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I think much of this article could be merged with Khazad-dûm, and only the following essentials be left/mentioned here:

  • Start with "the main article is at Kh-D"
  • Intro
  • Use of the term (after Durin's Bane)
    • By Dwarves (did Khuzdul have a term for it? Balin's tomb calls it Kh-D, but Moria in Westron).
    • In "Westron" (same as above:to what degree did Westron speakers refer to it, rather than translations?
    • Appearance on the Doors of Durin: I've seen the following theories (doors pre-date name!)
      • Error by JRRT?
      • Emendation by Gandalf as he red up the text?
      • Emendation by Frodo, who did not know Khuzdul?
      • Emendation by some later Gondorian scribe (Findegil?) because the term Kh-D wasn't used in Gondor?
      • Very unlikely: someone changed the writing on the doors
  • mention the different translations:
    • Black Gulf (Return o/t shadow?)
    • Black Pit (?)
    • Black Chasm (Etym?)
  • Inspiration of the name: somewhere in the Letters, JRRT mentions Soria Moria Castle. Perhaps with a "History of the name", first mentioned in The Hobbit
  • a see also: Moria (computer game)

I'd love to do this myself, but I lack time at the moment. Maybe any of the Dwarf lovers here would like to do it? -- Ederchil 14:01, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

I've noticed here and in other articles on Tolkien Gateway that Durin IV is given as the King of Khazad-Dum during the War of the Last Alliance. Is there citation in-canon for that? I've only ever seen approximate dates given for the reigns of Durin III and VI (of the Longbeard rulers who took the name Durin). Corsair Caruso 17:29, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
No. I think it's fanon. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 11:04, 29 September 2013 (UTC)