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}}'''Saeros''' ([[Years of the Trees]] – {{FA|484}}) was an Elf of the [[Nandor]]<ref name="S-Turin">{{S|Turin}}</ref> who lived in [[Doriath]].
'''Saeros''' ([[Years of the Trees]] – [[First Age]] 484) was an Elf of the [[Nandor]] who lived in [[Doriath]].
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==History==
 
==History==
Saeros was a member of the court of King [[Thingol]] after the [[First Battle]]. When [[Túrin]] came to Doriath as a fosterchild five centuries later, Saeros had become a councilor to the King, and was jealous that such honor should be given to a [[Man]].  
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Saeros was a member of the court of King [[Thingol]] after the [[First Battle]]. When [[Túrin]] came to Doriath as a fosterchild five centuries later, Saeros had become a counsellor to the King, and was jealous that such honor should be given to a [[Man]].  
  
When Túrin was seventeen, Saeros insulted him at a royal dinner, comparing the [[House of Hador|Men of Hithlum]] to animals. In his anger Túrin struck him with a goblet, injurying him. The next day Saeros ambushed Túrin in the woods, but was overcome. Túrin went on to strip him naked and told him to run back to [[Menegroth]] like an animal. While running in terror Saeros fell into a ravine and died. Túrin, fearing King Thingol's wrath, fled Doriath, calling himself ''[[Neithan]]'' ("The Wronged").
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When Túrin was seventeen, Saeros insulted him at a royal dinner, comparing the [[House of Hador|Men of Hithlum]] to animals. In his anger Túrin struck him with a goblet, injuring him. The next day Saeros ambushed Túrin in the woods, but was overcome. Túrin went on to strip him naked and told him to run back to [[Menegroth]] like an animal. While running in terror Saeros fell into a ravine and died. Túrin, fearing King Thingol's wrath, fled Doriath, calling himself ''[[Neithan]]'' ("The Wronged").
  
 
== Etymology ==
 
== Etymology ==
Saeros' name is difficult to translate, but might mean "Bitter Rain" in [[Sindarin]] (from ''[[saer]]'' = "bitter" and ''[[ross]]'' = "rain"). If "bitter" is the root word of his name, than ''Saeros'' is probably a epithet.
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Saeros' name is difficult to translate, but might mean "Bitter Rain" in [[Sindarin]] (from ''[[saer]]'' = "bitter" and ''[[ross]]'' = "rain").{{fact}} If "bitter" is the root word of his name, than ''Saeros'' is probably a epithet.{{fact}}
  
 
== Other Versions of the Legendarium ==
 
== Other Versions of the Legendarium ==
Saeros was named '''Orgof''' in ''[[The Grey Annals]]''. He never confronted Túrin in the woods, but is killed at the dinner party by the goblet Túrin threw at him.<ref>{{WJ|One}}</ref>
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Saeros was named '''''Orgof''''' in ''[[The Grey Annals]]'', ''[[The Later Annals of Beleriand]]'' and earlier version of ''The Silmarillion''.<ref name="LR">{{LR|Quenta}}, p. 321</ref><ref name="SM">{{SM|Silmarillion}}, pp. 28 & 58</ref> He never confronted Túrin in the woods, but is killed at the dinner party by the goblet Túrin threw at him.<ref>{{WJ|One}}</ref>  
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In an accompanying note to ''The Grey Annals'', [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]] wrote the name '''''Orgol''''' in the margin;<ref name=WJP1/> in the appendix to ''[[The Children of Húrin]]'', [[Christopher Tolkien]] made the following comment on the issue:
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{{blockquote|It seems, incidentally, certain from a closer understanding of the relations of the manuscripts that my father rejected the name ''Saeros'' and replaced it by ''Orgol'', which by 'linguistic accident' coincides with Old English ''orgol'', ''orgel'' 'pride'. But it seems to me too late now to remove ''Saeros''.|{{CH|A2}}, p. 287}}
  
 
== See Also ==
 
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Saeros
Nando
Biographical Information
Other namesOrgol (see below)
PositionCounsellor to Thingol
LocationDoriath
AffiliationGuest-elves[1]
LanguageDoriathrin
DeathF.A. 484[2]
Tributary of Esgalduin[3]
Family
ParentageIthilbor[4]
Physical Description
GenderMale
ClothingShield[5]
WeaponrySword[5]
Saeros (Years of the TreesF.A. 484) was an Elf of the Nandor[6] who lived in Doriath.

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History

Saeros was a member of the court of King Thingol after the First Battle. When Túrin came to Doriath as a fosterchild five centuries later, Saeros had become a counsellor to the King, and was jealous that such honor should be given to a Man.

When Túrin was seventeen, Saeros insulted him at a royal dinner, comparing the Men of Hithlum to animals. In his anger Túrin struck him with a goblet, injuring him. The next day Saeros ambushed Túrin in the woods, but was overcome. Túrin went on to strip him naked and told him to run back to Menegroth like an animal. While running in terror Saeros fell into a ravine and died. Túrin, fearing King Thingol's wrath, fled Doriath, calling himself Neithan ("The Wronged").

Etymology

Saeros' name is difficult to translate, but might mean "Bitter Rain" in Sindarin (from saer = "bitter" and ross = "rain").[source?] If "bitter" is the root word of his name, than Saeros is probably a epithet.[source?]

Other Versions of the Legendarium

Saeros was named Orgof in The Grey Annals, The Later Annals of Beleriand and earlier version of The Silmarillion.[7][8] He never confronted Túrin in the woods, but is killed at the dinner party by the goblet Túrin threw at him.[9]

In an accompanying note to The Grey Annals, Tolkien wrote the name Orgol in the margin;[1] in the appendix to The Children of Húrin, Christopher Tolkien made the following comment on the issue:

It seems, incidentally, certain from a closer understanding of the relations of the manuscripts that my father rejected the name Saeros and replaced it by Orgol, which by 'linguistic accident' coincides with Old English orgol, orgel 'pride'. But it seems to me too late now to remove Saeros.
J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The Children of Húrin, "Appendix 2: The Composition of the Text", p. 287

See Also

References

  1. 1.0 1.1 J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The War of the Jewels, "Part One. The Grey Annals", pp. 112-3
  2. J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The War of the Jewels, "The Grey Annals": §259
  3. J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The Children of Húrin, "Túrin in Doriath", p. 90
  4. J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), Unfinished Tales, "Narn i Hîn Húrin (The Tale of the Children of Húrin)"
  5. 5.0 5.1 J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The Children of Húrin, "Túrin in Doriath", p. 85
  6. J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The Silmarillion, "Quenta Silmarillion: Of Túrin Turambar"
  7. J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The Lost Road and Other Writings, "Part Two: Valinor and Middle-earth before The Lord of the Rings, VI. Quenta Silmarillion", p. 321
  8. J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The Shaping of Middle-earth, "II. The Earliest 'Silmarillion' (The 'Sketch of the Mythology')", pp. 28 & 58
  9. J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The War of the Jewels, "Part One. The Grey Annals"