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Mith: Proper date format

2012-10-11T14:38:59Z

Proper date format

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	[[File:Mark Evans - Ravens.jpg\|thumb\|''Ravens'' by Mark Evans]]		[[File:Mark Evans - Ravens.jpg\|thumb\|''Ravens'' by Mark Evans]]
−	'''Ravens''' were large black birds,<ref>{{LB\|C2}}, p. 161 (§119)</ref> associated with ill news of death,<ref>{{HM\|LB}}, pp. 164-165, 341</ref> and were known for their harsh voices.<ref>{{TT\|III10}}</ref> The ravens that lived on [[Ravenhill]] near [[Lonely Mountain\|Erebor]], though, were friendly with the [[Dwarves]], and some could even speak [[Westron]]. [[Carc]] had been one of these, and his son [[Roäc]] was the leader of the ravens of Erebor around ~~[[Third Age 2941~~\|~~T.A.~~ 2941]], when [[Thorin and Company]] reclaimed the mountain from [[Smaug]].<ref>{{H\|15}}</ref>	+	'''Ravens''' were large black birds,<ref>{{LB\|C2}}, p. 161 (§119)</ref> associated with ill news of death,<ref>{{HM\|LB}}, pp. 164-165, 341</ref> and were known for their harsh voices.<ref>{{TT\|III10}}</ref> The ravens that lived on [[Ravenhill]] near [[Lonely Mountain\|Erebor]], though, were friendly with the [[Dwarves]], and some could even speak [[Westron]]. [[Carc]] had been one of these, and his son [[Roäc]] was the leader of the ravens of Erebor around {{TA\|2941}}, when [[Thorin and Company]] reclaimed the mountain from [[Smaug]].<ref>{{H\|15}}</ref>

	When [[Peregrin Took]] became one of the [[Guards of the Citadel]], his new garments included a "''high-crowned helm with small raven-wings on either side''".<ref>{{RK\|V4}}</ref>		When [[Peregrin Took]] became one of the [[Guards of the Citadel]], his new garments included a "''high-crowned helm with small raven-wings on either side''".<ref>{{RK\|V4}}</ref>

KingAragorn at 14:30, 10 July 2012

2012-07-10T14:30:05Z

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−	[[~~Image~~:Ravens.jpg\|thumb\|''Ravens'' by Mark Evans]]	+	[[File:Mark Evans - Ravens.jpg\|thumb\|''Ravens'' by Mark Evans]]
	'''Ravens''' were large black birds,<ref>{{LB\|C2}}, p. 161 (§119)</ref> associated with ill news of death,<ref>{{HM\|LB}}, pp. 164-165, 341</ref> and were known for their harsh voices.<ref>{{TT\|III10}}</ref> The ravens that lived on [[Ravenhill]] near [[Lonely Mountain\|Erebor]], though, were friendly with the [[Dwarves]], and some could even speak [[Westron]]. [[Carc]] had been one of these, and his son [[Roäc]] was the leader of the ravens of Erebor around [[Third Age 2941\|T.A. 2941]], when [[Thorin and Company]] reclaimed the mountain from [[Smaug]].<ref>{{H\|15}}</ref>		'''Ravens''' were large black birds,<ref>{{LB\|C2}}, p. 161 (§119)</ref> associated with ill news of death,<ref>{{HM\|LB}}, pp. 164-165, 341</ref> and were known for their harsh voices.<ref>{{TT\|III10}}</ref> The ravens that lived on [[Ravenhill]] near [[Lonely Mountain\|Erebor]], though, were friendly with the [[Dwarves]], and some could even speak [[Westron]]. [[Carc]] had been one of these, and his son [[Roäc]] was the leader of the ravens of Erebor around [[Third Age 2941\|T.A. 2941]], when [[Thorin and Company]] reclaimed the mountain from [[Smaug]].<ref>{{H\|15}}</ref>

