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See also [[Talk:Amrod]] -- [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] 01:09, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
See also [[Talk:Amrod]] -- [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] 01:09, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:: According to commentary in HoME XII under the mother names on (p.353) and the note 62 (p. 366) Tolkien exchanged mother names of the twins and turned Ambarto into Umbarto to fit the legend: "It was then, no doubt, that my father changed the name Ambarto to Umbarto in the list and reversed the names of the twin brothers (see note 62), so that Ambarussa becomes the elder of the two and Ambarto/Umbarto the youngest of Fëanor's children, as he is in the legend told here." Thus the information of Amras being the fated twin burnt in Losgar seems correct. It would be good to include the source - the commentary - in the article, through, to avoid future confusions. [[User:Sirielle|Sirielle]]

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This article needs to be worked on, in particular the Silmarillion version of the character Amras. - nikolet 21:16, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

Ehm ... which version of name belongs with which version of the Legendarium?

As far as I can gather from The Shibboleth of Feanor, in the version where one of the twins died in the Shipburning at Losgar, the one who died (remaining the younger twin with the fathername Telufinwë) was Umbarto/Ambarto. In this version of the Legendarium Amras, subsequently changed to Amros, was the Sindarin form of Ambarussa, the mothername used by both twins, but by others only applied to the older twin, Pityafinwë.

So the article as it stands belongs rather under the title of Amrod (or even Amarthen) with certain corrections to names.

See also Talk:Amrod -- Mithrennaith 01:09, 24 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

According to commentary in HoME XII under the mother names on (p.353) and the note 62 (p. 366) Tolkien exchanged mother names of the twins and turned Ambarto into Umbarto to fit the legend: "It was then, no doubt, that my father changed the name Ambarto to Umbarto in the list and reversed the names of the twin brothers (see note 62), so that Ambarussa becomes the elder of the two and Ambarto/Umbarto the youngest of Fëanor's children, as he is in the legend told here." Thus the information of Amras being the fated twin burnt in Losgar seems correct. It would be good to include the source - the commentary - in the article, through, to avoid future confusions. Sirielle