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:::I saw that one as well, I'm hoping there is another passage which is more specific as I wouldn't want to base the two-piece theory simply on that passage. If that is all we can find then we should probably change the passage to read "most likely two" or something similar. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 16:24, 12 March 2006 (EST)
:::I saw that one as well, I'm hoping there is another passage which is more specific as I wouldn't want to base the two-piece theory simply on that passage. If that is all we can find then we should probably change the passage to read "most likely two" or something similar. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 16:24, 12 March 2006 (EST)
== History of Narsil ==
The anon editor has a point asking for those sources.  That is some assumptive content.  Fëanorians / Noldor Houses were not the only one who had equipment from Telchar.  Thingol had loads in his armoury, too.  "Now Thingol had in Menegroth deep armouries filled with great wealth of weapons: metal wrought like fishes' mail and shining like water in the moon; swords and axes, shields and helms, wrought by Telchar himself or by his master Gamil Zirak the old" (Unfinished Tales - Narn - Departure of Túrin)  Do we know who gave Narsil to Elendil and who gave it to them?  It's assumed that it's a Noldor connection because they seemed to have the most influence in Númenor and the name Narsil is Quenya, but do we know for certain that Narsil was not gifted to Elendil in Middle-earth?  Númenóreans used Sindarin as a polite language and Quenya as a high, formal language.  So it could have been named by them, not a Noldo. I don't know for certain either way, and I looked around in ''Unfinished Tales, Peoples, Silmarillion'', and ''Letters'' before commenting.

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I read here a reference to Narsil being broken in two pieces and that this was altered by PJ for the movies. Is there any reference in the writings of JRRT to this? I don't recall such a thing, but that can be an omission on my part, of course. --Earendilyon 09:40, 9 March 2006 (EST)

A quick search through The Lord of the Rings, Unfinished Tales, The Silmarillion did not bring any results but I did find The Thains Book states it was broken in two, and states sources though I know not which is in regards to Narsil. I say we keep it for now but it wouldn't hurt looking into more. --Hyarion 11:58, 9 March 2006 (EST)
I've scanned Unfinished Tales and The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien for information, but I only found references to 'the shards of Narsil', no mentioning of the number of shards. Maybe you could send an e-mail to The Thain's Book to ask where they got that infor from? [I surely hope not from PJ's abomination!] --Earendilyon 16:31, 11 March 2006 (EST)
Heh, well I know it's not from The Lord of the Rings (film series) as in the film it was broken into like 5 pieces or so. Which leads me to believe more-so that the correct answer is only 2 ;). For some reasong I think I remember reading in the [Minas Tirith forums that it was 2 as well, I'll do a quick search today. --Hyarion 16:37, 11 March 2006 (EST)
Maybe the 'two pieces of Narsil' theory was based on this passage in The Lord of the Rings, Ch. 10, Strider:
[Aragorn] drew out his sword, and they saw that the blade was indeed broken a foot below the hilt.
Though it doesn't state in so much words that there were just two pieces, one can perhaps read that into this passage; though the rest of the sword could be broken in several shards, of course. --Earendilyon 16:17, 12 March 2006 (EST)
I saw that one as well, I'm hoping there is another passage which is more specific as I wouldn't want to base the two-piece theory simply on that passage. If that is all we can find then we should probably change the passage to read "most likely two" or something similar. --Hyarion 16:24, 12 March 2006 (EST)
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