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	==Portrayal in adaptations==		==Portrayal in adaptations==
−	[[~~Image~~:Raven (MERP).jpg\|thumb\|150px\|Raven portrayed in ''[[Middle-earth Role Playing\|MERP]]'']]	+	[[File:Raven (MERP).jpg\|thumb\|150px\|Raven portrayed in ''[[Middle-earth Role Playing\|MERP]]'']]
	'''1982-97: ''[[Middle-earth Role Playing]]'':'''		'''1982-97: ''[[Middle-earth Role Playing]]'':'''
	: Ravens, level 4 birds, are enchanted and intelligent, friends of the Free Peoples. They are reputedly the messengers of the Vala [[Mandos]], and are able to speak many Mannish and Elvish tongues.<ref>{{ICE\|2012}}, pp. 26, 132</ref>		: Ravens, level 4 birds, are enchanted and intelligent, friends of the Free Peoples. They are reputedly the messengers of the Vala [[Mandos]], and are able to speak many Mannish and Elvish tongues.<ref>{{ICE\|2012}}, pp. 26, 132</ref>

KingAragorn Bot: Bot message: re-linked.

2012-06-16T16:39:03Z

Bot message: re-linked.

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−	'''Ravens''' were large black birds,<ref>{{LB\|C2}}, p. 161 (§119)</ref> associated with ill news of death,<ref>{{HM\|LB}}, pp. 164-165, 341</ref> and were known for their harsh voices.<ref>{{TT\|III10}}</ref> The ravens that lived on [[Ravenhill]] near [[Erebor]], though, were friendly with the [[Dwarves]], and some could even speak [[Westron]]. [[Carc]] had been one of these, and his son [[Roäc]] was the leader of the ravens of Erebor around [[Third Age 2941\|T.A. 2941]], when [[Thorin and Company]] reclaimed the mountain from [[Smaug]].<ref>{{H\|15}}</ref>	+	'''Ravens''' were large black birds,<ref>{{LB\|C2}}, p. 161 (§119)</ref> associated with ill news of death,<ref>{{HM\|LB}}, pp. 164-165, 341</ref> and were known for their harsh voices.<ref>{{TT\|III10}}</ref> The ravens that lived on [[Ravenhill]] near [[Lonely Mountain\|Erebor]], though, were friendly with the [[Dwarves]], and some could even speak [[Westron]]. [[Carc]] had been one of these, and his son [[Roäc]] was the leader of the ravens of Erebor around [[Third Age 2941\|T.A. 2941]], when [[Thorin and Company]] reclaimed the mountain from [[Smaug]].<ref>{{H\|15}}</ref>

	When [[Peregrin Took]] became one of the [[Guards of the Citadel]], his new garments included a "''high-crowned helm with small raven-wings on either side''".<ref>{{RK\|V4}}</ref>		When [[Peregrin Took]] became one of the [[Guards of the Citadel]], his new garments included a "''high-crowned helm with small raven-wings on either side''".<ref>{{RK\|V4}}</ref>

KingAragorn Bot: Bot message: re-linked.

2012-03-30T14:45:01Z

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	[[Image:Raven (MERP).jpg\|thumb\|150px\|Raven portrayed in ''[[Middle-earth Role Playing\|MERP]]'']]		[[Image:Raven (MERP).jpg\|thumb\|150px\|Raven portrayed in ''[[Middle-earth Role Playing\|MERP]]'']]
	'''1982-97: ''[[Middle-earth Role Playing]]'':'''		'''1982-97: ''[[Middle-earth Role Playing]]'':'''
−	: Ravens, level 4 birds, are enchanted and intelligent, friends of the Free Peoples. They are reputedly the messengers of the Vala [[~~Námo (~~Mandos)]], and are able to speak many Mannish and Elvish tongues.<ref>{{ICE\|2012}}, pp. 26, 132</ref>	+	: Ravens, level 4 birds, are enchanted and intelligent, friends of the Free Peoples. They are reputedly the messengers of the Vala [[Mandos]], and are able to speak many Mannish and Elvish tongues.<ref>{{ICE\|2012}}, pp. 26, 132</ref>

	'''2002-5: ''[[The Lord of the Rings Roleplaying Game]]'':'''		'''2002-5: ''[[The Lord of the Rings Roleplaying Game]]'':'''

