Rhimdath - Revision history

Gamling: Added information, added references

2012-02-19T06:37:16Z

Added information, added references

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	The river-name is found as a pencilled addition by [[J.R.R. Tolkien\|Tolkien]] on the [[:File:CJRT - Map of Wilderland.jpg\|map of Wilderland]] in one of his copies of ''[[The Hobbit]]''.<ref name=RS/> It has been noted that Rhimdath (according to the map) seems to have been joined by another small mountain stream.<ref>[http://www.tuckborough.net/rivers.html#Rushdown Rivers & Falls: Rushdown] at [http://www.tuckborough.net/ The Thain's Book] (accessed 29 April 2011)</ref>		The river-name is found as a pencilled addition by [[J.R.R. Tolkien\|Tolkien]] on the [[:File:CJRT - Map of Wilderland.jpg\|map of Wilderland]] in one of his copies of ''[[The Hobbit]]''.<ref name=RS/> It has been noted that Rhimdath (according to the map) seems to have been joined by another small mountain stream.<ref>[http://www.tuckborough.net/rivers.html#Rushdown Rivers & Falls: Rushdown] at [http://www.tuckborough.net/ The Thain's Book] (accessed 29 April 2011)</ref>
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		+	The river-name is also a feature of the first map of ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' in ''[[The Treason of Isengard]]''. On Map II, in square J-12, both "R.Rushdown" and "Rhimdad" are written next to the short Anduin tributary north of the Carrock.<ref>{{TI\|MII}}, p. 305</ref>

	==Etymology==		==Etymology==

Morgan: /* Etymology */ tweaked + removed OR

2011-07-22T00:34:02Z

Etymology: tweaked + removed OR

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	The first element in ''Rhimdath'' is related to [[Noldorin]] ''[[rhib-]]'', ''[[rhimp]]'', ''rhimmo'' ("to flow like a [?torrent]"), derived from the [[Sundocarme\|stem]] '''[[RIP\|RIP-]]''' ("rush, fly, fling"). [[Christopher Tolkien]] stated that the name ''Rhibdath'' or ''Rhimdath'', given the meaning "Rushdown", was a hastily scribbled addition at the end of the R-stems.<ref>{{LR\|Etymologies}}, p. 384</ref> In the index he noted that this name only appeared in the ''[[The Etymologies\|Etymologies]]'' but is the river described above.<ref>{{LR\|Index}}, p. 446</ref><ref group="note">This was before the publication of ''[[The Return of the Shadow]]''.</ref>		The first element in ''Rhimdath'' is related to [[Noldorin]] ''[[rhib-]]'', ''[[rhimp]]'', ''rhimmo'' ("to flow like a [?torrent]"), derived from the [[Sundocarme\|stem]] '''[[RIP\|RIP-]]''' ("rush, fly, fling"). [[Christopher Tolkien]] stated that the name ''Rhibdath'' or ''Rhimdath'', given the meaning "Rushdown", was a hastily scribbled addition at the end of the R-stems.<ref>{{LR\|Etymologies}}, p. 384</ref> In the index he noted that this name only appeared in the ''[[The Etymologies\|Etymologies]]'' but is the river described above.<ref>{{LR\|Index}}, p. 446</ref><ref group="note">This was before the publication of ''[[The Return of the Shadow]]''.</ref>

−	~~The second element in ''Rhimdath'' is likely a derivative of~~ the stem '''[[DAT\|DAT-]]''' ("fall down"~~).{{or}}~~<ref>{{LR\|Etymologies}}, p. 354</ref>	+	As the stem '''[[DAT\|DAT-]]''' is glossed as "fall down",<ref>{{LR\|Etymologies}}, p. 354</ref> it is possible that the second element in ''Rhimdath'' is a derivative of this stem.

