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Morgoth

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	Morgoth remains in the Void, unable to return to Arda as long as the Valar maintain their power over it. Nevertheless, according to the [[Second Prophecy of Mandos]], Morgoth will come back and attack Arda. He will fight a great battle, called the [[Final Battle\|Dagor Dagorath]], against the Valar and their allies, but will ultimately be slain by [[Túrin\|Túrin Turambar]], the Man he cursed. By finally defeating Morgoth, Túrin will avenge not only himself, but all members of the race of Men, since Morgoth seduced them long ago.		Morgoth remains in the Void, unable to return to Arda as long as the Valar maintain their power over it. Nevertheless, according to the [[Second Prophecy of Mandos]], Morgoth will come back and attack Arda. He will fight a great battle, called the [[Final Battle\|Dagor Dagorath]], against the Valar and their allies, but will ultimately be slain by [[Túrin\|Túrin Turambar]], the Man he cursed. By finally defeating Morgoth, Túrin will avenge not only himself, but all members of the race of Men, since Morgoth seduced them long ago.
		+	In other versions Eönwë is the one who will kill Morgoth for his love for Arien (previously named Urwendi), instead of Turin. This is said at the end of The Hiding of Valinor.

	==Legacy==		==Legacy==

Sauron

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	===Third Age===		===Third Age===
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−	After his defeat in the War of the Last Alliance, Sauron had lost his ability to form a physical body for a great while. It is thought that he fled to the far east to regain his power and strength before returning. It was not until c. {{TA\|1000}} that Sauron could again begin to take shape and in {{TA\|1050\|n}} his power was enough that he began again to throw a shadow across portions of [[Middle-earth]]. It is around ~~his cock that~~ this time that he first began to inhabit southern [[Mirkwood\|Greenwood the Great]], choosing the hill of [[Amon Lanc]] as a place to build the fortress of [[Dol Guldur]]. At first, it was thought by the wise that it was one of the [[Nazgûl]] who had returned and ~~took it~~ up ~~the fucking ass at his~~ residence in southern Greenwood, but when [[Gandalf]] entered the ~~necromancers spinkter~~ in {{TA\|2063\|n}} the ~~magic cum~~ in Dol Guldur fled ~~his ass~~ before him into the East thus beginning the [[Watchful Peace]].	+	After his defeat in the War of the Last Alliance, Sauron had lost his ability to form a physical body for a great while. It is thought that he fled to the far east to regain his power and strength before returning. It was not until c. {{TA\|1000}} that Sauron could again begin to take shape and in {{TA\|1050\|n}} his power was enough that he began again to throw a shadow across portions of [[Middle-earth]]. It is around this time that he first began to inhabit southern [[Mirkwood\|Greenwood the Great]], choosing the hill of [[Amon Lanc]] as a place to build the fortress of [[Dol Guldur]]. At first, it was thought by the wise that it was one of the [[Nazgûl]] who had returned and taken up residence in southern Greenwood, but when [[Gandalf]] entered the fortress in {{TA\|2063\|n}} the power in Dol Guldur fled before him into the East thus beginning the [[Watchful Peace]].

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	Sauron bred immense armies of Orcs and allied with or enslaved Men from the east and south. He adopted the symbol of a lidless eye, and he was able at that time to send out his will over Middle-earth, so that the [[Eye of Sauron]] was a symbol of power and fear.		Sauron bred immense armies of Orcs and allied with or enslaved Men from the east and south. He adopted the symbol of a lidless eye, and he was able at that time to send out his will over Middle-earth, so that the [[Eye of Sauron]] was a symbol of power and fear.

