Neo-Elvish - Revision history

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	==External links==		==External links==
		+	*[http://midgardsmal.com/ Midgardsmal] - David Salo's blog concerning [[neo-Elvish]] in [[Peter Jackson]]'s movies.
	*[http://www.realelvish.net Merin Essi ar Quenteli] - Lists of words, names, phrases and tutorials, intended for writers of fan fiction and RPGamers.		*[http://www.realelvish.net Merin Essi ar Quenteli] - Lists of words, names, phrases and tutorials, intended for writers of fan fiction and RPGamers.
	*[[Thorsten Renk]]'s [http://www.phy.duke.edu/~trenk/elvish/rogue.html A rogue's guide to Sindarin reconstruction] - Inquiry on the creation of Neo-Sindarin words, with examples of deriving one from Primitive Quendian.		*[[Thorsten Renk]]'s [http://www.phy.duke.edu/~trenk/elvish/rogue.html A rogue's guide to Sindarin reconstruction] - Inquiry on the creation of Neo-Sindarin words, with examples of deriving one from Primitive Quendian.

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	*[[Thorsten Renk]]'s [http://www.phy.duke.edu/~trenk/elvish/rogue.html A rogue's guide to Sindarin reconstruction] - Inquiry on the creation of Neo-Sindarin words, with examples of deriving one from Primitive Quendian.		*[[Thorsten Renk]]'s [http://www.phy.duke.edu/~trenk/elvish/rogue.html A rogue's guide to Sindarin reconstruction] - Inquiry on the creation of Neo-Sindarin words, with examples of deriving one from Primitive Quendian.
	*[http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/language.htm Gwaith-i-Pethdain] - Page with essays, reconstructions, Neo-Elvish wordlists and a big list of Neo-Elvish texts.		*[http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/language.htm Gwaith-i-Pethdain] - Page with essays, reconstructions, Neo-Elvish wordlists and a big list of Neo-Elvish texts.
−	**[http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/movie_news.htm Language in the ''Lord of the Rings'' movie] - analysis of the Elvish dialogues and texts featured in [[The Lord of the Rings: The ~~Motion Picture Trilogy~~]].	+	**[http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/movie_news.htm Language in the ''Lord of the Rings'' movie] - analysis of the Elvish dialogues and texts featured in [[The Lord of the Rings (film series)\|''The Lord of the Rings'' (film series)]].
	*[http://www.elvish.org/elm/newwords.html Newwords] - sample of Neo-Elvish vocabulary		*[http://www.elvish.org/elm/newwords.html Newwords] - sample of Neo-Elvish vocabulary
	*[http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/ppq.htm Parma Penyane Quettaron] - More expanded Neo-Elvish vocabulary, maintained by [[Boris Shapiro]] until 2003		*[http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/ppq.htm Parma Penyane Quettaron] - More expanded Neo-Elvish vocabulary, maintained by [[Boris Shapiro]] until 2003

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Overview of the problem

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	In his youth, Tolkien composed a grammar on the language called [[Goldogrin]]. He also attempted to compose an [[Adûnaic]] grammar which he left unfinished. Other than these, he did not leave behind a definite set of rules for his later languages (which we would accept as "canonical") because he did not intend to create them with the purpose to be usable. As a result, the information gathered posthumously from his notes might seem like fluid and fragmentary to someone who seeks to see a possible 'whole picture'. The absence of a final, canonical Quenya or Sindarin has the consequence that anyone attempting to compile a grammar, would eventually create a conventional and subjective grammar.		In his youth, Tolkien composed a grammar on the language called [[Goldogrin]]. He also attempted to compose an [[Adûnaic]] grammar which he left unfinished. Other than these, he did not leave behind a definite set of rules for his later languages (which we would accept as "canonical") because he did not intend to create them with the purpose to be usable. As a result, the information gathered posthumously from his notes might seem like fluid and fragmentary to someone who seeks to see a possible 'whole picture'. The absence of a final, canonical Quenya or Sindarin has the consequence that anyone attempting to compile a grammar, would eventually create a conventional and subjective grammar.