	{{References\|note}}		{{References\|note}}
	[[category:Rivers]]		[[category:Rivers]]
	[[Category:Rhovanion]]		[[Category:Rhovanion]]

Morgan: internal link

2011-04-30T08:38:55Z

internal link

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	The '''Rhimdath''' or '''Rushdown''' was a short, early tributary of the [[Anduin]] River. It flowed from the [[Misty Mountains]] eastward into the Anduin roughly halfway between the [[Langwell]]-[[Greylin]] confluence and the [[Carrock]].<ref name=RS>{{RS\|1XIc}}, p. 205</ref> Given the name "Rushdown" it probably had a steep gradient.		The '''Rhimdath''' or '''Rushdown''' was a short, early tributary of the [[Anduin]] River. It flowed from the [[Misty Mountains]] eastward into the Anduin roughly halfway between the [[Langwell]]-[[Greylin]] confluence and the [[Carrock]].<ref name=RS>{{RS\|1XIc}}, p. 205</ref> Given the name "Rushdown" it probably had a steep gradient.

−	The river-name is found as a pencilled addition by Tolkien on the [[:File:CJRT - Map of Wilderland.jpg\|map of Wilderland]] in one of his copies of ''[[The Hobbit]]''.<ref name=RS/> It has been noted that Rhimdath (according to the map) seems to have been joined by another small mountain stream.<ref>[http://www.tuckborough.net/rivers.html#Rushdown Rivers & Falls: Rushdown] at [http://www.tuckborough.net/ The Thain's Book] (accessed 29 April 2011)</ref>	+	The river-name is found as a pencilled addition by [[J.R.R. Tolkien\|Tolkien]] on the [[:File:CJRT - Map of Wilderland.jpg\|map of Wilderland]] in one of his copies of ''[[The Hobbit]]''.<ref name=RS/> It has been noted that Rhimdath (according to the map) seems to have been joined by another small mountain stream.<ref>[http://www.tuckborough.net/rivers.html#Rushdown Rivers & Falls: Rushdown] at [http://www.tuckborough.net/ The Thain's Book] (accessed 29 April 2011)</ref>

	==Etymology==		==Etymology==

Morgan: /* Etymology */

2011-04-29T18:51:55Z

Etymology

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	The first element in ''Rhimdath'' is related to [[Noldorin]] ''[[rhib-]]'', ''[[rhimp]]'', ''rhimmo'' ("to flow like a [?torrent]"), derived from the [[Sundocarme\|stem]] '''[[RIP\|RIP-]]''' ("rush, fly, fling"). [[Christopher Tolkien]] stated that the name ''Rhibdath'' or ''Rhimdath'', given the meaning "Rushdown", was a hastily scribbled addition at the end of the R-stems.<ref>{{LR\|Etymologies}}, p. 384</ref> In the index he noted that this name only appeared in the ''[[The Etymologies\|Etymologies]]'' but is the river described above.<ref>{{LR\|Index}}, p. 446</ref><ref group="note">This was before the publication of ''[[The Return of the Shadow]]''.</ref>		The first element in ''Rhimdath'' is related to [[Noldorin]] ''[[rhib-]]'', ''[[rhimp]]'', ''rhimmo'' ("to flow like a [?torrent]"), derived from the [[Sundocarme\|stem]] '''[[RIP\|RIP-]]''' ("rush, fly, fling"). [[Christopher Tolkien]] stated that the name ''Rhibdath'' or ''Rhimdath'', given the meaning "Rushdown", was a hastily scribbled addition at the end of the R-stems.<ref>{{LR\|Etymologies}}, p. 384</ref> In the index he noted that this name only appeared in the ''[[The Etymologies\|Etymologies]]'' but is the river described above.<ref>{{LR\|Index}}, p. 446</ref><ref group="note">This was before the publication of ''[[The Return of the Shadow]]''.</ref>

−	The second element in ''Rhimdath'' is a likely derivative of the stem '''[[DAT\|DAT-]]''' ("fall down").{{or}}<ref>{{LR\|Etymologies}}, p. 354</ref>	+	The second element in ''Rhimdath'' is likely a derivative of the stem '''[[DAT\|DAT-]]''' ("fall down").{{or}}<ref>{{LR\|Etymologies}}, p. 354</ref>

