[The Shaping of Middle-earth]]'') and the later well-known maps of [[Beleriand]] and the coasts of Middle-earth. Although this old map generally fits the descriptions of the canonical ''Silmarillion'', it is a matter of debate whether earlier concepts of Tolkien's can be used to fill the gaps of later works such as LotR. The Central American coastline does look somewhat like a crescent, but it is unlikely that Tolkien was influenced by it in choosing the shape for the shores of Valinor.
**This derives from ''[[The Atlas of Middle-earth]]'', which tried to composite a map of [[Arda]] based on a drawing by Tolkien (made in the late 1930s or early 40s and published in ''[[The Shaping of Middle-earth]]'') and the later well-known maps of [[Beleriand]] and the coasts of Middle-earth. Although this old map generally fits the descriptions of the canonical ''Silmarillion'', it is a matter of debate whether earlier concepts of Tolkien's can be used to fill the gaps of later works such as LotR. The Central American coastline does look somewhat like a crescent, but it is unlikely that Tolkien was influenced by it in choosing the shape for the shores of Valinor.


===Pointed ears===
==Pointed ears==
*Elves and Hobbits have pointed ears.  
*Elves have pointed ears.  
**This is nowhere stated in ''The Hobbit'', ''The Lord of the Rings'' and in ''The Silmarillion'', though Tolkien stated that Hobbit ears were pointed in a letter he wrote later about illustrations, and that Elven ears were pointed in the "[[The Etymologies (Tolkien)|Etymologies]]" published in ''[[The Lost Road]]''. See [[Elves]], [http://www.tolkiensociety.org/faq01.html#pointed_ears Tolkien FAQ].
**This is nowhere stated in ''The Hobbit'', ''The Lord of the Rings'' and in ''The Silmarillion'', though Tolkien stated that Hobbit ears were pointed in a letter he wrote later about illustrations, and that Elven ears were pointed in the "[[The Etymologies (Tolkien)|Etymologies]]" published in ''[[The Lost Road]]''. See [[Elves]], [http://www.tolkiensociety.org/faq01.html#pointed_ears Tolkien FAQ].


===Hobbit feet===
==Hobbit feet==


*Hobbits have huge feet.  
*Hobbits have huge feet.  
**Tolkien wrote: "their feet had tough leathery soles and were clad in a thick curling hair, much like the hair of their heads".  The idea that they have very large feet, as depicted in the movies, probably derives from illustrations by the [[Brothers Hildebrandt]].
**Tolkien wrote: "their feet had tough leathery soles and were clad in a thick curling hair, much like the hair of their heads".  The idea that they have very large feet, as depicted in the movies, probably derives from illustrations by the [[Brothers Hildebrandt]].


===Déagol/Sméagol relationship===
==Déagol/Sméagol relationship==
 
*Déagol is Sméagol's cousin.
*Déagol is Sméagol's cousin.
**Tolkien only calls him Sméagol's ''friend'' in ''The Lord of the Rings'', though in ''The Letters of J. R. R. Tolkien'' he writes that Déagol was "evidently a relative (as no doubt all the members of the small community were)" of Sméagol’s. This fanon probably dates from ''[[The Complete Guide to Middle-earth]]'' by [[Robert Foster]] and ''[[Tolkien: The Illustrated Encyclopedia]]'' by [[David Day]]. [http://greenbooks.theonering.net/questions/files/020101.html]
**Tolkien only calls him Sméagol's ''friend'' in ''The Lord of the Rings'', though in ''The Letters of J. R. R. Tolkien'' he writes that Déagol was "evidently a relative (as no doubt all the members of the small community were)" of Sméagol’s. This misconception probably dates from ''[[The Complete Guide to Middle-earth]]'' by [[Robert Foster]] and ''[[Tolkien: The Illustrated Encyclopedia]]'' by [[David Day]]. [http://greenbooks.theonering.net/questions/files/020101.html]


