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[[Image:Glangonn.jpg|thumb|An ogre in ''[[The Lord of the Rings Online|LOTRO]]'']]  
 
[[Image:Glangonn.jpg|thumb|An ogre in ''[[The Lord of the Rings Online|LOTRO]]'']]  
 
'''Ogres''' were monstrous and destructive creatures of legend and folklore. In fact, it is doubtful whether Ogres ever existed in [[Middle-earth]].  
 
'''Ogres''' were monstrous and destructive creatures of legend and folklore. In fact, it is doubtful whether Ogres ever existed in [[Middle-earth]].  
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No ogre is ever mentioned in the annals of the [[Elder Days]] and none played any role in the wars and battles. It is entirely possible that they were a mythical race.  
 
No ogre is ever mentioned in the annals of the [[Elder Days]] and none played any role in the wars and battles. It is entirely possible that they were a mythical race.  
  
It is also possible that Ogre were just another name for the [[Trolls]].
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It is also possible that Ogre were just another name for the [[Trolls]].<ref name=HMN/>
  
 
== Other versions of the legendarium ==
 
== Other versions of the legendarium ==
''Ogres'' were used by [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] in early drafts of Middle-earth as a name for one of the monsters bred by [[Melkor]] along with [[Gongs]] and the other [[úvanimo|Úvanimor]].<ref>{{HM|LT1}}</ref>
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''Ogres'' were used by [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] in early drafts of the [[legendarium]] as a name for one of the monsters bred by [[Morgoth|Melkor]] along with [[Gongs]] and the other [[úvanimo|Úvanimor]].<ref>{{HM|LT1}}</ref>
  
They are mentioned as cannibal [[giant]]s. Those of the north were known as ''Hongwir'' while the southern ones were named ''Sarqindi''.<ref>{{PE|14}}, "The Creatures of the Earth"</ref> ''Sarqindi'' is glossed as "Cannibal-ogres".<ref>{{LT2|Appendix}}, p. 347</ref>
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They are mentioned as cannibal [[giant]]s. Those of the north were known as ''Hongwir'' while the southern ones were named ''Sarqindi''.<ref>{{PE|14}}, "The Creatures of the Earth", p. 9</ref> ''Sarqindi'' is glossed as "Cannibal-ogres",<ref>{{LT2|Appendix}}, p. 347</ref> and [[Patrick H. Wynne]] and [[Christopher Gilson]] have suggested that ''hongwir'' might be related to the [[Qenya]] word ''ongwe'' (meaning "pain").<ref>{{PE|14}}, p. 6</ref>
  
Tolkien mentioned again ogres out of context in analyses of the name ''[[Orcs|Orc]]'': "...the gloss ''Þyrs'' 'ogre'..." , and of the name ''[[Ettendales]]'': "This is meant to be a Common Speech (not Elvish) name, though it contains an obsolete element ''eten'' 'troll, ogre'."<ref>{{HM|N}}, pp. 762, 770</ref>
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Tolkien mentioned again ogres out of context in analyses of the name ''[[Orcs|Orc]]'': "...the gloss ''Þyrs'' 'ogre'..." , and of the name ''[[Ettendales]]'': "This is meant to be a Common Speech (not Elvish) name, though it contains an obsolete element ''eten'' 'troll, ogre'."<ref name=HMN>{{HM|N}}, pp. 762, 770</ref>
  
 
==Inspiration==
 
==Inspiration==
 
In his childhood, Tolkien and his brother [[Hilary Tolkien|Hilary]] gave a miller and a farmer, who frightened the boys and lived near the [[Sarehole Mill]] in the Moseley area of [[Birmingham]], the nicknames "White Ogre" and "Black Ogre", respectively.<ref>[[Humphrey Carpenter]], ''[[J.R.R. Tolkien: A Biography]]''</ref> These characters also appear in stories written by Hilary Tolkien.<ref>[[Hilary Tolkien]]; [[Angela Gardner]] (ed), ''[[Black and White Ogre Country|Black & White Ogre Country: The Lost Tales of Hilary Tolkien]]''</ref>
 