Morgan: /* Inspiration */

2011-06-01T21:04:39Z

Inspiration

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	When [[Peregrin Took]] became one of the [[Guards of the Citadel]], his new garments included a "''high-crowned helm with small raven-wings on either side''".<ref>{{RK\|V4}}</ref>		When [[Peregrin Took]] became one of the [[Guards of the Citadel]], his new garments included a "''high-crowned helm with small raven-wings on either side''".<ref>{{RK\|V4}}</ref>
	==Inspiration==		==Inspiration==
−	It has been suggested that [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s use of ravens is reminiscent of ~~the~~ [[Wikipedia:Odin\|Odin]]'s two messenger-ravens [[Wikipedia:Huginn and Muminn\|Huginn and Muminn]] of the Norse mythology, appearing in the ''[[Edda]]''.<ref>{{HM\|AH}}, p. 315</ref> ''See also: [[Roäc#Inspiration\|Roäc: Inspiration]]''	+	It has been suggested that [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s use of ravens is reminiscent of [[Wikipedia:Odin\|Odin]]'s two messenger-ravens [[Wikipedia:Huginn and Muminn\|Huginn and Muminn]] of the Norse mythology, appearing in the ''[[Edda]]''.<ref>{{HM\|AH}}, p. 315</ref> ''See also: [[Roäc#Inspiration\|Roäc: Inspiration]]''

	In ''[[The Legend of Sigurd and Gudrún]]'', the lord of the ravens is [[Wikipedia:Rerir\|Rerir]], grandson of Ódin.<ref>{{HM\|SG}}, p. 72</ref> Ravens are further associated with the coming of death.<ref>{{HM\|SG}}, pp. 275, 285</ref>		In ''[[The Legend of Sigurd and Gudrún]]'', the lord of the ravens is [[Wikipedia:Rerir\|Rerir]], grandson of Ódin.<ref>{{HM\|SG}}, p. 72</ref> Ravens are further associated with the coming of death.<ref>{{HM\|SG}}, pp. 275, 285</ref>

Morgan: linking sentences

2010-12-05T02:28:58Z

linking sentences

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	It has been suggested that [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s use of ravens is reminiscent of the [[Wikipedia:Odin\|Odin]]'s two messenger-ravens [[Wikipedia:Huginn and Muminn\|Huginn and Muminn]] of the Norse mythology, appearing in the ''[[Edda]]''.<ref>{{HM\|AH}}, p. 315</ref> ''See also: [[Roäc#Inspiration\|Roäc: Inspiration]]''		It has been suggested that [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s use of ravens is reminiscent of the [[Wikipedia:Odin\|Odin]]'s two messenger-ravens [[Wikipedia:Huginn and Muminn\|Huginn and Muminn]] of the Norse mythology, appearing in the ''[[Edda]]''.<ref>{{HM\|AH}}, p. 315</ref> ''See also: [[Roäc#Inspiration\|Roäc: Inspiration]]''

−	In ''[[The Legend of Sigurd and Gudrún]]'', the lord of the ravens is [[Wikipedia:Rerir\|Rerir]], grandson of Ódin.<ref>{{HM\|SG}}, p. 72</ref> Ravens are associated with the coming of death.<ref>{{HM\|SG}}, pp. 275, 285</ref>	+	In ''[[The Legend of Sigurd and Gudrún]]'', the lord of the ravens is [[Wikipedia:Rerir\|Rerir]], grandson of Ódin.<ref>{{HM\|SG}}, p. 72</ref> Ravens are further associated with the coming of death.<ref>{{HM\|SG}}, pp. 275, 285</ref>

	==Portrayal in adaptations==		==Portrayal in adaptations==

Morgan: /* Inspiration */

2010-12-05T02:27:21Z

Inspiration

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	It has been suggested that [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s use of ravens is reminiscent of the [[Wikipedia:Odin\|Odin]]'s two messenger-ravens [[Wikipedia:Huginn and Muminn\|Huginn and Muminn]] of the Norse mythology, appearing in the ''[[Edda]]''.<ref>{{HM\|AH}}, p. 315</ref> ''See also: [[Roäc#Inspiration\|Roäc: Inspiration]]''		It has been suggested that [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s use of ravens is reminiscent of the [[Wikipedia:Odin\|Odin]]'s two messenger-ravens [[Wikipedia:Huginn and Muminn\|Huginn and Muminn]] of the Norse mythology, appearing in the ''[[Edda]]''.<ref>{{HM\|AH}}, p. 315</ref> ''See also: [[Roäc#Inspiration\|Roäc: Inspiration]]''