===Gollum's age===
==Gollum's age==
*Sméagol was born in the year 2430 of the Third Age, found the Ring on his 33rd birthday in 2463,  and thus was 589 years old when he died in 3019.
*Sméagol was born in the year 2430 of the Third Age, found the Ring on his 33rd birthday in 2463,  and thus was 589 years old when he died in 3019.
**33 is the age a Shire Hobbit becomes officially an adult. Sméagol "found" the Ring on his birthday. The filmmakers evidently decided that the day Sméagol found the Ring was his 33rd birthday. However: Sméagol was not a Shire Hobbit, but a Stoor, and these had different customs - Tolkien states that the  Stoors of Rhovanion received, and did not give gifts on their birthdays (in ''Unfinished Tales'', ''The History of Middle-earth'' and ''Letters''); and T.A. 2463 as the date of the discovery of the Ring is an approximate, not a precise date. Thus, there is no exact indication of Gollum's age in Tolkien's books. [http://www.theonering.net/movie/char/smeagol.html See http://www.theonering.net/movie/char/smeagol.html]<!--Borrowed from Gollum talk page on Wikipedia-->
**33 is the age a Shire Hobbit becomes officially an adult. Sméagol "found" the Ring on his birthday. The filmmakers evidently decided that the day Sméagol found the Ring was his 33rd birthday. However: Sméagol was not a Shire Hobbit, but a Stoor, and these had different customs - Tolkien states that the  Stoors of Rhovanion received, and did not give gifts on their birthdays (in ''Unfinished Tales'', ''The History of Middle-earth'' and ''Letters''); and T.A. 2463 as the date of the discovery of the Ring is an approximate, not a precise date. Thus, there is no exact indication of Gollum's age in Tolkien's books. [http://www.theonering.net/movie/char/smeagol.html See http://www.theonering.net/movie/char/smeagol.html]<!--Borrowed from Gollum talk page on Wikipedia-->


===Tengwar on Sting===
==Tengwar on Sting==
*The [[Sindarin]] words ''Maegnas aen estar nin dagnir in yngyl im'' are engraved on the blade of [[Sting]].  The worlds translate as "Maegnas (Sharp-point) is my name, I am the spider's bane".
*The origin of this inscription is the depiction in the movies. In the books, Tolkien describes Sting as a rather plain weapon with a simple leather sheath.  Unlike [[Glamdring]] and [[Orcrist]], it bears no runes for [[Elrond]] to translate in ''[[The Hobbit]]''. It first receives a name from [[Bilbo Baggins]] after he uses it against the giant spiders of [[Mirkwood]].


*The [[Sindarin]] words ''Maegnas aen estar nin dagnir in yngyl im'' are engraved on the blade of [[Sting]].  The worlds translate as "Maegnas (Sharp-point) is my name, I am the spider's bane".
**Tolkien describes Sting as a rather plain weapon with a simple leather sheath.  Unlike [[Glamdring]] and [[Orcrist]], it bears no runes for [[Elrond]] to translate in ''[[The Hobbit]]''.  It first receives a name from [[Bilbo Baggins]] after he uses it against the giant spiders of [[Mirkwood]].
**The origin of the runes appears to be the prop department for [[Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings]].
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Revision as of 22:24, 31 December 2009

Due to its complexity, Tolkien's legendarium is a subject of studies of various levels by secondary authors and analysts. Some parts of the legendarium also can be subject of misunderstandings by the readers and other misconceptions popularized by the authors and fanon works.

This is a list of many such mistakes circulating in fandom and internet forums more or less like "urban legends", and their refutation.

Definition of First Age; Third Age "of the Sun"

  • The First Age began with the first sunrise over Middle-earth and the events of The Lord of the Rings took place in the Third Age of the Sun.
    • Actually, Tolkien never described his ages as being linked to the Sun and specifically wrote that the "First Age of the Children of Ilúvatar" began with the Awakening of the Elves, long before the first sunrise. Despite this, many fans believe the 'Ages of the Sun' version is correct because it has been repeated so often. For example, it is found in Tolkien: The Illustrated Encyclopedia by David Day, whose books are generally considered unreliable by Tolkien scholars on the internet such as Conrad Dunkerson and Steuard Jensen.

The Arkenstone was a Silmaril

  • The Arkenstone was a Silmaril, probably the one thrown into a fiery pit by Maedhros, and found its way (geologically?) to the north, to be rediscovered by the Khazad of Erebor. Tolkien wrote that the two lost Silmarils would remain lost until the end of Arda. However, in a partial translation of early Silmarillion texts into Old English Tolkien used the etymologically related term 'Eorclanstanas' ('holy stones') to translate 'Silmarils' - suggesting that he may have borrowed the name and other concepts from the Silmarils in describing the Arkenstone.

Elrond visits Elros in Númenor

  • Late in the life of Elros his brother Elrond visited him in Númenor and was shocked to see how old he had grown, having chosen the mortality of Men.
    • An obscure note published in The Lost Road and Other Writings implies that Tolkien considered the possibility that Elrond and Elros originally sailed to Númenor together and that Elrond later returned to Middle-earth. However, there is no reference in Tolkien's writings to Elrond visiting Elros in his old age.


Arwen, the lastborn of the Elves

  • Arwen was the last Elf born in Middle-earth.
    • This concept derives from publicity for the films, but is never stated in the films or the books.

