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−	'''Tolkien fandom''' is an international, informal community of fans of the works of [[J.R.R. Tolkien]], especially of the [[Middle-earth]] ~~legendarium which includes ''~~[[~~The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Hobbit]]'', ''[[The Silmarillion]]'' and ''[[The History of Middle-earth~~]]~~'' series~~.	+	'''Tolkien fandom''' is an international, informal community of fans of the works of [[J.R.R. Tolkien]], especially of the [[Middle-earth]] [[legendarium]].

	There are heavily contrasted internal divisions within the current "movement", which have racked the fandom up to the present day and show no signs of reconciliation at any point in the future. Written preference for any one of a pair of two diametrically opposed internal factions can be met with swift reprisal, although the differences are not necessarily or in all cases divisive.		There are heavily contrasted internal divisions within the current "movement", which have racked the fandom up to the present day and show no signs of reconciliation at any point in the future. Written preference for any one of a pair of two diametrically opposed internal factions can be met with swift reprisal, although the differences are not necessarily or in all cases divisive.
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	The reconstructionists also prefer for this reason only the most later forms of Tolkien's creations, believing that earlier forms of his languages belong to a different universe (in a way that the ''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part One]]'' belongs in a different universe than ''[[The Silmarillion]]'') and concentrate their studies on them. The purists prefer to regard all the forms of his languages as conceptual evolution of a single creation. Notable known reconstructionists include [[David Salo]], the linguist who was mainly responsible for the reconstructed [[Quenya]], [[Sindarin]] and other Tolkien languages in the movies.		The reconstructionists also prefer for this reason only the most later forms of Tolkien's creations, believing that earlier forms of his languages belong to a different universe (in a way that the ''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part One]]'' belongs in a different universe than ''[[The Silmarillion]]'') and concentrate their studies on them. The purists prefer to regard all the forms of his languages as conceptual evolution of a single creation. Notable known reconstructionists include [[David Salo]], the linguist who was mainly responsible for the reconstructed [[Quenya]], [[Sindarin]] and other Tolkien languages in the movies.

−	An accusation from the purists against the reconstructionists is that the latter, trying to systematise everything according to logic and fit everything in their theories, come to hasty and biased assumptions that often contradict Tolkien's writings. Notable purists include [[Carl F. Hostetter]], the editor of [[Vinyar Tengwar]].	+	An accusation from the purists against the reconstructionists is that the latter, trying to systematise everything according to logic and fit everything in their theories, come to hasty and biased assumptions that often contradict Tolkien's writings. Notable purists include [[Carl F. Hostetter]], the editor of ''[[Vinyar Tengwar]]''.

	== Effects of the films ==		== Effects of the films ==

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	There are also other, less widely used terms describing Tolkien fans, such as '''Tolkienite''', Tolkienophile or Tolkiendil (an Anglo-[[Quenya]] compound). A ''very'' early term which was never widely adopted was '''LotRian'''.		There are also other, less widely used terms describing Tolkien fans, such as '''Tolkienite''', Tolkienophile or Tolkiendil (an Anglo-[[Quenya]] compound). A ''very'' early term which was never widely adopted was '''LotRian'''.

−	There is also a distinction between those who focus primarily on the books rather than the [[Peter Jackson]] movies and those who focus(ed) primarily on the Peter Jackson movies. The prior have typically remained steadfast Tolkien enthusiasts over decades whereas the latter in many cases experienced only a brief infatuation with Middle-earth. A case in point of diverging fandom was seen in the Netherlands where a traditional Tolkien society, [[Unquendor]], existed alongside a movie based Tolkien society, [[Fellowship]]. The prior is still very much active as at 2011 where the latter is now defunct. Similar movie based Tolkien societies have disappeared globally.	+	There is also a distinction between those who focus primarily on the books rather than the [[Peter Jackson]] movies and those who focus(ed) primarily on the Peter Jackson movies. The prior have typically remained steadfast Tolkien enthusiasts over decades whereas the latter in many cases experienced only a brief infatuation with Middle-earth. A case in point of diverging fandom was seen in the Netherlands where a traditional Tolkien society, [[Unquendor]], existed alongside a movie based Tolkien society, [[The Fellowship]]. The prior is still very much active as at 2011 where the latter is now defunct. Similar movie based Tolkien societies have disappeared globally.

	== History ==		== History ==

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	There are also other, less widely used terms describing Tolkien fans, such as '''Tolkienite''', Tolkienophile or Tolkiendil (an Anglo-[[Quenya]] compound). A ''very'' early term which was never widely adopted was '''LotRian'''.		There are also other, less widely used terms describing Tolkien fans, such as '''Tolkienite''', Tolkienophile or Tolkiendil (an Anglo-[[Quenya]] compound). A ''very'' early term which was never widely adopted was '''LotRian'''.

−	There is also a distinction between those who focus primarily on the books rather than the [[Peter Jackson]] movies and those who focus(ed) primarily on the Peter Jackson movies. The prior have typically remained steadfast Tolkien enthusiasts over decades whereas the latter in many cases experienced only a brief infatuation with Middle-earth. A case in point of diverging fandom was seen in the Netherlands where a traditional Tolkien society, [[Unquendor]], existed alongside a movie based Tolkien society, [[~~Fellowship (Tolkien Society)\|~~Fellowship]]. The prior is still very much active as at 2011 where the latter is now defunct. Similar movie based Tolkien societies have disappeared globally.	+	There is also a distinction between those who focus primarily on the books rather than the [[Peter Jackson]] movies and those who focus(ed) primarily on the Peter Jackson movies. The prior have typically remained steadfast Tolkien enthusiasts over decades whereas the latter in many cases experienced only a brief infatuation with Middle-earth. A case in point of diverging fandom was seen in the Netherlands where a traditional Tolkien society, [[Unquendor]], existed alongside a movie based Tolkien society, [[Fellowship]]. The prior is still very much active as at 2011 where the latter is now defunct. Similar movie based Tolkien societies have disappeared globally.