−	In ''[[The Legend of Sigurd and Gudrún]]'', the lord of the ravens is [[Wikipedia:Rerir\|Rerir]], grandson of Ódin.<ref>{{HM\|SG}}, p. 72</ref> Ravens ~~also~~ associated with ~~ill news,~~ the coming of death.<ref>{{HM\|SG}}, pp. 275, 285</ref>	+	In ''[[The Legend of Sigurd and Gudrún]]'', the lord of the ravens is [[Wikipedia:Rerir\|Rerir]], grandson of Ódin.<ref>{{HM\|SG}}, p. 72</ref> Ravens are associated with the coming of death.<ref>{{HM\|SG}}, pp. 275, 285</ref>
		+
	==Portrayal in adaptations==		==Portrayal in adaptations==
	[[Image:Raven (MERP).jpg\|thumb\|150px\|Raven portrayed in ''[[Middle-earth Role Playing\|MERP]]'']]		[[Image:Raven (MERP).jpg\|thumb\|150px\|Raven portrayed in ''[[Middle-earth Role Playing\|MERP]]'']]

Morgan: some more tweaks

2010-12-05T02:26:13Z

some more tweaks

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	[[Image:Ravens.jpg\|thumb\|''Ravens'' by Mark Evans]]		[[Image:Ravens.jpg\|thumb\|''Ravens'' by Mark Evans]]
−	'''Ravens''' were large black birds, ~~often~~ associated with ill news.{{~~fact~~}} The ravens that lived on [[Ravenhill]] near [[Erebor]], though, were friendly with the [[Dwarves]], and some could even speak [[Westron]]. [[Carc]] had been one of these, and his son [[Roäc]] was the leader of the ravens of Erebor around [[Third Age 2941\|T.A. 2941]], when [[Thorin and Company]] reclaimed the mountain from [[Smaug]].<ref>{{H\|15}}</ref>	+	'''Ravens''' were large black birds,<ref>{{LB\|C2}}, p. 161 (§119)</ref> associated with ill news of death,<ref>{{HM\|LB}}, pp. 164-165, 341</ref> and were known for their harsh voices.<ref>{{TT\|III10}}</ref> The ravens that lived on [[Ravenhill]] near [[Erebor]], though, were friendly with the [[Dwarves]], and some could even speak [[Westron]]. [[Carc]] had been one of these, and his son [[Roäc]] was the leader of the ravens of Erebor around [[Third Age 2941\|T.A. 2941]], when [[Thorin and Company]] reclaimed the mountain from [[Smaug]].<ref>{{H\|15}}</ref>
		+
		+	When [[Peregrin Took]] became one of the [[Guards of the Citadel]], his new garments included a "''high-crowned helm with small raven-wings on either side''".<ref>{{RK\|V4}}</ref>
	==Inspiration==		==Inspiration==
−	It has been suggested that [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s use of ravens is reminiscent of the two messenger-ravens [[Wikipedia:Huginn and Muminn\|Huginn and Muminn]] of the Norse mythology, appearing in the ''[[Edda]]''.<ref>{{HM\|AH}}, p. 315</ref> ''See also: [[Roäc#Inspiration\|Roäc: Inspiration]]''	+	It has been suggested that [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s use of ravens is reminiscent of the [[Wikipedia:Odin\|Odin]]'s two messenger-ravens [[Wikipedia:Huginn and Muminn\|Huginn and Muminn]] of the Norse mythology, appearing in the ''[[Edda]]''.<ref>{{HM\|AH}}, p. 315</ref> ''See also: [[Roäc#Inspiration\|Roäc: Inspiration]]''

		+	In ''[[The Legend of Sigurd and Gudrún]]'', the lord of the ravens is [[Wikipedia:Rerir\|Rerir]], grandson of Ódin.<ref>{{HM\|SG}}, p. 72</ref> Ravens also associated with ill news, the coming of death.<ref>{{HM\|SG}}, pp. 275, 285</ref>
	==Portrayal in adaptations==		==Portrayal in adaptations==
	[[Image:Raven (MERP).jpg\|thumb\|150px\|Raven portrayed in ''[[Middle-earth Role Playing\|MERP]]'']]		[[Image:Raven (MERP).jpg\|thumb\|150px\|Raven portrayed in ''[[Middle-earth Role Playing\|MERP]]'']]