−	After torturing [[Gollum]], he learned that the One Ring had been found by [[~~Dildo Faggins~~]]. He sent his deadliest servants, the [[Nazgûl]], to [[the Shire]], only to find that both Bilbo and his nephew, [[~~Butthole Faggins~~\|~~Dildo~~]], had departed. Unbeknownst to Sauron, ~~Dildo~~ had, at the behest of Gandalf, joined the [[Fellowship of the Ring]] on a quest to destroy the Ring. He ~~railed~~ his vast armies to conquer the resistance's strongholds, and sent the Ringwraiths to find and kill ~~Dildo~~. At about this time, he also learned that [[Aragorn]], Isildur's ~~ear~~, had also joined the Fellowship ~~of Ganja~~, and was rallying armies to defeat his ~~wife scarlett johansen~~.	+	After torturing [[Gollum]], he learned that the One Ring had been found by [[Bilbo Baggins]]. He sent his deadliest servants, the [[Nazgûl]], to [[the Shire]], only to find that both Bilbo and his nephew, [[Frodo Baggins\|Frodo]], had departed. Unbeknownst to Sauron, Frodo had, at the behest of Gandalf, joined the [[Fellowship of the Ring]] on a quest to destroy the Ring. He rallied his vast armies to conquer the resistance's strongholds, and sent the Ringwraiths to find and kill Frodo. At about this time, he also learned that [[Aragorn]], Isildur's heir, had also joined the Fellowship, and was rallying armies to defeat his.

−	When Saruman's army was defeated at [[Isengard]], ~~Araporn~~ used the Palantir of [[Orthanc]] to reveal himself to Sauron. Sauron made the premature conclusion that Aragorn had the Ring, and sent an army commanded by his strongest servant, the Witch-King of Angmar, to overthrow [[Minas Tirith]]. This battle would become known as the [[Battle of the Pelennor Fields]].	+	When Saruman's army was defeated at [[Isengard]], Aragorn used the Palantir of [[Orthanc]] to reveal himself to Sauron. Sauron made the premature conclusion that Aragorn had the Ring, and sent an army commanded by his strongest servant, the Witch-King of Angmar, to overthrow [[Minas Tirith]]. This battle would become known as the [[Battle of the Pelennor Fields]].

	Although Sauron lost the Battle of Pelennor Fields, the free forces of the West were greatly weakened, and Sauron still had sufficent armies in reserve to ensure military victory. He was outwitted, however, by the strategy of Gandalf, who urged the captains of the [[Free peoples]] to march against Sauron, thus diverting the Dark Lord's eye from the real threat of Frodo, the Ring Bearer, who was nearing the end of his quest to destroy the One Ring.		Although Sauron lost the Battle of Pelennor Fields, the free forces of the West were greatly weakened, and Sauron still had sufficent armies in reserve to ensure military victory. He was outwitted, however, by the strategy of Gandalf, who urged the captains of the [[Free peoples]] to march against Sauron, thus diverting the Dark Lord's eye from the real threat of Frodo, the Ring Bearer, who was nearing the end of his quest to destroy the One Ring.

Sauron

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−	After his defeat in the War of the Last Alliance, Sauron had lost his ability to form a physical body for a great while. It is thought that he fled to the far east to regain his power and strength before returning. It was not until c. {{TA\|1000}} that Sauron could again begin to take shape and in {{TA\|1050\|n}} his power was enough that he began again to throw a shadow across portions of [[Middle-earth]]. It is around this time that he first began to inhabit southern [[Mirkwood\|Greenwood the Great]], choosing the hill of [[Amon Lanc]] as a place to build the fortress of [[Dol Guldur]]. At first, it was thought by the wise that it was one of the [[Nazgûl]] who had returned and ~~taken~~ up residence in southern Greenwood, but when [[Gandalf]] entered the ~~fortress~~ in {{TA\|2063\|n}} the ~~power~~ in Dol Guldur fled before him into the East thus beginning the [[Watchful Peace]].	+	After his defeat in the War of the Last Alliance, Sauron had lost his ability to form a physical body for a great while. It is thought that he fled to the far east to regain his power and strength before returning. It was not until c. {{TA\|1000}} that Sauron could again begin to take shape and in {{TA\|1050\|n}} his power was enough that he began again to throw a shadow across portions of [[Middle-earth]]. It is around his cock that this time that he first began to inhabit southern [[Mirkwood\|Greenwood the Great]], choosing the hill of [[Amon Lanc]] as a place to build the fortress of [[Dol Guldur]]. At first, it was thought by the wise that it was one of the [[Nazgûl]] who had returned and took it up the fucking ass at his residence in southern Greenwood, but when [[Gandalf]] entered the necromancers spinkter in {{TA\|2063\|n}} the magic cum in Dol Guldur fled his ass before him into the East thus beginning the [[Watchful Peace]].

