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:Agreed, I've changed it to "but there is no record of him contributing to the downfall of Sauron." --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 17:35, 18 June 2008 (EDT)
 
:Agreed, I've changed it to "but there is no record of him contributing to the downfall of Sauron." --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 17:35, 18 June 2008 (EDT)
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==Skin-changer?==
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While researching for our article on [[Beorn]], I came across Gandalf's saying that Radagast is "''a master of shapes and changes of hue''" (<small>{{FR|II2}}</small>). Christopher Tolkien notes that "''Can this have been suggested by by Beorn's acquaintance with Radagast?''" Although Gandalf isn't very clear, perhaps "master of shapes" and "changes of hue" (''hue'' from Old English ''hīew, hiw'' "form, appearance, color") could suggest that Radagast was able to transform himself into another appearance (likely that of an animal)? Would this be too much speculation, or is it worthy a note on our article on Radagast? (I remember that [[Middle-earth Collectible Card Game|MECCG]] made quite much out of this, with the card "Master of Shape", making Radagast into a Shapeshifter (shifting to a white tiger, according to the card art.)(<small>{{HM|TI}}, p. 138, note 27</small>) --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 23:49, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
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:To my opinion, it's a bit to much speculation. --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]]
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::It is speculation, but I think it's worthy of a note; maybe just under MECCG. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:16, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
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:::{{blockquote|"I am a wizard," continued Gandalf. "I have heard of you, if you have not heard of me; but perhaps you have heard of my good cousin Radagast who lives near the Southern borders of Mirkwood?"<br/>"Yes; not a bad fellow as wizards go, I believe. I used to see him now and again," said Beorn. "Well, now I know who you are, or who you say you are. What do you want?"|{{H|Queer}}}}
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:::Although his connection with Beorn is clear, and the quote above appears to imply it, I think it would be a step too far (after all, I would consider Sauron a "master of shapes", but not a skin-changer). As Ederchil says though, its worthy of mention so long as the reader is not left with a false impression of the facts. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 16:50, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
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== Diffusion of information ==
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I really feel that, given the "Did Radagast fail?" section discusses Tolkien's changing conception - and development - of this character, it is inappropriate to demote the "Did Radagast fail?" section to a sub-page no one will ever read. This is not a long article and the discussion is worthy of the attention of those who come across this page. I do think, however, that we could come up with a better title than "Did Radagast fail?".--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 10:46, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
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:It is a text which is OK as an essay by itself, but some of it could as well be compressed and diffused in an article's main text, without quotations, chatter and conclusions. There is a lot to say about many topics, but a tidier and more compact presentation is better than writing brainstormings now and then. In that view, this text seems like an oddity and I decided to tide this up a bit. If you also see this somehow like this, we could decide a middle ground. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 15:50, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

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I don't think it's fair to say that Radagast "did not contribute to Sauron's downfall"; I like to think that he at least had some small part in Sauron's defeat - this is considering (as the article says) that Radagast was mysterious and little is known about him. However I still doubt Radagast succeeded in his purpose in Middle-earth as far as Gandalf did.-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  17:15, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

Agreed, I've changed it to "but there is no record of him contributing to the downfall of Sauron." --Hyarion 17:35, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Skin-changer?

While researching for our article on Beorn, I came across Gandalf's saying that Radagast is "a master of shapes and changes of hue" (J.R.R. Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings, The Fellowship of the Ring, "The Council of Elrond"). Christopher Tolkien notes that "Can this have been suggested by by Beorn's acquaintance with Radagast?" Although Gandalf isn't very clear, perhaps "master of shapes" and "changes of hue" (hue from Old English hīew, hiw "form, appearance, color") could suggest that Radagast was able to transform himself into another appearance (likely that of an animal)? Would this be too much speculation, or is it worthy a note on our article on Radagast? (I remember that MECCG made quite much out of this, with the card "Master of Shape", making Radagast into a Shapeshifter (shifting to a white tiger, according to the card art.)(J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The Treason of Isengard, p. 138, note 27) --Morgan 23:49, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

To my opinion, it's a bit to much speculation. --Amroth
It is speculation, but I think it's worthy of a note; maybe just under MECCG. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 16:16, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
"I am a wizard," continued Gandalf. "I have heard of you, if you have not heard of me; but perhaps you have heard of my good cousin Radagast who lives near the Southern borders of Mirkwood?"
"Yes; not a bad fellow as wizards go, I believe. I used to see him now and again," said Beorn. "Well, now I know who you are, or who you say you are. What do you want?"

J.R.R. Tolkien, The Hobbit, "Queer Lodgings"
Although his connection with Beorn is clear, and the quote above appears to imply it, I think it would be a step too far (after all, I would consider Sauron a "master of shapes", but not a skin-changer). As Ederchil says though, its worthy of mention so long as the reader is not left with a false impression of the facts. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 16:50, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Diffusion of information

I really feel that, given the "Did Radagast fail?" section discusses Tolkien's changing conception - and development - of this character, it is inappropriate to demote the "Did Radagast fail?" section to a sub-page no one will ever read. This is not a long article and the discussion is worthy of the attention of those who come across this page. I do think, however, that we could come up with a better title than "Did Radagast fail?".-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  10:46, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

It is a text which is OK as an essay by itself, but some of it could as well be compressed and diffused in an article's main text, without quotations, chatter and conclusions. There is a lot to say about many topics, but a tidier and more compact presentation is better than writing brainstormings now and then. In that view, this text seems like an oddity and I decided to tide this up a bit. If you also see this somehow like this, we could decide a middle ground. Sage 15:50, 7 May 2013 (UTC)