	{{References\|note}}		{{References\|note}}
	[[category:Rivers]]		[[category:Rivers]]
	[[Category:Rhovanion]]		[[Category:Rhovanion]]

Morgan: further tweaks (refs, additional info)

2011-04-29T18:47:54Z

further tweaks (refs, additional info)

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−	The '''Rhimdath''' or '''Rushdown''' was a short, early tributary of the [[Anduin]] River. It flowed from the [[Misty Mountains]] eastward into the Anduin roughly halfway between the [[Langwell]]-[[Greylin]] confluence and the [[Carrock]]. Given the name "Rushdown" it probably had a steep gradient.	+	The '''Rhimdath''' or '''Rushdown''' was a short, early tributary of the [[Anduin]] River. It flowed from the [[Misty Mountains]] eastward into the Anduin roughly halfway between the [[Langwell]]-[[Greylin]] confluence and the [[Carrock]].<ref name=RS>{{RS\|1XIc}}, p. 205</ref> Given the name "Rushdown" it probably had a steep gradient.
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		+	The river-name is found as a pencilled addition by Tolkien on the [[:File:CJRT - Map of Wilderland.jpg\|map of Wilderland]] in one of his copies of ''[[The Hobbit]]''.<ref name=RS/> It has been noted that Rhimdath (according to the map) seems to have been joined by another small mountain stream.<ref>[http://www.tuckborough.net/rivers.html#Rushdown Rivers & Falls: Rushdown] at [http://www.tuckborough.net/ The Thain's Book] (accessed 29 April 2011)</ref>
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	==Etymology==		==Etymology==
−	The first element in ''Rhimdath'' is related to [[Noldorin]] ''[[rhib-]]'', ''[[rhimp]]'', ''rhimmo'' ("to flow like a [?torrent]"), derived from the [[Sundocarme\|stem]] '''[[RIP\|RIP-]]''' ("rush, fly, fling"). [[Christopher Tolkien]] stated that the name ''Rhibdath'' or ''Rhimdath'', given the meaning "Rushdown", was a hastily scribbled addition at the end of the R-stems.<ref>{{LR\|Etymologies}}, p. 384</ref> In the index he noted that this name only appeared in ''[[The Etymologies]]'' but is the river described above.<ref>{{LR\|Index}}, p. 446</ref>	+	The first element in ''Rhimdath'' is related to [[Noldorin]] ''[[rhib-]]'', ''[[rhimp]]'', ''rhimmo'' ("to flow like a [?torrent]"), derived from the [[Sundocarme\|stem]] '''[[RIP\|RIP-]]''' ("rush, fly, fling"). [[Christopher Tolkien]] stated that the name ''Rhibdath'' or ''Rhimdath'', given the meaning "Rushdown", was a hastily scribbled addition at the end of the R-stems.<ref>{{LR\|Etymologies}}, p. 384</ref> In the index he noted that this name only appeared in the ''[[The Etymologies\|Etymologies]]'' but is the river described above.<ref>{{LR\|Index}}, p. 446</ref><ref group="note">This was before the publication of ''[[The Return of the Shadow]]''.</ref>

	The second element in ''Rhimdath'' is a likely derivative of the stem '''[[DAT\|DAT-]]''' ("fall down").{{or}}<ref>{{LR\|Etymologies}}, p. 354</ref>		The second element in ''Rhimdath'' is a likely derivative of the stem '''[[DAT\|DAT-]]''' ("fall down").{{or}}<ref>{{LR\|Etymologies}}, p. 354</ref>

−	{{References}}	+	{{References\|note}}
	[[category:Rivers]]		[[category:Rivers]]
	[[Category:Rhovanion]]		[[Category:Rhovanion]]