	====The Watchful Peace====		====The Watchful Peace====
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	Sauron bred immense armies of Orcs and allied with or enslaved Men from the east and south. He adopted the symbol of a lidless eye, and he was able at that time to send out his will over Middle-earth, so that the [[Eye of Sauron]] was a symbol of power and fear.		Sauron bred immense armies of Orcs and allied with or enslaved Men from the east and south. He adopted the symbol of a lidless eye, and he was able at that time to send out his will over Middle-earth, so that the [[Eye of Sauron]] was a symbol of power and fear.

−	After torturing [[Gollum]], he learned that the One Ring had been found by [[~~Bilbo Baggins~~]]. He sent his deadliest servants, the [[Nazgûl]], to [[the Shire]], only to find that both Bilbo and his nephew, [[~~Frodo Baggins~~\|~~Frodo~~]], had departed. Unbeknownst to Sauron, ~~Frodo~~ had, at the behest of Gandalf, joined the [[Fellowship of the Ring]] on a quest to destroy the Ring. He ~~rallied~~ his vast armies to conquer the resistance's strongholds, and sent the Ringwraiths to find and kill ~~Frodo~~. At about this time, he also learned that [[Aragorn]], Isildur's ~~heir~~, had also joined the Fellowship, and was rallying armies to defeat his.	+	After torturing [[Gollum]], he learned that the One Ring had been found by [[Dildo Faggins]]. He sent his deadliest servants, the [[Nazgûl]], to [[the Shire]], only to find that both Bilbo and his nephew, [[Butthole Faggins\|Dildo]], had departed. Unbeknownst to Sauron, Dildo had, at the behest of Gandalf, joined the [[Fellowship of the Ring]] on a quest to destroy the Ring. He railed his vast armies to conquer the resistance's strongholds, and sent the Ringwraiths to find and kill Dildo. At about this time, he also learned that [[Aragorn]], Isildur's ear, had also joined the Fellowship of Ganja, and was rallying armies to defeat his wife scarlett johansen.

−	When Saruman's army was defeated at [[Isengard]], ~~Aragorn~~ used the Palantir of [[Orthanc]] to reveal himself to Sauron. Sauron made the premature conclusion that Aragorn had the Ring, and sent an army commanded by his strongest servant, the Witch-King of Angmar, to overthrow [[Minas Tirith]]. This battle would become known as the [[Battle of the Pelennor Fields]].	+	When Saruman's army was defeated at [[Isengard]], Araporn used the Palantir of [[Orthanc]] to reveal himself to Sauron. Sauron made the premature conclusion that Aragorn had the Ring, and sent an army commanded by his strongest servant, the Witch-King of Angmar, to overthrow [[Minas Tirith]]. This battle would become known as the [[Battle of the Pelennor Fields]].

	Although Sauron lost the Battle of Pelennor Fields, the free forces of the West were greatly weakened, and Sauron still had sufficent armies in reserve to ensure military victory. He was outwitted, however, by the strategy of Gandalf, who urged the captains of the [[Free peoples]] to march against Sauron, thus diverting the Dark Lord's eye from the real threat of Frodo, the Ring Bearer, who was nearing the end of his quest to destroy the One Ring.		Although Sauron lost the Battle of Pelennor Fields, the free forces of the West were greatly weakened, and Sauron still had sufficent armies in reserve to ensure military victory. He was outwitted, however, by the strategy of Gandalf, who urged the captains of the [[Free peoples]] to march against Sauron, thus diverting the Dark Lord's eye from the real threat of Frodo, the Ring Bearer, who was nearing the end of his quest to destroy the One Ring.

