Talk:Westfold-men

Just to clarify, the Westfold-men only just in Westfold and not any other regions of Rohan right? It seems fairly obvious and my three seconds of googling seem to say so but just thrown off by the fact this page describes where the region is instead of just saying Westfold. Aragorn II (talk) 21:10, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

If you use the History function on the top right of the Westfold-men page you will see that almost all content was added by Hyarion, so I suggest that you ask Hyarion. Apart from that I am not aware of any source written by J.R.R. Tolkien, which contains a precise definition of what the term Westfold-men means and where Westfold-men usually live as their "native" locations. The normal use of words in English suggests that the Westfold-men are men from the Westfold or men of the Westfold. J.R.R. Tolkien once used "with many men of Westfold at his back" in the chapter Helm's Deep where he also used the terms Westfold-men and Westfolders. He also used "gathering of such men of Westfold as he could" in the chapter The Battles of the Fords of Isen in Unfinished Tales. After I saw that you had added the Sources tag to the Westfold-men page, I decided to review and correct the Westfold page and to add references to it. The eastern boundary of Westfold is not known, but I found statements about the (approximate) western and northern boundaries and the southern boundary can be inferred from general statements about the borders of Rohan and from the maps. --Akhôrahil (talk) 15:12, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Hyarion was the founder of this wiki and while he was populating it with articles he copypasted a lot from the Encyclopedia of Arda website some of which are useless (have almost zero useful information). Now it might seem wrong, but back then, when this was a small wiki fed by few people it seemed like a starting point. Since then many/most of those copied articles have been rewritten, according to the Wiki's policy and style. The thing is, that there are still quite a few here; their tone and style is distincly different than the articles of this wiki as it has evolved now. I haven't checked if this article is from there, but from what i see, I bet my two cents that this is the case with this article. I propose it should be rewritten or just deleted. Sage (talk) 17:29, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Helmingas

Quick explanation of why I included Helmingas in the article since it was questioned and then removed

1. Helmingas and Westfold-men are used seemingly synonymously in the same sentence. (pg. 535)
2. In the index, entry Westfold. "men of" lists Helmingas, Westfolders. The entry for Helmingas says to see Westfold.

This is of course just my interpretation and anyone more knowledgeable please prove me wrong if I am. Aragorn II (talk) 21:41, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. As for the first point, the phrase seems to suggest they are synonymous but I think this is not enough to prove it, as the phrase can be interpreted differently, and also there is nothing in the story of Helm or of Westfold. As for the second point, the index was not made by Tolkien but by the editors, who, since they don't provide another source, their starting point was obviously the very phrase you mentioned, so it is their (mis)interpretation too. However, as I said to Akhorahil, even if we disagree with them, it is notable enough to be included in some footnote. But not enough so as to try to find a connection between Helm and Westfold, or to assume that the Westfolders were the "people of Helm". Sage (talk) 00:28, 25 January 2024 (UTC)