Sage at 17:46, 29 April 2011

2011-04-29T17:46:03Z

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	The '''Rhimdath''' or '''Rushdown''' was a short, early tributary of the [[Anduin]] River. It flowed from the [[Misty Mountains]] eastward into the Anduin roughly halfway between the [[Langwell]]-[[Greylin]] confluence and the [[Carrock]]. Given the name "Rushdown" it probably had a steep gradient.		The '''Rhimdath''' or '''Rushdown''' was a short, early tributary of the [[Anduin]] River. It flowed from the [[Misty Mountains]] eastward into the Anduin roughly halfway between the [[Langwell]]-[[Greylin]] confluence and the [[Carrock]]. Given the name "Rushdown" it probably had a steep gradient.
	==Etymology==		==Etymology==
−	The first element in ''Rhimdath'' is related to Noldorin ''rhib''-, ''rhimp'', ''rhimmo'' ("to flow like a [?torrent]"), derived from the [[Sundocarme\|stem]] '''[[RIP\|RIP-]]''' ("rush, fly, fling"). [[Christopher Tolkien]] stated that the name ''Rhibdath'' or ''Rhimdath'', given the meaning "Rushdown", was a hastily scribbled addition at the end of the R-stems.<ref>{{LR\|Etymologies}}, p. 384</ref> In the index he noted that this name only appeared in ~~the~~ ''[[The ~~Etymologies\|~~Etymologies]]'' but is the river described above.<ref>{{LR\|Index}}, p. 446</ref> The second element in ''Rhimdath'' is a likely derivative of the stem '''[[DAT\|DAT-]]''' ("fall down").{{or}}<ref>{{LR\|Etymologies}}, p. 354</ref>	+	The first element in ''Rhimdath'' is related to [[Noldorin]] ''[[rhib-]]'', ''[[rhimp]]'', ''rhimmo'' ("to flow like a [?torrent]"), derived from the [[Sundocarme\|stem]] '''[[RIP\|RIP-]]''' ("rush, fly, fling"). [[Christopher Tolkien]] stated that the name ''Rhibdath'' or ''Rhimdath'', given the meaning "Rushdown", was a hastily scribbled addition at the end of the R-stems.<ref>{{LR\|Etymologies}}, p. 384</ref> In the index he noted that this name only appeared in ''[[The Etymologies]]'' but is the river described above.<ref>{{LR\|Index}}, p. 446</ref>
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		+	The second element in ''Rhimdath'' is a likely derivative of the stem '''[[DAT\|DAT-]]''' ("fall down").{{or}}<ref>{{LR\|Etymologies}}, p. 354</ref>

	{{References}}		{{References}}
	[[category:Rivers]]		[[category:Rivers]]
	[[Category:Rhovanion]]		[[Category:Rhovanion]]

Morgan: /* Etymology */ further tweaks to etymology

2011-04-29T17:25:43Z

Etymology: further tweaks to etymology

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	The '''Rhimdath''' or '''Rushdown''' was a short, early tributary of the [[Anduin]] River. It flowed from the [[Misty Mountains]] eastward into the Anduin roughly halfway between the [[Langwell]]-[[Greylin]] confluence and the [[Carrock]]. Given the name "Rushdown" it probably had a steep gradient.		The '''Rhimdath''' or '''Rushdown''' was a short, early tributary of the [[Anduin]] River. It flowed from the [[Misty Mountains]] eastward into the Anduin roughly halfway between the [[Langwell]]-[[Greylin]] confluence and the [[Carrock]]. Given the name "Rushdown" it probably had a steep gradient.
	==Etymology==		==Etymology==
−	''Rhimdath'' is derived from the [[Sundocarme\|~~stems~~]] '''[[RIP\|RIP-]]''' ("rush, fly, fling~~") and '''[[DAT\|DAT-]]''' ("fall down~~"). [[Christopher Tolkien]] stated that the name ''Rhibdath'' or ''Rhimdath'', given the meaning "Rushdown", was a hastily scribbled addition at the end of the R-stems.<ref>{{LR\|Etymologies}}, pp. ~~354,~~ 384</ref> In the index he noted that this name only appeared in the ''[[The Etymologies\|Etymologies]]'' but is the river described above.<ref>{{LR\|Index}}, p. 446</ref>	+	The first element in ''Rhimdath'' is related to Noldorin ''rhib''-, ''rhimp'', ''rhimmo'' ("to flow like a [?torrent]"), derived from the [[Sundocarme\|stem]] '''[[RIP\|RIP-]]''' ("rush, fly, fling"). [[Christopher Tolkien]] stated that the name ''Rhibdath'' or ''Rhimdath'', given the meaning "Rushdown", was a hastily scribbled addition at the end of the R-stems.<ref>{{LR\|Etymologies}}, p. 384</ref> In the index he noted that this name only appeared in the ''[[The Etymologies\|Etymologies]]'' but is the river described above.<ref>{{LR\|Index}}, p. 446</ref> The second element in ''Rhimdath'' is a likely derivative of the stem '''[[DAT\|DAT-]]''' ("fall down").{{or}}<ref>{{LR\|Etymologies}}, p. 354</ref>
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	{{References}}		{{References}}
	[[category:Rivers]]		[[category:Rivers]]
	[[Category:Rhovanion]]		[[Category:Rhovanion]]