−	In order to 'fill the gaps', such a person would rely on speculation, personal instinct and widely subjective interpretation. Coping with Tolkien's continuous mutually exclusive revisions, the student would be forced to become selective and follow some priorities; this usually means a tendecy to reject Tolkien's older, temporary or 'anomalous' conceptions in favor of those that (for ~~some~~ reason) seem most stable and plausibly canonical.	+	In order to 'fill the gaps', such a person would rely on speculation, personal instinct and widely subjective interpretation. Coping with Tolkien's continuous mutually exclusive revisions, the student would be forced to become selective and follow some priorities; this usually means a tendecy to reject Tolkien's older, temporary or 'anomalous' conceptions in favor of those that (for whatever reason) seem most stable and plausibly canonical.

	For example, [[Helge Fauskanger]]'s grammar of Quenya, being such an attempt, is described as a: "''synthetic and regularized form of Quenya formed by the selective piecing-together of evidences from across decades of Tolkien's successive versions and elaborations of Quenya''".<ref name="resources">[http://www.elvish.org/resources.html Resources for Tolkienian linguistics] at [http://www.elvish.org/ The Elvish Linguistic Fellowship] (accessed 16 June 2011)</ref>		For example, [[Helge Fauskanger]]'s grammar of Quenya, being such an attempt, is described as a: "''synthetic and regularized form of Quenya formed by the selective piecing-together of evidences from across decades of Tolkien's successive versions and elaborations of Quenya''".<ref name="resources">[http://www.elvish.org/resources.html Resources for Tolkienian linguistics] at [http://www.elvish.org/ The Elvish Linguistic Fellowship] (accessed 16 June 2011)</ref>

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−	[[File:Parma Eldalamberon 10.jpg\|thumb\|Cover of [[Parma Eldalamberon 10]], illustrated by [[Patrick H. Wynne]]. The left part is occupied by a [[Tengwar]] text ~~in neo-Quenya~~ describing the death of [[Glorfindel]] (''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part Two]]'', p.194).]]	+	[[File:Parma Eldalamberon 10.jpg\|thumb\|Cover of [[Parma Eldalamberon 10]], illustrated by [[Patrick H. Wynne]]. The left part is occupied by a [[Tengwar]] text describing the death of [[Glorfindel]] (''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part Two]]'', p.194) translated into Quenya.]]
	'''Neo-[[Quenya]]''' and/or '''Neo-[[Sindarin]]''' (collectivelly also called '''Neo-[[Elvish]]''') represent attempts of post-Tolkien use of the Elvish languages. The attempts include a productive standardization, regularization and even reconstruction of [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s languages with the intent to be taught, studied and be used in [[fanfic]] compositions or even in dialogue. The terms Neo- arose so as to distinguish those attempts from the [[canon]]ical creations by Tolkien.		'''Neo-[[Quenya]]''' and/or '''Neo-[[Sindarin]]''' (collectivelly also called '''Neo-[[Elvish]]''') represent attempts of post-Tolkien use of the Elvish languages. The attempts include a productive standardization, regularization and even reconstruction of [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s languages with the intent to be taught, studied and be used in [[fanfic]] compositions or even in dialogue. The terms Neo- arose so as to distinguish those attempts from the [[canon]]ical creations by Tolkien.

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	[[File:Parma Eldalamberon 10.jpg\|thumb\|Cover of [[Parma Eldalamberon 10]], illustrated by [[Patrick H. Wynne]]. The left part is occupied by a [[Tengwar]] text in neo-Quenya describing the death of [[Glorfindel]] (''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part Two]]'', p.194).]]		[[File:Parma Eldalamberon 10.jpg\|thumb\|Cover of [[Parma Eldalamberon 10]], illustrated by [[Patrick H. Wynne]]. The left part is occupied by a [[Tengwar]] text in neo-Quenya describing the death of [[Glorfindel]] (''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part Two]]'', p.194).]]
−	'''Neo-[[~~Elvish~~]]''' ~~is a term that can refer to~~ '''Neo-[[~~Quenya~~]]''' ~~and/or~~ '''Neo-[[~~Sindarin~~]]'''~~. Neo~~-Elvish ~~encompasses~~ attempts ~~to productively standardize~~, ~~regularize~~ and even ~~reconstruct~~ [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s languages with the intent to be taught, studied and be used in [[~~fanon~~]] compositions. The terms Neo-~~Quenya, Neo-Sindarin etc.~~ arose so as to distinguish those attempts from the [[canon]]ical creations by Tolkien.	+	'''Neo-[[Quenya]]''' and/or '''Neo-[[Sindarin]]''' (collectivelly also called '''Neo-[[Elvish]]''') represent attempts of post-Tolkien use of the Elvish languages. The attempts include a productive standardization, regularization and even reconstruction of [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s languages with the intent to be taught, studied and be used in [[fanfic]] compositions or even in dialogue. The terms Neo- arose so as to distinguish those attempts from the [[canon]]ical creations by Tolkien.