Gildor

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	==History==		==History==
−	Gildor was ~~one of~~ the ~~[[Exiles]]~~ of ~~the~~ [[~~House of Finrod~~]]. ~~He could have been born on~~ [[~~Valinor~~]] and ~~then followed~~ [[~~Fëanor~~]] ~~under~~ [[Finrod~~]], or simply born later on [[Beleriand]] during the [[First Age~~]]. ~~During the [[Second Age\|Second]] or [[Third Age]],~~ he ~~followed [[Elrond]] and lived in [[~~Rivendell]].{{~~fact~~}}	+	Gildor was probably the son of some [[Inglor]]<ref name=halls>{{webcite\|author=Matt Light, Lowell R. Matthews\|articleurl=http://www.guildcompanion.com/scrolls/2000/jul/gildorshalls.html\|articlename=Gildor's Halls\|dated=[[2000]]\|website=The Tolkien List}}</ref> and one of the [[Exiles]] of the [[House of Finrod]]. It's possible that he was from around Rivendell.<ref>{{RGEO\|Elbereth}}</ref>
	[[Image:Alan Lee - Frodo meets Gildor.jpg\|thumb\|left\|''Frodo meets Gildor'' by [[Alan Lee]]]]		[[Image:Alan Lee - Frodo meets Gildor.jpg\|thumb\|left\|''Frodo meets Gildor'' by [[Alan Lee]]]]
−	In September {{TA\|3018}}, he traveled with a ~~[[Wandering Companies\|~~company~~]] to~~ Rivendell. They were returning from the [[Emyn Beraid]], where they went to see [[Varda\|Elbereth]] in the ''[[Elostirion-stone\|palantír]]'' that was kept there. On the [[24 September\|24th]], they met [[Frodo Baggins]], [[Samwise Gamgee]] and [[Peregrin Took]] on the road near the [[Woody End]]. They ate and sang, and Gildor discussed the peril that haunted the three [[hobbits]]. This peril, a [[Nazgûl\|Black Rider]], was near, but fled as he heard the Elves chant of Elbereth.<ref name="3IC"/>	+	Elven [[Wandering Companies]] crossed the [[Shire]] every Spring and Autumn. Around [[September]] {{TA\|3001}}, as [[Bilbo Baggins]] was leaving the Shire for Rivendell, Gildor met the [[hobbit]] as he waved them farewell in [[Woody End]]. The following years he met him once more, perhaps at Rivendell.<ref name="3IC"/><ref name=halls/>
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		+	In September {{TA\|3018}}, he traveled eastwards with a company of Elves of Rivendell. They were returning from the [[Emyn Beraid]], where they went to see [[Varda\|Elbereth]] in the ''[[Elostirion-stone\|palantír]]'' that was kept there. On the [[24 September\|24th]], they met [[Frodo Baggins]], [[Samwise Gamgee]] and [[Peregrin Took]] on the road near the Woody End. They ate and sang, and Gildor discussed the peril that haunted the three [[hobbits]]. This peril, a [[Nazgûl\|Black Rider]], was near, but fled as he heard the Elves chant of Elbereth.<ref name="3IC"/>

	After separating from the hobbits, he sent word to the house of [[Tom Bombadil]], probably before the [[26 September\|26th]].<ref>{{FR\|I7}}</ref> He also spoke with [[Aragorn]]<ref>{{FR\|I10}}</ref> and sent a message to [[Elrond]].<ref>{{FR\|I12}}</ref>		After separating from the hobbits, he sent word to the house of [[Tom Bombadil]], probably before the [[26 September\|26th]].<ref>{{FR\|I7}}</ref> He also spoke with [[Aragorn]]<ref>{{FR\|I10}}</ref> and sent a message to [[Elrond]].<ref>{{FR\|I12}}</ref>