In his childhood, Tolkien and his brother [[Hilary Tolkien|Hilary]] gave a miller and a farmer, who frightened the boys and lived near the [[Sarehole Mill]] in the Moseley area of [[Birmingham]], the nicknames "White Ogre" and "Black Ogre", respectively.<ref>[[Humphrey Carpenter]], ''[[J.R.R. Tolkien: A Biography]]''</ref> These characters also appear in stories written by Hilary Tolkien.<ref>[[Hilary Tolkien]]; [[Angela Gardner]] (ed), ''[[Black and White Ogre Country|Black & White Ogre Country: The Lost Tales of Hilary Tolkien]]''</ref>
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Tolkien enjoyed reading E.A. Wyke-Smith's ''[[The Marvellous Land of Snergs]]'' ([[1927]]) to his children. The book recounts the adventures of two children and a Snerg ("a race of people only slightly taller than the average table"), and their tale include meeting the vegetarian ogre Golithos.<ref>[[Douglas A. Anderson]] (ed.), ''[[Tales Before Tolkien|Tales Before Tolkien: The Roots of Modern Fantasy]]'', pp. 359-60</ref>
  
 
==Portrayal in adaptations==
 
==Portrayal in adaptations==

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An ogre in LOTRO

Ogres were monstrous and destructive creatures of legend and folklore. In fact, it is doubtful whether Ogres ever existed in Middle-earth.

During the Riddle-game with Gollum, Bilbo Baggins in his attempt to solve Gollum's fifth riddle, he sat thinking of all the horrible names of all the giants and ogres he had ever heard told of in tales.[1].

No ogre is ever mentioned in the annals of the Elder Days and none played any role in the wars and battles. It is entirely possible that they were a mythical race.

It is also possible that Ogre were just another name for the Trolls.[2]

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Other versions of the legendarium

Ogres were used by J.R.R. Tolkien in early drafts of the legendarium as a name for one of the monsters bred by Melkor along with Gongs and the other Úvanimor.[3]

They are mentioned as cannibal giants. Those of the north were known as Hongwir while the southern ones were named Sarqindi.[4] Sarqindi is glossed as "Cannibal-ogres",[5] and Patrick H. Wynne and Christopher Gilson have suggested that hongwir might be related to the Qenya word ongwe (meaning "pain").[6]

Tolkien mentioned again ogres out of context in analyses of the name Orc: "...the gloss Þyrs 'ogre'..." , and of the name Ettendales: "This is meant to be a Common Speech (not Elvish) name, though it contains an obsolete element eten 'troll, ogre'."[2]

Inspiration

In his childhood, Tolkien and his brother Hilary gave a miller and a farmer, who frightened the boys and lived near the Sarehole Mill in the Moseley area of Birmingham, the nicknames "White Ogre" and "Black Ogre", respectively.[7] These characters also appear in stories written by Hilary Tolkien.[8]

Tolkien enjoyed reading E.A. Wyke-Smith's The Marvellous Land of Snergs (1927) to his children. The book recounts the adventures of two children and a Snerg ("a race of people only slightly taller than the average table"), and their tale include meeting the vegetarian ogre Golithos.[9]

Portrayal in adaptations

2007-: The Lord of the Rings Online:

Ogres, also known as the Jorthkyn, are unfriendly Earth-kin, related to Giants. They are predominantly found in Nan Amlug East in the North Downs.[10]

External links

References

  1. J.R.R. Tolkien, The Hobbit, "Riddles in the Dark"
  2. 2.0 2.1 J.R.R. Tolkien, "Nomenclature of The Lord of the Rings" in Wayne G. Hammond and Christina Scull (eds), The Lord of the Rings: A Reader's Companion, pp. 762, 770
  3. J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The Book of Lost Tales Part One
  4. J.R.R. Tolkien, "Early Qenya and The Valmaric Script", in Parma Eldalamberon XIV (edited by Carl F. Hostetter, Christopher Gilson, Arden R. Smith, Patrick H. Wynne, and Bill Welden), "The Creatures of the Earth", p. 9
  5. J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The Book of Lost Tales Part Two, "Appendix: Names in the Lost Tales – Part II" , p. 347
  6. J.R.R. Tolkien, "Early Qenya and The Valmaric Script", in Parma Eldalamberon XIV (edited by Carl F. Hostetter, Christopher Gilson, Arden R. Smith, Patrick H. Wynne, and Bill Welden), p. 6
  7. Humphrey Carpenter, J.R.R. Tolkien: A Biography
  8. Hilary Tolkien; Angela Gardner (ed), Black & White Ogre Country: The Lost Tales of Hilary Tolkien
  9. Douglas A. Anderson (ed.), Tales Before Tolkien: The Roots of Modern Fantasy, pp. 359-60
  10. Ogres at Lotro-wiki.com (accessed 20 November 2010)
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