−	It must be noted that Neo-Elvish does not refer to original ''a priori'' creations; Neo-Elvish forms and grammar emerge from comparative and ~~reconstruction~~ methods from the canonical sources, albeit ~~sometimes arbitrarily~~.	+	It must be noted that Neo-Elvish does not refer to original ''a priori'' creations; Neo-Elvish forms and grammar emerge from comparative and reconstructive methods from the canonical sources, albeit with varying arbitrarity.
	==Overview of the problem==		==Overview of the problem==
−	Tolkien did not leave behind a definite set of rules for his languages which we would accept as "canonical" because he did not intend to create them with the purpose to be usable. As a result, the information gathered posthumously from his notes might seem like fluid and fragmentary to someone who seeks to see a possible 'whole picture'. The absence of a final, canonical Quenya or Sindarin has the consequence that anyone attempting to compile a grammar, would eventually create a conventional and subjective grammar.	+	In his youth, Tolkien composed a grammar on the language called [[Goldogrin]]. He also attempted to compose an [[Adûnaic]] grammar which he left unfinished. Other than these, he did not leave behind a definite set of rules for his later languages (which we would accept as "canonical") because he did not intend to create them with the purpose to be usable. As a result, the information gathered posthumously from his notes might seem like fluid and fragmentary to someone who seeks to see a possible 'whole picture'. The absence of a final, canonical Quenya or Sindarin has the consequence that anyone attempting to compile a grammar, would eventually create a conventional and subjective grammar.

	In order to 'fill the gaps', such a person would rely on speculation, personal instinct and widely subjective interpretation. Coping with Tolkien's continuous mutually exclusive revisions, the student would be forced to become selective and follow some priorities; this usually means a tendecy to reject Tolkien's older, temporary or 'anomalous' conceptions in favor of those that (for some reason) seem most stable and plausibly canonical.		In order to 'fill the gaps', such a person would rely on speculation, personal instinct and widely subjective interpretation. Coping with Tolkien's continuous mutually exclusive revisions, the student would be forced to become selective and follow some priorities; this usually means a tendecy to reject Tolkien's older, temporary or 'anomalous' conceptions in favor of those that (for some reason) seem most stable and plausibly canonical.

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	===Critical===		===Critical===
	*[http://www.elvish.org/FAQ.html Elvish.org FAQ] — Article by [[Carl F. Hostetter]]. Presents a succinct counterpoint citing Tolkien's own views of the purpose, completeness and usability of his languages.		*[http://www.elvish.org/FAQ.html Elvish.org FAQ] — Article by [[Carl F. Hostetter]]. Presents a succinct counterpoint citing Tolkien's own views of the purpose, completeness and usability of his languages.
−	*"[http://www.elvish.org/articles/EASIS.pdf Elvish as She Is Spoke]" — Article by Carl F. Hostetter. A thorough examination of Tolkien's purposes in inventing his Elvish languages and his practices in describing them, their consequent nature, and the inherent pitfalls in any attempt to "speak Elvish". Republished with permission from ''[[The Lord of the Rings ~~1954–2004~~: Scholarship in Honor of Richard E. Blackwelder]]'' ([[Marquette]], [[2006]]), ed. [[Wayne G. Hammond]] and [[Christina Scull]].	+	*"[http://www.elvish.org/articles/EASIS.pdf Elvish as She Is Spoke]" — Article by Carl F. Hostetter. A thorough examination of Tolkien's purposes in inventing his Elvish languages and his practices in describing them, their consequent nature, and the inherent pitfalls in any attempt to "speak Elvish". Republished with permission from ''[[The Lord of the Rings 1954-2004\|The Lord of the Rings 1954-2004: Scholarship in Honor of Richard E. Blackwelder]]'' ([[Marquette]], [[2006]]), ed. [[Wayne G. Hammond]] and [[Christina Scull]].
	*"[http://www.elvish.org/Tengwestie/editorials/20040404.phtml Are Goldogrin and Qenya “primitive”?]" by [[Patrick H. Wynne]] - criticizing the usual selectivity of "LotR-style" Elvish over early forms of "immature" Elvish.		*"[http://www.elvish.org/Tengwestie/editorials/20040404.phtml Are Goldogrin and Qenya “primitive”?]" by [[Patrick H. Wynne]] - criticizing the usual selectivity of "LotR-style" Elvish over early forms of "immature" Elvish.
	[[Category:fanon]][[Category:fandom]][[Category:linguistics]]		[[Category:fanon]][[Category:fandom]][[Category:linguistics]]

