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Mithrennaith: /* Titles box */ typo

2010-09-09T00:12:42Z

Titles box: typo

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	::::::It's a common misconception (often peddled by editors of this site), but they ''claimed'' to be Kings of Arnor, but were still Kings of Arthedain. In Appendix A it lists them as "Kings of Arthedain", and not Arnor. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 12:45, 8 September 2010 (UTC)		::::::It's a common misconception (often peddled by editors of this site), but they ''claimed'' to be Kings of Arnor, but were still Kings of Arthedain. In Appendix A it lists them as "Kings of Arthedain", and not Arnor. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 12:45, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
	:::::::But [[Arthedain]] and [[Cardolan]] accepted it, and [[Rhudaur]] was destroyed. --[[User:Amroth\|Amroth]]		:::::::But [[Arthedain]] and [[Cardolan]] accepted it, and [[Rhudaur]] was destroyed. --[[User:Amroth\|Amroth]]
−	::::::::And still, in all lists, as in [[Appendix A]] I ii and in [[The Heirs of Elendil]], they are listed as "Kings or Arthedain".	+	::::::::And still, in all lists, as in [[Appendix A]] I ii and in [[The Heirs of Elendil]], they are listed as "Kings of Arthedain".
	::::::::I think I will change these points. I’m just wondering where else ‘cadet branch’ may have been misused (think I saw another case pass by when I was on a ramble checking life-spans of Dúnadan Kings). — [[User:Mithrennaith\|Mithrennaith]] 19:51, 8 September 2010 (UTC)		::::::::I think I will change these points. I’m just wondering where else ‘cadet branch’ may have been misused (think I saw another case pass by when I was on a ramble checking life-spans of Dúnadan Kings). — [[User:Mithrennaith\|Mithrennaith]] 19:51, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Mithrennaith: /* Titles box */ still they weren’t

2010-09-08T19:51:42Z

Titles box: still they weren’t

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	::::::It's a common misconception (often peddled by editors of this site), but they ''claimed'' to be Kings of Arnor, but were still Kings of Arthedain. In Appendix A it lists them as "Kings of Arthedain", and not Arnor. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 12:45, 8 September 2010 (UTC)		::::::It's a common misconception (often peddled by editors of this site), but they ''claimed'' to be Kings of Arnor, but were still Kings of Arthedain. In Appendix A it lists them as "Kings of Arthedain", and not Arnor. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 12:45, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
	:::::::But [[Arthedain]] and [[Cardolan]] accepted it, and [[Rhudaur]] was destroyed. --[[User:Amroth\|Amroth]]		:::::::But [[Arthedain]] and [[Cardolan]] accepted it, and [[Rhudaur]] was destroyed. --[[User:Amroth\|Amroth]]
		+	::::::::And still, in all lists, as in [[Appendix A]] I ii and in [[The Heirs of Elendil]], they are listed as "Kings or Arthedain".
		+	::::::::I think I will change these points. I’m just wondering where else ‘cadet branch’ may have been misused (think I saw another case pass by when I was on a ramble checking life-spans of Dúnadan Kings). — [[User:Mithrennaith\|Mithrennaith]] 19:51, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Amroth at 13:53, 8 September 2010

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	::::::It's a common misconception (often peddled by editors of this site), but they ''claimed'' to be Kings of Arnor, but were still Kings of Arthedain. In Appendix A it lists them as "Kings of Arthedain", and not Arnor. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 12:45, 8 September 2010 (UTC)		::::::It's a common misconception (often peddled by editors of this site), but they ''claimed'' to be Kings of Arnor, but were still Kings of Arthedain. In Appendix A it lists them as "Kings of Arthedain", and not Arnor. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 12:45, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
		+	:::::::But [[Arthedain]] and [[Cardolan]] accepted it, and [[Rhudaur]] was destroyed. --[[User:Amroth\|Amroth]]

Mith: /* Titles box */ Arthedain, not Arnor

2010-09-08T12:45:49Z

Titles box: Arthedain, not Arnor

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	:::::If I remember good then the descendents of [[Argeleb I]] claimed to be the King of Arnor. --[[User:Amroth\|Amroth]]		:::::If I remember good then the descendents of [[Argeleb I]] claimed to be the King of Arnor. --[[User:Amroth\|Amroth]]
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		+	::::::It's a common misconception (often peddled by editors of this site), but they ''claimed'' to be Kings of Arnor, but were still Kings of Arthedain. In Appendix A it lists them as "Kings of Arthedain", and not Arnor. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 12:45, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Amroth at 12:10, 8 September 2010

