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Talk:Númenor

There are several links to the Fall of Númenor. Should that and this article be seperate, or should Fall of Númenor redirect to here? --Narfil Palùrfalas 16:53, 17 May 2006 (EDT)

You and your redirects :p I definitely think Númenor and the Fall of Númenor are entirely different and should be left separate. If we need to remove the bulk of information on the actual destruction from Númenor to the Fall of Númenor article then that would be fine by me. --Hyarion 18:06, 17 May 2006 (EDT)
I was just wondering. We have I think three Fall of Númenor links, and I didn't know whether you wanted them together or seperate. I agree that a seperate article would be best. Thanks! --Narfil Palùrfalas 05:32, 18 May 2006 (EDT)

S.A. 3265

Does anyone know and has reference of this year as the beginning of the Melkor worshiping? It is written so in the infobox. All that I could find so far was S.A. 3262, which is the beginning of Sauron's influence over Númenor. But nothing on the actual year when their religion changed. ~~ Þelma 14:43, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

It says c., "circa". Which is not very precise, and not very encyclopedic. Maybe "Shortly after 3262" or something? -- Ederchil 15:07, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
That works for me. In this case "Shortly after 3262" is more accurate than "circa S.A. 3265" ~~ Þelma 15:20, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

California bashing?

Now I admit that putting in an O-O-U reference that that was unusual, but the usefulness of the information seemed to justify it. There's no real feel for how large many of these regions in Middle Earth are, and that seemed to be a helpful description. I checked it out, and Cali was about the right size.Unsigned comment by Theoden1 (talk • contribs).

Whilst such comparisons of real and fictional locations are interesting and give the reader a rough idea of size, it's not really in the nature of good encyclopedias; it reminds me of the press ack US journalists received about Britain (around the time of the London G20 summit) - we didn't like being described as "slightly smaller than Oregon" (not that we were 'bashing' Oregon).-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  20:09, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Ar-Gimilzôr and the Faithful

Assuming his birthdate (2960) elsewhere is correct, I assume Gimilzôr could not have forced the Faithful to relocate to Rómenna 10 years before his birth. Does anyone have a correct date for that event? Corsair Caruso 05:33, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

I suppose there is no exact date given, but as Ar-Gimilzôr ruled from 3102 to 3177, I changed the date "in about 2950" to "in the 32nd century". --Tik 06:22, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Note on period naming

Days of Help, Dominion and War I 'borrowed' from The Atlas of Middle-earth, Voyages of the Númenóreans - as names to separate the different periods of Númenórean history in Middle-earth. There is a reference in the text but I don't have the edition so I cannot confirm if it was an actually term from Tolkien or invented by Karen. I may write a note about its origin in the article if it raises some issues. Gaetano 23:57, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm quite sure that those "Days of..." titles are made up by Karen (at least none of them appears in The Silmarillion or the UT). It would be fine to have them though, but I think we don't need so much subdivissions. Also, "Days of War" makes no sense, as there was more war in the past that in the time of Ar-Pharazon. Maybe I'm wrong and the term is applied somewhere, but the two factions of Númenor never reached the level of "Civil War". --LorenzoCB 17:16, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
"Days of War" is a peculiar word choice, Fonstad dates this period from 3200-3319 so it seems this period was named for the events of;
  • the 'Civil War', which is mentioned in the Tale of Years and from what I've gathered it doesn't seem to be like a bloody war as you think.
  • the building of the Great Armament
  • the Númenóreans under Sauron which is said they become more 'warlike', "For with the aid and counsel of Sauron they multiplied their possessions, and they devised engines, and they built ever greater ships. And they sailed now with power and armoury to Middle-earth, and they came no longer as bringers of gifts, nor even as rulers, but as fierce men of war." - S|Akallabth Gaetano 23:11, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
I imagined those were the reasons to called it "Days of War", but I think it collides with the days of the war against Sauron. Don't worry though, Karen's titles are still pertinent. --LorenzoCB 09:48, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Main image

I just changed the main image, but it is just a proposal, please undo if others disagree. The map is already used in the Elenna article and I thought Howe's depiction fits better this more conceptual article. What do you think? --LorenzoCB 14:07, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

I like it, it's fine with me.--Erónèhire 18:33, 9 March 2021 (UTC)