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For my Eldar-And-Atani-Familytree I made some genealogy-researches in the last Númenórean generations and stumbled over some Problems:
For my Eldar-And-Atani-Familytree I made some genealogy-researches in the last Númenórean generations and stumbled over some Problems:
Known are these things:
Known are these things:
- The livingdates of the kings of Númenór
- The livingdates of the kings of Númenór
- The fact, that Elendil, Tar-Miriel and Ar-Pharazon are born at about the same time (3017/18/19)
- The fact, that Elendil, Tar-Miriel and Ar-Pharazon are born at about the same time (3017/18/19)
- In UT Numendil is called "Lord of Andunie in the days of Tar-Palantir"
- In UT Numendil is called "Lord of Andunie in the days of Tar-Palantir"
- In UT is said, that in some genealogies Lindórie, Earendurs sister, is Gimilzagars wife - though Chr. Tolkien calls that impossible.
- In UT is said, that in some genealogies Lindórie, Earendurs sister, is Gimilzagars wife - though Chr. Tolkien calls that impossible.



Revision as of 19:56, 2 March 2007

For my Eldar-And-Atani-Familytree I made some genealogy-researches in the last Númenórean generations and stumbled over some Problems: Known are these things:

- The livingdates of the kings of Númenór

- The fact, that Elendil, Tar-Miriel and Ar-Pharazon are born at about the same time (3017/18/19)

- In UT Numendil is called "Lord of Andunie in the days of Tar-Palantir"

- In UT is said, that in some genealogies Lindórie, Earendurs sister, is Gimilzagars wife - though Chr. Tolkien calls that impossible.

These facts do not fit together without problems. HERE I have drawn a genealogy with every date I could get: Name, dates of birth and death, age. Between the lines I put the length of the generation (countet from the birth of the father to the birth of the son). Then I filled the missing dates with average dates (all in red) and tried to get some sense out of it. But there are some problems:

- The average lifespan in the last three generations is about 220 - 230 years. Elendil is extraordinary old: 322. The problem is Amandil: He dissappeared in 3316, his son was born in 3119, due to the average generation-length he must have been born at about 3040. That makes him about 275 years old - about 50 years older than the kings of the last generations. Is there any hint that the Lords of Andúnie have had a longer life than the kings? Or do we have to ignore Elendils birthdate as incompatible?

- Numendil as Lord of Andúnie at Tar-Palantirs reign: With the longer life for the Lords no problem. But when the Lords have just the same lifespan as the kings, Numendil must have died (about 3170) before Palantir became king of Numenor (in 3175/7).

- Inzibêth: She is a generation older than her husband Gimilzor. But that is no real problem.

- Lindórie: This is the bigger problem, for she is two generations younger than her husband Gimilzagar. He must have been about 250 years at the birth of his daughter Inzilbêth. This is of course not impossible, but very extraordinary.

I hope for some wise brains here who will help to get a result without problems out of this. --Beren_fox 18:46, 2 March 2007 (EST)