−	~~Nothing else is known to have befallen him, and two~~ years later, on [[22 September\|September 22]], {{TA\|3021}}, he met the Hobbits once again. He accompanied a riding of great Lords and Ladies, that planned to sail [[Aman\|West]] on board the [[White Ship]]. ~~Whether~~ Gildor ~~joined them is uncertain~~.<ref>{{RK\|VI9}}</ref>	+	Two years later, on [[22 September\|September 22]], {{TA\|3021}}, he met the Hobbits once again. He accompanied a riding of great Lords and Ladies, that planned to sail [[Aman\|West]] on board the [[White Ship]].<ref group=note>The narrative does not specify whether Gildor also boarded the ship to the West or if he was simply present as a companion.</ref><ref>{{RK\|VI9}}</ref>

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	It should be noted that Tolkien initially used names from his (unpublished) ''[[The Silmarillion]]'' writings rather at random in ''[[The Hobbit]]'' and the first drafts of the sequel which would become ''The Lord of the Rings'': other examples are the mention of [[Gondolin]] and the appearance of [[Elrond]] in ''The Hobbit'', which were only later brought into alignment with ''The Lord of the Rings'' and the unpublished mythology by a third edition of the book.<ref name="L257">[[J.R.R. Tolkien]], [[Humphrey Carpenter]], [[Christopher Tolkien]] (eds.), ''[[The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien]]'', [[Letter 257]] (dated [[16 July\|July 16]], [[1964]])</ref> This therefore is the case of the reference to the name "Finrod".		It should be noted that Tolkien initially used names from his (unpublished) ''[[The Silmarillion]]'' writings rather at random in ''[[The Hobbit]]'' and the first drafts of the sequel which would become ''The Lord of the Rings'': other examples are the mention of [[Gondolin]] and the appearance of [[Elrond]] in ''The Hobbit'', which were only later brought into alignment with ''The Lord of the Rings'' and the unpublished mythology by a third edition of the book.<ref name="L257">[[J.R.R. Tolkien]], [[Humphrey Carpenter]], [[Christopher Tolkien]] (eds.), ''[[The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien]]'', [[Letter 257]] (dated [[16 July\|July 16]], [[1964]])</ref> This therefore is the case of the reference to the name "Finrod".