Morgan: some tweaking to etymology and moving certain info to separate articles

2011-04-29T17:04:59Z

some tweaking to etymology and moving certain info to separate articles

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	The '''Rhimdath''' or '''Rushdown''' was a short, early tributary of the [[Anduin]] River. It flowed from the [[Misty Mountains]] eastward into the Anduin roughly halfway between the [[Langwell]]-[[Greylin]] confluence and the [[Carrock]]. Given the name "Rushdown" it probably had a steep gradient.		The '''Rhimdath''' or '''Rushdown''' was a short, early tributary of the [[Anduin]] River. It flowed from the [[Misty Mountains]] eastward into the Anduin roughly halfway between the [[Langwell]]-[[Greylin]] confluence and the [[Carrock]]. Given the name "Rushdown" it probably had a steep gradient.
	==Etymology==		==Etymology==
−	~~The stem~~ '''~~RIP-~~'~~'' means to "rush, fly, fling";~~ from ~~this comes~~ [[~~Quenya~~]] ''~~rimpa~~'~~' and Noldorin (~~[[~~Sindarin~~]]) '~~'rhib-~~'', ~~''rhimp-''~~, ''~~rhimmo~~'~~', meaning "to flow like a~~ [~~?torrent]". The stem '''~~DAT-'''~~, '''DATH-''' means~~ "fall down". [[Christopher Tolkien]] stated that the name ''Rhibdath'' or ''Rhimdath'', meaning "Rushdown" was a hastily scribbled addition at the end of the R-stems.<ref>{{LR\|Etymologies}}</ref> In the index he noted that this name only appeared in the ''Etymologies'' but is the river described above.<ref>{{LR\|Index}}</ref>	+	''Rhimdath'' is derived from the [[Sundocarme\|stems]] '''[[RIP\|RIP-]]''' ("rush, fly, fling") and '''[[DAT\|DAT-]]''' ("fall down"). [[Christopher Tolkien]] stated that the name ''Rhibdath'' or ''Rhimdath'', given the meaning "Rushdown", was a hastily scribbled addition at the end of the R-stems.<ref>{{LR\|Etymologies}}, pp. 354, 384</ref> In the index he noted that this name only appeared in the ''[[The Etymologies\|Etymologies]]'' but is the river described above.<ref>{{LR\|Index}}, p. 446</ref>
	{{References}}		{{References}}
	[[category:Rivers]]		[[category:Rivers]]
	[[Category:Rhovanion]]		[[Category:Rhovanion]]

Morgan: removed internal links to "Rushdown"

2011-04-25T19:34:39Z

removed internal links to "Rushdown"

