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'''Noldorin''' is the early name of the [[Sindarin]] language made by [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]. Its structure, history and background were different in the early versions of the mythos.
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'''Noldorin''' is an [[Elvish]] dialect from an earlier version of the [[legendarium]], a precursor to [[Sindarin]].
 
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In the newer version of the mythos, Noldorin can define the [[Quenya]] dialect of the [[Noldor]] (in contrast to the [[Vanyarin]] dialect).
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==History==
 
==History==
According to the background of the early [[legendarium]], Noldorin derived from the [[Old Noldorin]], the language spoken by the [[Gnomes]]/[[Noldoli]] in [[Valinor]]. That language was quite similar to [[Qenya]], the language of the [[Vanyar|Lindar]] but had some differences.
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[[Kornoldorin]] ("Gnomish of [[Kôr]]" or "Old Noldorin") was the language of the [[Gnomes]] in [[Valinor]]. It was similar to [[Qenya]], the language of the [[Vanyar|Lindar]], but incorporated [[Solosimpin]] influence.
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When the Gnomes came to the [[Great Lands]] with [[Fëanor]], they mixed and intermingled with the [[Ilkorindi]], the [[Dark Elves]]; similarly their languages, Kornoldorin and [[Ilkorin]] were fused and amalgamated, this was the origin of Noldorin.
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Noldorin was rich in various dialects of [[Mithrim]], [[Gondolin]], [[Nargothrond]], [[Himring]] and several other varieties.<ref>{{LR|Lhammas}} p.177</ref><ref>{{PE|14}} p.61-62</ref>
  
When the Noldor came to [[Great Lands]] with [[Fëanor]], their language was confused, mixed and mingled with [[Ilkorin]], the language of the [[Dark Elves]]. This amalgam produced the '''Noldorin''' language of [[Beleriand]].
 
 
==External history==
 
==External history==
A celtic-sounding language spoken by the Gnomes/Noldoli existed since the beginning of Tolkien's mythology. In the first stage, it was called [[Gnomish]] quite similar to later Noldorin/Sindarin but also quite different.  
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A celtic-sounding language spoken by the Gnomes/Noldoli existed since the beginning of Tolkien's mythology. In the first stage, it was called [[Gnomish]] and was quite similar to later Noldorin/Sindarin but also quite different.  
  
It continued to be revised. Noldorin, as was called now, was more compatible to Sindarin of the ''[[Lord of the Rings]]''; this language appears in the ''[[Etymologies]]''.
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It was revised through the following years. Noldorin, as was called during the 1930, was more compatible to Sindarin of ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]''; this language appears in the ''[[The Etymologies|Etymologies]]''.
  
 
Noldorin with all its backstory existed even while Tolkien was writing ''The Lord of the Rings''. The Elvish phrases and languages, while nowadays are known as Sindarin, were "Noldorin" in Tolkien's mind while he was writing them. It was only while writing the Appendices when he decided to retcon all the backstory and give Elvish a new history and name, and then the language was standardized as Sindarin.
 
Noldorin with all its backstory existed even while Tolkien was writing ''The Lord of the Rings''. The Elvish phrases and languages, while nowadays are known as Sindarin, were "Noldorin" in Tolkien's mind while he was writing them. It was only while writing the Appendices when he decided to retcon all the backstory and give Elvish a new history and name, and then the language was standardized as Sindarin.
  
 
The ''Etymologies'' Noldorin is so similar and compatible to Sindarin, that Tolkien consulted it while working on Sindarin, by "updating" in his mind the old words with the new data. This methodology is used even now by Elvish students when they need to "import" or "update" Noldorin words into Sindarin proper. This practice is often referred to as "[[Neo-Sindarin]]", to distinguish it from attested Sindarin.
 