Morgan: Added inspiration

2010-12-04T12:15:55Z

Added inspiration

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	[[Image:Ravens.jpg\|thumb\|''Ravens'' by Mark Evans]]		[[Image:Ravens.jpg\|thumb\|''Ravens'' by Mark Evans]]
	'''Ravens''' were large black birds, often associated with ill news.{{fact}} The ravens that lived on [[Ravenhill]] near [[Erebor]], though, were friendly with the [[Dwarves]], and some could even speak [[Westron]]. [[Carc]] had been one of these, and his son [[Roäc]] was the leader of the ravens of Erebor around [[Third Age 2941\|T.A. 2941]], when [[Thorin and Company]] reclaimed the mountain from [[Smaug]].<ref>{{H\|15}}</ref>		'''Ravens''' were large black birds, often associated with ill news.{{fact}} The ravens that lived on [[Ravenhill]] near [[Erebor]], though, were friendly with the [[Dwarves]], and some could even speak [[Westron]]. [[Carc]] had been one of these, and his son [[Roäc]] was the leader of the ravens of Erebor around [[Third Age 2941\|T.A. 2941]], when [[Thorin and Company]] reclaimed the mountain from [[Smaug]].<ref>{{H\|15}}</ref>
		+	==Inspiration==
		+	It has been suggested that [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s use of ravens is reminiscent of the two messenger-ravens [[Wikipedia:Huginn and Muminn\|Huginn and Muminn]] of the Norse mythology, appearing in the ''[[Edda]]''.<ref>{{HM\|AH}}, p. 315</ref> ''See also: [[Roäc#Inspiration\|Roäc: Inspiration]]''
		+
	==Portrayal in adaptations==		==Portrayal in adaptations==
	[[Image:Raven (MERP).jpg\|thumb\|150px\|Raven portrayed in ''[[Middle-earth Role Playing\|MERP]]'']]		[[Image:Raven (MERP).jpg\|thumb\|150px\|Raven portrayed in ''[[Middle-earth Role Playing\|MERP]]'']]

Morgan: Added pics + portrayals

2010-12-04T11:57:04Z

Added pics + portrayals

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−	'''Ravens''' were large black birds, often associated with ill news. The ravens that lived near [[Erebor]], though, were friendly with the [[Dwarves]], and some could even speak ~~the~~ [[~~Common Tongue~~]]. [[Roäc]] was the leader of the ravens of Erebor around [[Third Age 2941\|T.A. 2941]], when [[Thorin and Company]] reclaimed the mountain from [[Smaug]].	+	[[Image:Ravens.jpg\|thumb\|''Ravens'' by Mark Evans]]
		+	'''Ravens''' were large black birds, often associated with ill news.{{fact}} The ravens that lived on [[Ravenhill]] near [[Erebor]], though, were friendly with the [[Dwarves]], and some could even speak [[Westron]]. [[Carc]] had been one of these, and his son [[Roäc]] was the leader of the ravens of Erebor around [[Third Age 2941\|T.A. 2941]], when [[Thorin and Company]] reclaimed the mountain from [[Smaug]].<ref>{{H\|15}}</ref>
		+	==Portrayal in adaptations==
		+	[[Image:Raven (MERP).jpg\|thumb\|150px\|Raven portrayed in ''[[Middle-earth Role Playing\|MERP]]'']]
		+	'''1982-97: ''[[Middle-earth Role Playing]]'':'''
		+	: Ravens, level 4 birds, are enchanted and intelligent, friends of the Free Peoples. They are reputedly the messengers of the Vala [[Námo (Mandos)]], and are able to speak many Mannish and Elvish tongues.<ref>{{ICE\|2012}}, pp. 26, 132</ref>