2010-09-08T12:10:48Z

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	::::Feel free to change all of these! The information in the current box I just copied from the previous one without thought. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:52, 8 September 2010 (UTC)		::::Feel free to change all of these! The information in the current box I just copied from the previous one without thought. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:52, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
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		+	:::::If I remember good then the descendents of [[Argeleb I]] claimed to be the King of Arnor. --[[User:Amroth\|Amroth]]

Mith: /* Titles box */ Feel free to change

2010-09-08T10:52:24Z

Titles box: Feel free to change

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	::::4. The previous [[Kings of Arnor\|King of Arnor]] was not [[Arvedui]], 1046 (actually 1044) years earlier, but [[Eärendur (King of Arnor)\|Eärendur]], 2158 years earlier.<br>5. As the vacancy of the northern kingship since Arvedui, the vacancy of the kingship of Gondor since [[Eärnur]] has been miscalculated as if Aragorn commenced his rule in 3021 instead of 3019: it should be 969 years, instead of 971.		::::4. The previous [[Kings of Arnor\|King of Arnor]] was not [[Arvedui]], 1046 (actually 1044) years earlier, but [[Eärendur (King of Arnor)\|Eärendur]], 2158 years earlier.<br>5. As the vacancy of the northern kingship since Arvedui, the vacancy of the kingship of Gondor since [[Eärnur]] has been miscalculated as if Aragorn commenced his rule in 3021 instead of 3019: it should be 969 years, instead of 971.
	:::— [[User:Mithrennaith\|Mithrennaith]] 04:01, 8 September 2010 (UTC)		:::— [[User:Mithrennaith\|Mithrennaith]] 04:01, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
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		+	::::Feel free to change all of these! The information in the current box I just copied from the previous one without thought. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:52, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Mithrennaith: /* Titles box */ two further points

2010-09-08T04:01:48Z

Titles box: two further points

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	: I agree with you at point 2 and 3. But I don't really understand what you mean with point 1. --[[User:Amroth\|Amroth]] 14:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)		: I agree with you at point 2 and 3. But I don't really understand what you mean with point 1. --[[User:Amroth\|Amroth]] 14:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
	::The House of Telcontar cannot be a cadet branch of the House of Isildur, because there never was any branch of the House of Isildur senior to it. It never split off from the House of Isildur, it is the continuation of the most senior branch the House of Isildur ever had. — [[User:Mithrennaith\|Mithrennaith]] 17:50, 7 September 2010 (UTC)		::The House of Telcontar cannot be a cadet branch of the House of Isildur, because there never was any branch of the House of Isildur senior to it. It never split off from the House of Isildur, it is the continuation of the most senior branch the House of Isildur ever had. — [[User:Mithrennaith\|Mithrennaith]] 17:50, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
		+	:::I’ve got two further points:
		+	::::4. The previous [[Kings of Arnor\|King of Arnor]] was not [[Arvedui]], 1046 (actually 1044) years earlier, but [[Eärendur (King of Arnor)\|Eärendur]], 2158 years earlier.<br>5. As the vacancy of the northern kingship since Arvedui, the vacancy of the kingship of Gondor since [[Eärnur]] has been miscalculated as if Aragorn commenced his rule in 3021 instead of 3019: it should be 969 years, instead of 971.
		+	:::— [[User:Mithrennaith\|Mithrennaith]] 04:01, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Mithrennaith: trying to explain further

2010-09-07T17:50:57Z

trying to explain further

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	I think all these are errors that should be corrected. — [[User:Mithrennaith\|Mithrennaith]] 01:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)		I think all these are errors that should be corrected. — [[User:Mithrennaith\|Mithrennaith]] 01:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
	: I agree with you at point 2 and 3. But I don't really understand what you mean with point 1. --[[User:Amroth\|Amroth]] 14:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)		: I agree with you at point 2 and 3. But I don't really understand what you mean with point 1. --[[User:Amroth\|Amroth]] 14:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
		+	::The House of Telcontar cannot be a cadet branch of the House of Isildur, because there never was any branch of the House of Isildur senior to it. It never split off from the House of Isildur, it is the continuation of the most senior branch the House of Isildur ever had. — [[User:Mithrennaith\|Mithrennaith]] 17:50, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Amroth: /* Titles box */