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−	The '''Rhimdath''' or [[Rushdown]] was a short, early tributary of the [[Anduin]] River. It flowed from the [[Misty Mountains]] eastward into the Anduin roughly halfway between the [[Langwell]]-[[Greylin]] confluence and the [[Carrock]]. Given the name "Rushdown" it probably had a steep gradient.	+	The '''Rhimdath''' or '''Rushdown''' was a short, early tributary of the [[Anduin]] River. It flowed from the [[Misty Mountains]] eastward into the Anduin roughly halfway between the [[Langwell]]-[[Greylin]] confluence and the [[Carrock]]. Given the name "Rushdown" it probably had a steep gradient.
	==Etymology==		==Etymology==
	The stem '''RIP-''' means to "rush, fly, fling"; from this comes [[Quenya]] ''rimpa'' and Noldorin ([[Sindarin]]) ''rhib-'', ''rhimp-'', ''rhimmo'', meaning "to flow like a [?torrent]". The stem '''DAT-''', '''DATH-''' means "fall down". [[Christopher Tolkien]] stated that the name ''Rhibdath'' or ''Rhimdath'', meaning "Rushdown" was a hastily scribbled addition at the end of the R-stems.<ref>{{LR\|Etymologies}}</ref> In the index he noted that this name only appeared in the ''Etymologies'' but is the river described above.<ref>{{LR\|Index}}</ref>		The stem '''RIP-''' means to "rush, fly, fling"; from this comes [[Quenya]] ''rimpa'' and Noldorin ([[Sindarin]]) ''rhib-'', ''rhimp-'', ''rhimmo'', meaning "to flow like a [?torrent]". The stem '''DAT-''', '''DATH-''' means "fall down". [[Christopher Tolkien]] stated that the name ''Rhibdath'' or ''Rhimdath'', meaning "Rushdown" was a hastily scribbled addition at the end of the R-stems.<ref>{{LR\|Etymologies}}</ref> In the index he noted that this name only appeared in the ''Etymologies'' but is the river described above.<ref>{{LR\|Index}}</ref>

Morgan: changed to past tense

2011-04-25T19:32:14Z

changed to past tense

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−	The '''Rhimdath''' or [[Rushdown]] is a short, early tributary of the [[Anduin]] River. It ~~flows~~ from the [[Misty Mountains]] eastward into the Anduin roughly halfway between the [[Langwell]]-[[Greylin]] confluence and the [[Carrock]]. Given the name "Rushdown" it probably ~~has~~ a steep gradient.	+	The '''Rhimdath''' or [[Rushdown]] was a short, early tributary of the [[Anduin]] River. It flowed from the [[Misty Mountains]] eastward into the Anduin roughly halfway between the [[Langwell]]-[[Greylin]] confluence and the [[Carrock]]. Given the name "Rushdown" it probably had a steep gradient.
	==Etymology==		==Etymology==
	The stem '''RIP-''' means to "rush, fly, fling"; from this comes [[Quenya]] ''rimpa'' and Noldorin ([[Sindarin]]) ''rhib-'', ''rhimp-'', ''rhimmo'', meaning "to flow like a [?torrent]". The stem '''DAT-''', '''DATH-''' means "fall down". [[Christopher Tolkien]] stated that the name ''Rhibdath'' or ''Rhimdath'', meaning "Rushdown" was a hastily scribbled addition at the end of the R-stems.<ref>{{LR\|Etymologies}}</ref> In the index he noted that this name only appeared in the ''Etymologies'' but is the river described above.<ref>{{LR\|Index}}</ref>		The stem '''RIP-''' means to "rush, fly, fling"; from this comes [[Quenya]] ''rimpa'' and Noldorin ([[Sindarin]]) ''rhib-'', ''rhimp-'', ''rhimmo'', meaning "to flow like a [?torrent]". The stem '''DAT-''', '''DATH-''' means "fall down". [[Christopher Tolkien]] stated that the name ''Rhibdath'' or ''Rhimdath'', meaning "Rushdown" was a hastily scribbled addition at the end of the R-stems.<ref>{{LR\|Etymologies}}</ref> In the index he noted that this name only appeared in the ''Etymologies'' but is the river described above.<ref>{{LR\|Index}}</ref>