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Vocabulary

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	''(Neo-Elvish words are marked with a #)''		''(Neo-Elvish words are marked with a #)''
	*Analyse the etymology of a compound word and isolate the words it is composed of.		*Analyse the etymology of a compound word and isolate the words it is composed of.
−	::Examples are #''hantale'' "thanksgiving" from ''[[Eruhantale]]'', which can further be analysed to derive from #''hanta-'' "to thank" (cf. ''maptale'' "seizure" from ''mapta-'' "to seize"<ref>{{PE\|13}}, p.163</ref>. Another example is #''[[corma]]'' "ring" from the compound ''[[corma\|Cormacolindor]]" "[[Ring-bearer]]s".<ref>[[Helge Fauskanger]]'s ''[http://folk.uib.no/hnohf/quen-eng.htm Quettaparma Quenyallo]''</ref>	+	::Examples are #''hantale'' "thanksgiving" from ''[[Eruhantale]]'', which can further be analysed to derive from #''hanta-'' "to thank" (cf. ''maptale'' "seizure" from ''mapta-'' "to seize"<ref>{{PE\|13}}, p.163</ref>. Another example is #''[[corma]]'' "ring" from the compound ''[[corma\|Cormacolindor]]'' "[[Ring-bearer]]s".<ref>[[Helge Fauskanger]]'s ''[http://folk.uib.no/hnohf/quen-eng.htm Quettaparma Quenyallo]''</ref>

	*Combine a known word-stem with a known [[:Category:affixes\|affix]].		*Combine a known word-stem with a known [[:Category:affixes\|affix]].

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	''(Neo-Elvish words are marked with a #)''		''(Neo-Elvish words are marked with a #)''
	*Analyse the etymology of a compound word and isolate the words it is composed of.		*Analyse the etymology of a compound word and isolate the words it is composed of.
−	::Examples are #''hantale'' "thanksgiving" from ''[[Eruhantale]]'', which can further be analysed to derive from #''hanta-'' "to thank" (cf. ''maptale'' "seizure" from ''mapta-'' "to seize"<ref>{{PE\|13}}, p.163</ref>. Another example is #''corma'' "ring" from the compound ''[[~~Cormacolindo~~]]r" "[[Ring-bearer]]s".<ref>[[Helge Fauskanger]]'s ''[http://folk.uib.no/hnohf/quen-eng.htm Quettaparma Quenyallo]''</ref>	+	::Examples are #''hantale'' "thanksgiving" from ''[[Eruhantale]]'', which can further be analysed to derive from #''hanta-'' "to thank" (cf. ''maptale'' "seizure" from ''mapta-'' "to seize"<ref>{{PE\|13}}, p.163</ref>. Another example is #''[[corma]]'' "ring" from the compound ''[[corma\|Cormacolindor]]" "[[Ring-bearer]]s".<ref>[[Helge Fauskanger]]'s ''[http://folk.uib.no/hnohf/quen-eng.htm Quettaparma Quenyallo]''</ref>

	*Combine a known word-stem with a known [[:Category:affixes\|affix]].		*Combine a known word-stem with a known [[:Category:affixes\|affix]].

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Overview of the problem

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	Tolkien did not leave behind a definite set of rules for his languages which we would accept as "canonical" because he did not intend to create them with the purpose to be usable. As a result, the information gathered posthumously from his notes might seem like fluid and fragmentary to someone who seeks to see a possible 'whole picture'. The absence of a final, canonical Quenya or Sindarin has the consequence that anyone attempting to compile a grammar, would eventually create a conventional and subjective grammar.		Tolkien did not leave behind a definite set of rules for his languages which we would accept as "canonical" because he did not intend to create them with the purpose to be usable. As a result, the information gathered posthumously from his notes might seem like fluid and fragmentary to someone who seeks to see a possible 'whole picture'. The absence of a final, canonical Quenya or Sindarin has the consequence that anyone attempting to compile a grammar, would eventually create a conventional and subjective grammar.