		+	'''2002-5: ''[[The Lord of the Rings Roleplaying Game]]'':'''
		+	: "Ravens of the North" are "''creatures of especially powerful magic''", being able to understand Westron and having extraordinarily long lives.<ref>{{D\|Fell}}, p. 58</ref>
		+	{{references}}
	[[Category:Ravens\| ]]		[[Category:Ravens\| ]]
	[[Category:Characters in The Hobbit]]		[[Category:Characters in The Hobbit]]

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	[[File:Mark Evans - Ravens.jpg\|thumb\|''Ravens'' by Mark Evans]]		[[File:Mark Evans - Ravens.jpg\|thumb\|''Ravens'' by Mark Evans]]
−	'''Ravens''' were large black birds,<ref>{{LB\|C2}}, p. 161 (§119)</ref> associated with ill news of death,<ref>{{HM\|LB}}, pp. 164-165, 341</ref> and were known for their harsh voices.<ref>{{TT\|III10}}</ref> The ravens that lived on [[Ravenhill]] near [[Lonely Mountain\|Erebor]], though, were friendly with the [[Dwarves]], and some could even speak [[Westron]]. [[Carc]] had been one of these, and his son [[Roäc]] was the leader of the ravens of Erebor around ~~[[Third Age 2941~~\|~~T.A.~~ 2941]], when [[Thorin and Company]] reclaimed the mountain from [[Smaug]].<ref>{{H\|15}}</ref>	+	'''Ravens''' were large black birds,<ref>{{LB\|C2}}, p. 161 (§119)</ref> associated with ill news of death,<ref>{{HM\|LB}}, pp. 164-165, 341</ref> and were known for their harsh voices.<ref>{{TT\|III10}}</ref> The ravens that lived on [[Ravenhill]] near [[Lonely Mountain\|Erebor]], though, were friendly with the [[Dwarves]], and some could even speak [[Westron]]. [[Carc]] had been one of these, and his son [[Roäc]] was the leader of the ravens of Erebor around {{TA\|2941}}, when [[Thorin and Company]] reclaimed the mountain from [[Smaug]].<ref>{{H\|15}}</ref>

	When [[Peregrin Took]] became one of the [[Guards of the Citadel]], his new garments included a "''high-crowned helm with small raven-wings on either side''".<ref>{{RK\|V4}}</ref>		When [[Peregrin Took]] became one of the [[Guards of the Citadel]], his new garments included a "''high-crowned helm with small raven-wings on either side''".<ref>{{RK\|V4}}</ref>

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−	'''Ravens''' were large black birds,<ref>{{LB\|C2}}, p. 161 (§119)</ref> associated with ill news of death,<ref>{{HM\|LB}}, pp. 164-165, 341</ref> and were known for their harsh voices.<ref>{{TT\|III10}}</ref> The ravens that lived on [[Ravenhill]] near [[Erebor]], though, were friendly with the [[Dwarves]], and some could even speak [[Westron]]. [[Carc]] had been one of these, and his son [[Roäc]] was the leader of the ravens of Erebor around [[Third Age 2941\|T.A. 2941]], when [[Thorin and Company]] reclaimed the mountain from [[Smaug]].<ref>{{H\|15}}</ref>	+	'''Ravens''' were large black birds,<ref>{{LB\|C2}}, p. 161 (§119)</ref> associated with ill news of death,<ref>{{HM\|LB}}, pp. 164-165, 341</ref> and were known for their harsh voices.<ref>{{TT\|III10}}</ref> The ravens that lived on [[Ravenhill]] near [[Lonely Mountain\|Erebor]], though, were friendly with the [[Dwarves]], and some could even speak [[Westron]]. [[Carc]] had been one of these, and his son [[Roäc]] was the leader of the ravens of Erebor around [[Third Age 2941\|T.A. 2941]], when [[Thorin and Company]] reclaimed the mountain from [[Smaug]].<ref>{{H\|15}}</ref>

	When [[Peregrin Took]] became one of the [[Guards of the Citadel]], his new garments included a "''high-crowned helm with small raven-wings on either side''".<ref>{{RK\|V4}}</ref>		When [[Peregrin Took]] became one of the [[Guards of the Citadel]], his new garments included a "''high-crowned helm with small raven-wings on either side''".<ref>{{RK\|V4}}</ref>