The ''Etymologies'' Noldorin is so similar and compatible to Sindarin, that Tolkien consulted it while working on Sindarin, by "updating" in his mind the old words with the new data. This methodology is used even now by Elvish students when they need to "import" or "update" Noldorin words into Sindarin proper. This practice is often referred to as "[[Neo-Sindarin]]", to distinguish it from attested Sindarin.
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===Example of differences===
 
===Example of differences===
 
For example Old Noldorin initial ''l-/r-'' became ''lh-/rh-'' in Noldorin respectively, however they remain the same in Sindarin. Also, the Old Noldorin diphthong ''ai'' becomes ''oe'' in Noldorin but ''ae'' in Sindarin.  
 
For example Old Noldorin initial ''l-/r-'' became ''lh-/rh-'' in Noldorin respectively, however they remain the same in Sindarin. Also, the Old Noldorin diphthong ''ai'' becomes ''oe'' in Noldorin but ''ae'' in Sindarin.  
  
 
Therefore according to the ''Etymologies'', the Old Noldorin word ''raika'' evolved into Noldorin ''rhoeg'' but the very same word should be "updated" into *''raeg'' to become Sindarin.
 
Therefore according to the ''Etymologies'', the Old Noldorin word ''raika'' evolved into Noldorin ''rhoeg'' but the very same word should be "updated" into *''raeg'' to become Sindarin.
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==See also==
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*[[Kornoldorin]]
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*[[Salmar]] (also named Noldorin in early manuscripts)
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==External links==
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*[http://www.phy.duke.edu/~trenk/elvish/#grammar_noldorin Three articles about Noldorin] by [[Thorsten Renk]].
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This article is about the earlier version of Sindarin. For the dialect of Quenya spoken by the Noldor in Middle-earth, see Exilic Quenya.

Noldorin is an Elvish dialect from an earlier version of the legendarium, a precursor to Sindarin.

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History

Kornoldorin ("Gnomish of Kôr" or "Old Noldorin") was the language of the Gnomes in Valinor. It was similar to Qenya, the language of the Lindar, but incorporated Solosimpin influence.

When the Gnomes came to the Great Lands with Fëanor, they mixed and intermingled with the Ilkorindi, the Dark Elves; similarly their languages, Kornoldorin and Ilkorin were fused and amalgamated, this was the origin of Noldorin.

Noldorin was rich in various dialects of Mithrim, Gondolin, Nargothrond, Himring and several other varieties.[1][2]

External history

A celtic-sounding language spoken by the Gnomes/Noldoli existed since the beginning of Tolkien's mythology. In the first stage, it was called Gnomish and was quite similar to later Noldorin/Sindarin but also quite different.

It was revised through the following years. Noldorin, as was called during the 1930, was more compatible to Sindarin of The Lord of the Rings; this language appears in the Etymologies.

Noldorin with all its backstory existed even while Tolkien was writing The Lord of the Rings. The Elvish phrases and languages, while nowadays are known as Sindarin, were "Noldorin" in Tolkien's mind while he was writing them. It was only while writing the Appendices when he decided to retcon all the backstory and give Elvish a new history and name, and then the language was standardized as Sindarin.

The Etymologies Noldorin is so similar and compatible to Sindarin, that Tolkien consulted it while working on Sindarin, by "updating" in his mind the old words with the new data. This methodology is used even now by Elvish students when they need to "import" or "update" Noldorin words into Sindarin proper. This practice is often referred to as "Neo-Sindarin", to distinguish it from attested Sindarin.

Example of differences

For example Old Noldorin initial l-/r- became lh-/rh- in Noldorin respectively, however they remain the same in Sindarin. Also, the Old Noldorin diphthong ai becomes oe in Noldorin but ae in Sindarin.

Therefore according to the Etymologies, the Old Noldorin word raika evolved into Noldorin rhoeg but the very same word should be "updated" into *raeg to become Sindarin.

See also

External links

References

  1. J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The Lost Road and Other Writings, "Part Two: Valinor and Middle-earth before The Lord of the Rings, V. The Lhammas" p.177
  2. J.R.R. Tolkien, "Early Qenya and The Valmaric Script", in Parma Eldalamberon XIV (edited by Carl F. Hostetter, Christopher Gilson, Arden R. Smith, Patrick H. Wynne, and Bill Welden) p.61-62