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:::I entirely agree. I might have to do some more research, but the impression I've always been left with is that there are half-orcs (just as there are half-elves). --{{User:Mith/sig}} 23:44, 16 November 2010 (UTC) | :::I entirely agree. I might have to do some more research, but the impression I've always been left with is that there are half-orcs (just as there are half-elves). --{{User:Mith/sig}} 23:44, 16 November 2010 (UTC) | ||
::::I somehow feel that quoting David Day as a source is worse than quoting no source at all. David Day is the laughing stock of serious [[Tolkien studies]], he at least cannot be trusted to represent the primary sources accurately. My position is that everyting he says that cannot be backed up by quoting primary sources or reliable secondary sources is to be treated as [[fanon]]. — [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] 16:02, 16 May 2011 (UTC) | |||
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Can anyone back up the statements of this article? Where does Tolkien speak of those who he said looked like half-orcs were actually part orc? --Narfil Palùrfalas 16:52, 30 May 2006 (EDT)
Is there any evidence that the men actually mixed with orcs? I know that some of Saruman's men were said to "look like half-orcs", but is this because of their looks, or because they actually were half orc, half man. It is mentioned that it was possible, but I don't recall any other evidence for it. --Narfil Palùrfalas 19:05, 27 May 2006 (EDT)
Half-orcs were similar to Goblin-men and while "half-orcs" are mentioned in The Lord of the Rings I will look for some further evidence. EoA also has an article on them and Mark Fisher is pretty strict canon-wise on what he adds. --Hyarion 22:35, 30 May 2006 (EDT)
- A quote from The Two Towers:
- "Most of them were ordinary men, rather tall and dark-haired, and grim but not particularly evil-looking. But there were some others that were horrible: man-high, but with goblin-faces, sallow, leering, squint-eyed. Do you know, they reminded me at once of that Southerner at Bree: only he was not so obviously orc-like as most of these were.
- 'I thought of him too,' said Aragorn. 'We had many of these half-orcs to deal with at Helm's Deep."
- This passage would speak in favour of treating the half-orcs as more than merely "possible" race, as Aragorn's words are to be taken seriously. --Morgan 23:37, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
- I somehow feel that quoting David Day as a source is worse than quoting no source at all. David Day is the laughing stock of serious Tolkien studies, he at least cannot be trusted to represent the primary sources accurately. My position is that everyting he says that cannot be backed up by quoting primary sources or reliable secondary sources is to be treated as fanon. — Mithrennaith 16:02, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