−	In order to 'fill the gaps', such a person would rely on speculation, personal instinct and widely subjective interpretation~~; coping~~ with Tolkien's continuous mutually exclusive revisions, the student would follow some priorities ~~and be selective~~; this usually means a tendecy to reject Tolkien's older, temporary or 'anomalous' conceptions in favor of those that (for some reason) seem most stable and plausibly canonical.	+	In order to 'fill the gaps', such a person would rely on speculation, personal instinct and widely subjective interpretation. Coping with Tolkien's continuous mutually exclusive revisions, the student would be forced to become selective and follow some priorities; this usually means a tendecy to reject Tolkien's older, temporary or 'anomalous' conceptions in favor of those that (for some reason) seem most stable and plausibly canonical.

	For example, [[Helge Fauskanger]]'s grammar of Quenya, being such an attempt, is described as a: "''synthetic and regularized form of Quenya formed by the selective piecing-together of evidences from across decades of Tolkien's successive versions and elaborations of Quenya''".<ref name="resources">[http://www.elvish.org/resources.html Resources for Tolkienian linguistics] at [http://www.elvish.org/ The Elvish Linguistic Fellowship] (accessed 16 June 2011)</ref>		For example, [[Helge Fauskanger]]'s grammar of Quenya, being such an attempt, is described as a: "''synthetic and regularized form of Quenya formed by the selective piecing-together of evidences from across decades of Tolkien's successive versions and elaborations of Quenya''".<ref name="resources">[http://www.elvish.org/resources.html Resources for Tolkienian linguistics] at [http://www.elvish.org/ The Elvish Linguistic Fellowship] (accessed 16 June 2011)</ref>

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Overview of the problem

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	It must be noted that Neo-Elvish does not refer to original ''a priori'' creations; Neo-Elvish forms and grammar emerge from comparative and reconstruction methods from the canonical sources, albeit sometimes arbitrarily.		It must be noted that Neo-Elvish does not refer to original ''a priori'' creations; Neo-Elvish forms and grammar emerge from comparative and reconstruction methods from the canonical sources, albeit sometimes arbitrarily.
	==Overview of the problem==		==Overview of the problem==
−	Tolkien did not leave behind a definite set of rules for his languages which we would ~~not deem~~ as "canonical" because he did not intend to create them with the purpose to be usable. As a result, the information gathered posthumously from his notes might seem like fluid and fragmentary to someone who seeks to see a possible 'whole picture'. The absence of a final, canonical Quenya or Sindarin has the consequence that anyone attempting to ~~compose an e.g. Quenya~~ grammar, would eventually create a conventional~~, Neo-Quenya~~ grammar.	+	Tolkien did not leave behind a definite set of rules for his languages which we would accept as "canonical" because he did not intend to create them with the purpose to be usable. As a result, the information gathered posthumously from his notes might seem like fluid and fragmentary to someone who seeks to see a possible 'whole picture'. The absence of a final, canonical Quenya or Sindarin has the consequence that anyone attempting to compile a grammar, would eventually create a conventional and subjective grammar.

−	In order to 'fill the gaps', such a person would rely on speculation, personal instinct and widely subjective interpretation; coping with Tolkien's continuous mutually exclusive revisions, the student would ~~choose~~ to reject Tolkien's older, temporary or 'anomalous' conceptions in ~~order to keep the~~ most plausibly canonical.	+	In order to 'fill the gaps', such a person would rely on speculation, personal instinct and widely subjective interpretation; coping with Tolkien's continuous mutually exclusive revisions, the student would follow some priorities and be selective; this usually means a tendecy to reject Tolkien's older, temporary or 'anomalous' conceptions in favor of those that (for some reason) seem most stable and plausibly canonical.

	For example, [[Helge Fauskanger]]'s grammar of Quenya, being such an attempt, is described as a: "''synthetic and regularized form of Quenya formed by the selective piecing-together of evidences from across decades of Tolkien's successive versions and elaborations of Quenya''".<ref name="resources">[http://www.elvish.org/resources.html Resources for Tolkienian linguistics] at [http://www.elvish.org/ The Elvish Linguistic Fellowship] (accessed 16 June 2011)</ref>		For example, [[Helge Fauskanger]]'s grammar of Quenya, being such an attempt, is described as a: "''synthetic and regularized form of Quenya formed by the selective piecing-together of evidences from across decades of Tolkien's successive versions and elaborations of Quenya''".<ref name="resources">[http://www.elvish.org/resources.html Resources for Tolkienian linguistics] at [http://www.elvish.org/ The Elvish Linguistic Fellowship] (accessed 16 June 2011)</ref>