Talk:Goblins

Keeping?

"Actually in the Hobbit language the word for Orc was actually "Orc" and so was Rohans,"

? Westron was for Goblin and Orc was Orka (PE17)

the word "Goblin" is used to describe an Feral Orc who is not of Mordor nor is he in service of Sauron but rather they obey their own tribal war chiefs and some Goblins even have Kingdoms and are ruled by Kings(Such as goblin town in the Hobbit),

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due to the fact that "Goblin-men" exist suggests that Goblins can breed and give birth, unlike Orcs of Sauron who are spawned in mud.

Again, source? The whole matter of Orc reproduction is too fuzzy to blatantly state "they spawned from mud"

Goblins are descended from the Orcs of Morgoth who fled to the mountains after his defeat(namely Gundabad and the misty mountains),

Probably some truth in that.

when Sauron took the throne of the dark lord

He didn't really take over business, he started over some place else.

he saw that Orcs still had a use but he ether modified his own to be different for one reason or the other

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or simply did not have as much power as Morgoth and was forced to create a new type(This is a more likely answer seeing as how Sauron could not exert dominion over the remnants of Morgoths Orcs),

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notice that even in the books

You mean you haven't been using the Books so far?

that the word Goblin is sometimes substituted by the word Orc, in the lord of the rings trilogy the word Orc is never substituted by the word goblin.

It was only used in The Hobbit.

In the movies(and all sources that are based off it such as the battle for middle earth) goblin's appear to have larger eyes and smaller bodies than Orcs but are also noted as being physically stronger due to the amount of strength required to climb the walls of Moria as they are seen doing in the lord of the rings movie.

Cleanup, much? already mentioned in the Adaptations section.

All in all it is possible that Tolkien did not intend the difference between Orcs and Goblins to be as vast as it was in the movies but the differences are clearly their and seeing as how he wrote both the LOTR trilogy and the Hobbit he did intend for their to be some small difference, mainly Orcs of Mordor being Enslaved to Saurons will and goblins being independent)

Rip open another can of debate: the questionable canon of The Hobbit. Surely there's something in Letters on Goblins.

Summary: I deleted it from the article. If anyone favours keeping, get it back from the history and please clean it up, and source it. -- Ederchil ^{(Talk/Contribs/Edits)} 08:00, 24 April 2009 (UTC)