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See also: http://www.tuckborough.net/otherbeings.html  {{Unsigned|96.33.68.108}}
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I think that Ungoliant should be added to the list of known Maiar, and be added to the Ainur template. Though it is not ''explicitly'' stated, there are many hints that Ungoliant was indeed a Maia, even in the published version of ''The Silmarillion''.
For example, she is a servant of Melkor that attempted to abandon her master's service prior to the Darkening of Valinor. Also, it is implied that she is one of the Ainur, but since the Ainur are divided into two group, and all the members of one of the two groups (the Valar, to be specific) are all accounted for, this would make her one of the Maiar.
Plus, it ''is'' stated that the Maiar have a wide range of power, some even coming close to rivaling their own Vala masters, such as Ossë to Ulmo, or Sauron/Mairon to Aulë. And Ungoliant's ability to produce Unlight seems very much like the Balrogs' power over fire and shadow, since they are conjured from their very forms.
So should she be added here, and/or to the template? [[User:Bauglir100|Bauglir100]] 12:17, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

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According to Tolkien, Radagast the Brown was, in fact, a friend of Gandalf as evidenced by his conversation with him concerning the Ring on the Greenway near Bree. Animals shared a special relationship with him as well.

See also: http://www.tuckborough.net/otherbeings.html Unsigned comment by 96.33.68.108 (talk • contribs).


I think that Ungoliant should be added to the list of known Maiar, and be added to the Ainur template. Though it is not explicitly stated, there are many hints that Ungoliant was indeed a Maia, even in the published version of The Silmarillion.

For example, she is a servant of Melkor that attempted to abandon her master's service prior to the Darkening of Valinor. Also, it is implied that she is one of the Ainur, but since the Ainur are divided into two group, and all the members of one of the two groups (the Valar, to be specific) are all accounted for, this would make her one of the Maiar.

Plus, it is stated that the Maiar have a wide range of power, some even coming close to rivaling their own Vala masters, such as Ossë to Ulmo, or Sauron/Mairon to Aulë. And Ungoliant's ability to produce Unlight seems very much like the Balrogs' power over fire and shadow, since they are conjured from their very forms.

So should she be added here, and/or to the template? Bauglir100 12:17, 18 October 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]