2010-09-07T14:35:20Z

Titles box

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	# ‘House of Telcontar’ is used as a title, which it isn’t, the title should be ‘Head of the House of Telcontar’.		# ‘House of Telcontar’ is used as a title, which it isn’t, the title should be ‘Head of the House of Telcontar’.
	I think all these are errors that should be corrected. — [[User:Mithrennaith\|Mithrennaith]] 01:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)		I think all these are errors that should be corrected. — [[User:Mithrennaith\|Mithrennaith]] 01:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
		+	: I agree with you at point 2 and 3. But I don't really understand what you mean with point 1. --[[User:Amroth\|Amroth]] 14:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Mithrennaith: /* Titles box */ new section

2010-09-07T01:35:48Z

Titles box: new section

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	::I agree with Hyarion on no automatic redirects. Major characters are in '''bold''', so the uneducated user should be able to find what they are looking for without any problems. --[[User:Ebakunin\|Ebakunin]] 23:14, 5 June 2006 (EDT)		::I agree with Hyarion on no automatic redirects. Major characters are in '''bold''', so the uneducated user should be able to find what they are looking for without any problems. --[[User:Ebakunin\|Ebakunin]] 23:14, 5 June 2006 (EDT)
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		+	== Titles box ==
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		+	I have several issues with the information in the box in the titles section.
		+	# The [[House of Telcontar]] is not a cadet branch of the [[House of Isildur]], for cadet means junior in the sense that there is a senior branch in existence simultaneously, at least in the beginning. The House of Isildur is, however, in the quite unusual position that the senior branch has always continued, no junior branch ever taking over as new senior branch, and the House of Telcontar is merely the continuation of that one senior branch.
		+	# The box suggests that the [[Fellowship of the Ring]] ended on 16 February, T.A. 3019, or at the very least that it became leaderless at that point. Yet the article on the Fellowship itself correctly states that it was only broken, not disbanded on '''2'''6 February, T.A. 3019, being disbanded by King Elessar in the chapter ''Many Partings'' at Isengard (that being on 22 August, T.A. 3019). This clearly implies Aragorn was up to that time still, or again, its leader.
		+	# ‘House of Telcontar’ is used as a title, which it isn’t, the title should be ‘Head of the House of Telcontar’.
		+	I think all these are errors that should be corrected. — [[User:Mithrennaith\|Mithrennaith]] 01:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

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	: I agree with you at point 2 and 3. But I don't really understand what you mean with point 1. --[[User:Amroth\|Amroth]] 14:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)		: I agree with you at point 2 and 3. But I don't really understand what you mean with point 1. --[[User:Amroth\|Amroth]] 14:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
	::The House of Telcontar cannot be a cadet branch of the House of Isildur, because there never was any branch of the House of Isildur senior to it. It never split off from the House of Isildur, it is the continuation of the most senior branch the House of Isildur ever had. — [[User:Mithrennaith\|Mithrennaith]] 17:50, 7 September 2010 (UTC)		::The House of Telcontar cannot be a cadet branch of the House of Isildur, because there never was any branch of the House of Isildur senior to it. It never split off from the House of Isildur, it is the continuation of the most senior branch the House of Isildur ever had. — [[User:Mithrennaith\|Mithrennaith]] 17:50, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
		+	:::I’ve got two further points:
		+	::::4. The previous [[Kings of Arnor\|King of Arnor]] was not [[Arvedui]], 1046 (actually 1044) years earlier, but [[Eärendur (King of Arnor)\|Eärendur]], 2158 years earlier.<br>5. As the vacancy of the northern kingship since Arvedui, the vacancy of the kingship of Gondor since [[Eärnur]] has been miscalculated as if Aragorn commenced his rule in 3021 instead of 3019: it should be 969 years, instead of 971.
		+	:::— [[User:Mithrennaith\|Mithrennaith]] 04:01, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

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	I think all these are errors that should be corrected. — [[User:Mithrennaith\|Mithrennaith]] 01:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)		I think all these are errors that should be corrected. — [[User:Mithrennaith\|Mithrennaith]] 01:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
	: I agree with you at point 2 and 3. But I don't really understand what you mean with point 1. --[[User:Amroth\|Amroth]] 14:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)		: I agree with you at point 2 and 3. But I don't really understand what you mean with point 1. --[[User:Amroth\|Amroth]] 14:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
		+	::The House of Telcontar cannot be a cadet branch of the House of Isildur, because there never was any branch of the House of Isildur senior to it. It never split off from the House of Isildur, it is the continuation of the most senior branch the House of Isildur ever had. — [[User:Mithrennaith\|Mithrennaith]] 17:50, 7 September 2010 (UTC)