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In the description it is said that the hills were a remnant of the Iron Mountains. As far as I know, this is not stated anywhere by Tolkien, and the geography of Middle-Earth would tend to preclude this to be the case -it would be much more likely for the Ered Mithrin. –– [[User:Elendil|Elendil]] November 28, 2009
 
In the description it is said that the hills were a remnant of the Iron Mountains. As far as I know, this is not stated anywhere by Tolkien, and the geography of Middle-Earth would tend to preclude this to be the case -it would be much more likely for the Ered Mithrin. –– [[User:Elendil|Elendil]] November 28, 2009
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== Speculation issues ==
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I don't see the logical or textual issue of my additions being removed from this page.
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It is a fact that the Iron Hills were the primary source of all iron ore for the Longbeard house of the Dwarves. They mined there for as possibly as far back as the Years of the Trees all the way to the last time it is mentioned and that is the Hobbit.
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At this time it was also the military super power of Wilderland. Being the only realm capable of taking on Sauron's forces -even above the Elves of Mirkwood and Lorien.
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At this time it was also where a very large portion if not a majority of Longbeards lived other than wandering or in the Blue Mountains with Thorin, etc.
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We know that the Durin's folk (Longbeards) began to mass migrate back to Erebor with it retaken and Dáin as king. Those especially in the Blue Mountains being a prime example like the families of Thorin's company of Dwarves.
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We also know that since prior to reclaiming Erebor that Durin's folk began to have a slowly increasing baby boom of sorts more so than they had before (when the Iron Hills seems to have been the only permanent dwelling left of theirs) with Thráin/Thorin's settling in the Blue Mountains. Further by 2990 the Dwarves believed their numbers to be at a point where they believed their numbers great enough they could try retaking Moria.
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It is also a fact that it nowhere in Tolkien's writings that the Dwarves just up and abandoned or even partially so the Iron Hills, their equalivent as a nation to the US's primary coal supplies being from Kentucky, West Virginia, and Pennsylvania. Sure the epicenter of power was moved to Erebor, but that is to be expected. Even when Erebor was still ruled by Thrór, his brother Grór's following that left the Grey Mts. was large and their amount of commerce/trade back and forth was massive.
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Those are the facts. To my last point: on a logical level (and we know that Tolkien was extremely logical and practical in his creation of a mythical world not all that different from our own) why in all of Middle-earth and Valinor would the Dwarves all of a sudden not continue to use the Iron Hills as they were? It makes no economic, logical, or practical sense.
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This has been a long post, but it is necessary to prove my point. Yes I can't point to a single sentence that backs what I put on their but for crying out loud with the facts and common sense in place why in the world try to argue against it? Speculation should be tolerated if it is backed with textual evidence and logic/common sense. --[[User:Dwarf Lord|Dwarf Lord]] 03:12, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

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In the Infobox is given the Sindarin name of the Iron Hills: Emyn Engrin. But does Tolkien use this name anywhere? Not in LoTR, afaik, neither does it appear in the Index of the HoME. If it is not extant in Tolkien's texts, it shouldn't be mentioned at all, I suppose. --Tik 19:49, 11 November 2007 (EST)

I can't recall anywhere in which Tolkien specifically uses the term, however if we know what "iron" is in Sindarin, and we know what "hills" is in Sindarin, then we can say with some confidence what "Iron Hills" translates to. It should be made clear that this is nothing more than an educated guess however. --Hyarion 12:51, 12 November 2007 (EST)
Well, then should a short article, defining it, be made, or should the hyperlink be removed, or made a redirect?--Quidon88 01:51, 13 December 2007 (EST)

In the description it is said that the hills were a remnant of the Iron Mountains. As far as I know, this is not stated anywhere by Tolkien, and the geography of Middle-Earth would tend to preclude this to be the case -it would be much more likely for the Ered Mithrin. –– Elendil November 28, 2009

Speculation issues

I don't see the logical or textual issue of my additions being removed from this page. It is a fact that the Iron Hills were the primary source of all iron ore for the Longbeard house of the Dwarves. They mined there for as possibly as far back as the Years of the Trees all the way to the last time it is mentioned and that is the Hobbit. At this time it was also the military super power of Wilderland. Being the only realm capable of taking on Sauron's forces -even above the Elves of Mirkwood and Lorien. At this time it was also where a very large portion if not a majority of Longbeards lived other than wandering or in the Blue Mountains with Thorin, etc. We know that the Durin's folk (Longbeards) began to mass migrate back to Erebor with it retaken and Dáin as king. Those especially in the Blue Mountains being a prime example like the families of Thorin's company of Dwarves. We also know that since prior to reclaiming Erebor that Durin's folk began to have a slowly increasing baby boom of sorts more so than they had before (when the Iron Hills seems to have been the only permanent dwelling left of theirs) with Thráin/Thorin's settling in the Blue Mountains. Further by 2990 the Dwarves believed their numbers to be at a point where they believed their numbers great enough they could try retaking Moria. It is also a fact that it nowhere in Tolkien's writings that the Dwarves just up and abandoned or even partially so the Iron Hills, their equalivent as a nation to the US's primary coal supplies being from Kentucky, West Virginia, and Pennsylvania. Sure the epicenter of power was moved to Erebor, but that is to be expected. Even when Erebor was still ruled by Thrór, his brother Grór's following that left the Grey Mts. was large and their amount of commerce/trade back and forth was massive.

Those are the facts. To my last point: on a logical level (and we know that Tolkien was extremely logical and practical in his creation of a mythical world not all that different from our own) why in all of Middle-earth and Valinor would the Dwarves all of a sudden not continue to use the Iron Hills as they were? It makes no economic, logical, or practical sense. This has been a long post, but it is necessary to prove my point. Yes I can't point to a single sentence that backs what I put on their but for crying out loud with the facts and common sense in place why in the world try to argue against it? Speculation should be tolerated if it is backed with textual evidence and logic/common sense. --Dwarf Lord 03:12, 10 January 2013 (UTC)