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Latest comment: 15 May 2015 by 37.2.30.174 in topic Five-sixteenth Vanyarin?
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It says that Idril and Orodreth are the only two of the third-generation Noldor to go into exile, but what about Celebrimbor? I believe he was also born in Valinor, and would therefore also be a third-generation Noldo to leave Valinor and go to Beleriand.
It says that Idril and Orodreth are the only two of the third-generation Noldor to go into exile, but what about Celebrimbor? I believe he was also born in Valinor, and would therefore also be a third-generation Noldo to leave Valinor and go to Beleriand.
: In my opinion "she was one of the two Noldor <u>in the third generation</u> to come into exile" is problematic. Are we to suppose that Finwë belonged to the first generation of the Noldor? But the founder of the people was (according to the legend) [[Tata]]. We do not know, how many generations were between Tata and Finwë. --Tik 07:46, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
:Tolkien changed the background of Celebrimbor many times, and his story was left quite unfinished. If we are to suppose that he really was the son of Curufin and not a Telerin or a Sindarin elf (see PM p. 318, 319), he was born in Aman and followed his father to the exile (a late note of Tolkien written in his own exemplar of RK, see PM p. 317). In any case, Celebrimbor did not exist before the writing of LotR. --Tik 07:54, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
: P.S. Tolkien changed the background of Celebrimbor many times, and his story was left quite unfinished. If we are to suppose that he really was the son of Curufin and not a Telerin or a Sindarin elf (see PM p. 318, 319), he was born in Aman and followed his father to the exile (a late note of Tolkien written in his own exemplar of RK, see PM p. 317). In any case, Celebrimbor did not exist before the writing of LotR. --Tik 07:54, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

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Fathername[edit source]

At least, i guess that's what the fn in the infobox means. Is it really necessary to mention? It might just confuse people. Oh, and the link of the next word, Itarillë, redirects back to this article. I'll remove that .-- Ederchil 17:07, 27 January 2008 (EST)

Five-sixteenth Vanyarin?[edit source]

Her mother was full Vanyarin, so she is by that at least 50 % Vanyarin. As I have understood it, her mother (Elenwë) and great-grandmother (Indis) were both full Vanyarin, that would make her five-eighth Vanyarin (Fingolfin being half, Turgon being one quarter). Someone obviuosly mixed up their math. 37.2.30.174 17:48, 15 May 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Celebrimbor[edit source]

It says that Idril and Orodreth are the only two of the third-generation Noldor to go into exile, but what about Celebrimbor? I believe he was also born in Valinor, and would therefore also be a third-generation Noldo to leave Valinor and go to Beleriand.

Tolkien changed the background of Celebrimbor many times, and his story was left quite unfinished. If we are to suppose that he really was the son of Curufin and not a Telerin or a Sindarin elf (see PM p. 318, 319), he was born in Aman and followed his father to the exile (a late note of Tolkien written in his own exemplar of RK, see PM p. 317). In any case, Celebrimbor did not exist before the writing of LotR. --Tik 07:54, 17 January 2017 (UTC)