Legolas's age

  • Legolas is 2931 years old during the War of the Ring, and thus was born in T.A. 87.
    • This information also comes from film publicity and is never stated in the films or books. It may derive from the fact that Aragorn was born in the year T.A. 2931. The date of T.A. 87 for Legolas' birth agrees with another common fan theory, namely that Legolas was born during the period of peace at the beginning of the Third Age. This is neither confirmed nor denied by Tolkien, who never revealed Legolas' birthdate.

Legolas hair color

  • Legolas is blond.
    • This is a visual tradition dating back to the works of the Brothers Hildebrandt in the 1970s and followed in both the animated and live action LotR films. However, Tolkien never specifies Legolas' hair color (although The Hobbit mentions that Thranduil, Legolas' father, was blond). Legolas' hair color is one of the most enduring controversies in Tolkien fandom.

Names of the Nazgûl

A female Nazgûl

  • One of the nine Nazgûl was female.
    • This concept also comes from MERP. Tolkien's texts seemingly contradict this idea with their consistent references to the Nazgûl as "Men" and "kings", although it could be argued that "Men" includes women and "kings" includes queens. Unsurprisingly, the film version of The Fellowship of the Ring contradicts this idea by showing all nine Nazgûl as men when they received their Rings of Power.

Mrs. Thranduil

  • The name of Legolas' mother is known.
    • In fact a name was coined for her for MERP, but never by Tolkien.

The War in the North

  • The War of the Ring included a "War in the North", which involved fighting in Eriador and around Rivendell.
    • This has been stated as fact by the writers of the films in a DVD commentary and has formed the basis for parts of the 2006 computer game The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth II. However, although Tolkien mentions violent incidents around Bree during the War (not to mention the Scouring of the Shire), no extensive military campaign in Eriador is mentioned in the Tale of Years in Appendix B of The Lord of the Rings. Since the Tale of Years does mention the Battle of Dale and the fighting around Lothlórien, it is clear that it would also have mentioned the "War in the North" if it had been part of Tolkien's conception. Moreover, the section of Appendix A on the Dwarves includes comments by Gandalf to the effect that extensive, destructive fighting in Eriador was averted by the death of Smaug and the Battles of Five Armies and of Dale.

The shape of Middle-earth

  • The whole continent of Middle-earth resembles Europe with respective continents for Asia and Africa, while Valinor is in the place of the Americas and has a crescent shape.
    • This derives from The Atlas of Middle-earth, which tried to composite a map of Arda based on a drawing by Tolkien (made in the late 1930s or early 40s and published in The Shaping of Middle-earth) and the later well-known maps of Beleriand and the coasts of Middle-earth. Although this old map generally fits the descriptions of the canonical Silmarillion, it is a matter of debate whether earlier concepts of Tolkien's can be used to fill the gaps of later works such as LotR. The Central American coastline does look somewhat like a crescent, but it is unlikely that Tolkien was influenced by it in choosing the shape for the shores of Valinor.

Pointed ears

  • Elves have pointed ears.
    • This is nowhere stated in The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings and in The Silmarillion, though Tolkien stated that Hobbit ears were pointed in a letter he wrote later about illustrations, and that Elven ears were pointed in the "Etymologies" published in The Lost Road. See Elves, Tolkien FAQ.

Hobbit feet

  • Hobbits have huge feet.
    • Tolkien wrote: "their feet had tough leathery soles and were clad in a thick curling hair, much like the hair of their heads". The idea that they have very large feet, as depicted in the movies, probably derives from illustrations by the Brothers Hildebrandt.

Déagol/Sméagol relationship

Gollum's age

  • Sméagol was born in the year 2430 of the Third Age, found the Ring on his 33rd birthday in 2463, and thus was 589 years old when he died in 3019.
    • 33 is the age a Shire Hobbit becomes officially an adult. Sméagol "found" the Ring on his birthday. The filmmakers evidently decided that the day Sméagol found the Ring was his 33rd birthday. However: Sméagol was not a Shire Hobbit, but a Stoor, and these had different customs - Tolkien states that the Stoors of Rhovanion received, and did not give gifts on their birthdays (in Unfinished Tales, The History of Middle-earth and Letters); and T.A. 2463 as the date of the discovery of the Ring is an approximate, not a precise date. Thus, there is no exact indication of Gollum's age in Tolkien's books. See http://www.theonering.net/movie/char/smeagol.html

Tengwar on Sting

  • The Sindarin words Maegnas aen estar nin dagnir in yngyl im are engraved on the blade of Sting. The worlds translate as "Maegnas (Sharp-point) is my name, I am the spider's bane".
  • The origin of this inscription is the depiction in the movies. In the books, Tolkien describes Sting as a rather plain weapon with a simple leather sheath. Unlike Glamdring and Orcrist, it bears no runes for Elrond to translate in The Hobbit. It first receives a name from Bilbo Baggins after he uses it against the giant spiders of Mirkwood.