−	The name "Gildor" first appeared in the outlines of ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' in February [[1938]],<ref>{{RS\|Hobbiton}} (p. 45)</ref> and in Tolkien's notes of that time, "Finrod" still meant the character later known as [[Finarfin]]<ref name="RC3IC">~~[[Wayne G. Hammond]], [[Christina Scull]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings: A Reader's Companion]]''~~, "[[Three is Company]]", pages 103-4</ref> and [[Finrod\|his son]] had the older name "[[Inglor]]".	+	The name "Gildor" first appeared in the outlines of ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' in February [[1938]],<ref>{{RS\|Hobbiton}} (p. 45)</ref> and in Tolkien's notes of that time, "Finrod" still meant the character later known as [[Finarfin]]<ref name="RC3IC">{{HM\|RC}}, "[[Three is Company]]", pages 103-4</ref> and [[Finrod\|his son]] had the older name "[[Inglor]]".
	===Son of Finrod?===		===Son of Finrod?===
	It could be argued that the name "Inglorion", which means "son of Inglor", suggests that he was in fact the son of Finrod Felagund himself, who at the time of writing still had the name Inglor. There are, however, strong arguments against it:		It could be argued that the name "Inglorion", which means "son of Inglor", suggests that he was in fact the son of Finrod Felagund himself, who at the time of writing still had the name Inglor. There are, however, strong arguments against it:
	* There were only two children — [[Idril]] and [[Orodreth]] — of "the third generation from [[Finwë]] to go with the exiles".{{fact}}. While on [[Middle-earth]], Finrod Felagund had no wife since he loved [[Amarië]] of the [[Vanyar]], who refused to go with him to the exile,<ref>[[J.R.R. Tolkien]], [[Christopher Tolkien]], ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', "[[Of the Noldor in Beleriand]]"</ref> and did not meet her again until after his reincarnation on [[Valinor]].		* There were only two children — [[Idril]] and [[Orodreth]] — of "the third generation from [[Finwë]] to go with the exiles".{{fact}}. While on [[Middle-earth]], Finrod Felagund had no wife since he loved [[Amarië]] of the [[Vanyar]], who refused to go with him to the exile,<ref>[[J.R.R. Tolkien]], [[Christopher Tolkien]], ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', "[[Of the Noldor in Beleriand]]"</ref> and did not meet her again until after his reincarnation on [[Valinor]].
−	* If Gildor were Finrod's son, he would have right to claim High Kingship of the Noldor instead of [[Gil-galad]] after [[Turgon~~\|Turgon's~~]] death.	+	* If Gildor were Finrod's son, he would have right to claim High Kingship of the Noldor instead of [[Gil-galad]] after [[Turgon]]'s death.
	* Since Gildor mentions he is of the Exiles<ref name="3IC"/> (meaning those who originally followed [[Fëanor]]), it is very unlikely that he was reincarnated Finrod's son born in Valinor and allowed to visit Middle-earth in a later time. Only one "return" to Middle-earth is explicitly mentioned - that of [[Glorfindel]].<ref>[[J.R.R. Tolkien]], [[Christopher Tolkien]] (ed.), ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', "[[Last Writings]]"</ref>		* Since Gildor mentions he is of the Exiles<ref name="3IC"/> (meaning those who originally followed [[Fëanor]]), it is very unlikely that he was reincarnated Finrod's son born in Valinor and allowed to visit Middle-earth in a later time. Only one "return" to Middle-earth is explicitly mentioned - that of [[Glorfindel]].<ref>[[J.R.R. Tolkien]], [[Christopher Tolkien]] (ed.), ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', "[[Last Writings]]"</ref>

	===Connection to Finarfin===		===Connection to Finarfin===
−	However the name [[Inglor]] reappeared, in [[Quenya]] form, for Finarfin (who in the earlier legendarium, was named Finrod). Finarfin's [[Amilessë\|mother-name]] was ''[[Ingalaurë]]''.<ref>~~[[J.R.R. Tolkien]], [[Christopher Tolkien]], ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', "[[The~~ Shibboleth ~~of Fëanor]]"~~, note 30</ref> If Ingalaurë is to be translated in [[Sindarin]] according to the [[Sindarization\|sound-changing rules]], this would become ''Inglor''. Thus, the connection of Gildor to the house of Finrod/Finarfin still remains in the updated legendarium.	+	However the name [[Inglor]] reappeared, in [[Quenya]] form, for Finarfin (who in the earlier legendarium, was named Finrod). Finarfin's [[Amilessë\|mother-name]] was ''[[Ingalaurë]]''.<ref>{{PM\|Shibboleth}}, note 30</ref> If Ingalaurë is to be translated in [[Sindarin]] according to the [[Sindarization\|sound-changing rules]], this would become ''Inglor''. Thus, the connection of Gildor to the house of Finrod/Finarfin still remains in the updated legendarium.

	This all suggests that, while Gildor might have been initially intended to be Felagund's son, in the final version he probably became a member of the House of Finrod as one of its servants, not one of its sons — perhaps one of the knights of [[Nargothrond]].		This all suggests that, while Gildor might have been initially intended to be Felagund's son, in the final version he probably became a member of the House of Finrod as one of its servants, not one of its sons — perhaps one of the knights of [[Nargothrond]].