	== History ==		== History ==

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	There are also other, less widely used terms describing Tolkien fans, such as '''Tolkienite''', Tolkienophile or Tolkiendil (an Anglo-[[Quenya]] compound). A ''very'' early term which was never widely adopted was '''LotRian'''.		There are also other, less widely used terms describing Tolkien fans, such as '''Tolkienite''', Tolkienophile or Tolkiendil (an Anglo-[[Quenya]] compound). A ''very'' early term which was never widely adopted was '''LotRian'''.

−	There is also a distinction between those who focus primarily on the books rather than the [[Peter Jackson]] movies and those who focus(ed) primarily on the Peter Jackson movies. The prior have typically remained steadfast Tolkien enthusiasts over decades whereas the latter in many cases experienced only a brief infatuation with Middle-earth. A case in point of diverging fandom was seen in the Netherlands where a traditional Tolkien society, [[Unquendor]], existed alongside a movie based Tolkien society, [[ Fellowship]]. The prior is still very much active as at 2011 where the latter is now defunct. Similar movie based Tolkien societies have disappeared globally.	+	There is also a distinction between those who focus primarily on the books rather than the [[Peter Jackson]] movies and those who focus(ed) primarily on the Peter Jackson movies. The prior have typically remained steadfast Tolkien enthusiasts over decades whereas the latter in many cases experienced only a brief infatuation with Middle-earth. A case in point of diverging fandom was seen in the Netherlands where a traditional Tolkien society, [[Unquendor]], existed alongside a movie based Tolkien society, [[Fellowship (Tolkien Society)\|Fellowship]]. The prior is still very much active as at 2011 where the latter is now defunct. Similar movie based Tolkien societies have disappeared globally.

	== History ==		== History ==

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	== Fans today ==		== Fans today ==

−	The most popular fansite is currently [http://theonering.net TheOneRing.net], which is very popular even with the cast and crew. TORn, as it is called, was originally a small movie-news site that gained in prestige as movie-rumors became reality. The filmmakers put special effort into winning over the fans, not simply tolerating but actually actively ''supporting'' fansites. Of these, TheOneRing.net is the most well-known and is probably responsible for popularizing the term ''Ringers''. Fans who have avoided the hype surrounding the movie therefore may not use the term, so it is probably preferable to say "Tolkien fans" or "''Lord of the Rings''" fans when in doubt.	+	The most popular movie focused fansite is currently [http://theonering.net TheOneRing.net], which is very popular even with the cast and crew. TORn, as it is called, was originally a small movie-news site that gained in prestige as movie-rumors became reality. The filmmakers put special effort into winning over the fans, not simply tolerating but actually actively ''supporting'' fansites. Of these, TheOneRing.net is the most well-known and is probably responsible for popularizing the term ''Ringers''. Fans who have avoided the hype surrounding the movie therefore may not use the term, so it is probably preferable to say "Tolkien fans" or "''Lord of the Rings''" fans when in doubt.

	Another popular fansite is [http://www.lotrplaza.com LOTRPlaza], which is a role-playing site that doubles as a forum to discuss everything from whether balrogs have wings to the best way to learn Sindarin.		Another popular fansite is [http://www.lotrplaza.com LOTRPlaza], which is a role-playing site that doubles as a forum to discuss everything from whether balrogs have wings to the best way to learn Sindarin.

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	There are also other, less widely used terms describing Tolkien fans, such as '''Tolkienite''', Tolkienophile or Tolkiendil (an Anglo-[[Quenya]] compound). A ''very'' early term which was never widely adopted was '''LotRian'''.		There are also other, less widely used terms describing Tolkien fans, such as '''Tolkienite''', Tolkienophile or Tolkiendil (an Anglo-[[Quenya]] compound). A ''very'' early term which was never widely adopted was '''LotRian'''.

−	There is also a distinction between those who focus primarily on the books rather than the [[Peter Jackson]] movies and those who focus(ed) primarily on the Peter Jackson movies. The prior have typically remained steadfast Tolkien enthusiasts over decades whereas the latter in many cases experienced only a brief infatuation with Middle-earth.	+	There is also a distinction between those who focus primarily on the books rather than the [[Peter Jackson]] movies and those who focus(ed) primarily on the Peter Jackson movies. The prior have typically remained steadfast Tolkien enthusiasts over decades whereas the latter in many cases experienced only a brief infatuation with Middle-earth. A case in point of diverging fandom was seen in the Netherlands where a traditional Tolkien society, [[Unquendor]], existed alongside a movie based Tolkien society, [[ Fellowship]]. The prior is still very much active as at 2011 where the latter is now defunct. Similar movie based Tolkien societies have disappeared globally.

	== History ==		== History ==

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	== Effects of the films ==		== Effects of the films ==

−	The number of fans (and the number of people who ~~will admit~~ in public to being fans) ~~has~~ increased enormously due to the benefits of mass media and advertising, as ~~has~~ the number of people who ~~have~~ read of or at least heard of the books.	+	The number of fans (and the number of people who admitted in public to being fans) increased enormously due to the benefits of mass media and advertising, as did the number of people who read or at least heard of the books.

−	However, some of the new "Tolkien fans" ~~are~~ apparently unaware or uncaring that the films were based on a book. On points where the books and movie diverge, many book fans ~~will accept changed scenes~~ more or less, but new fans who ~~have~~ never read the books usually ~~base~~ beliefs about the mythology on the movie, beliefs which are contradictory to established canon. For example, movie fans might think [[Arwen]] is a warrior, which, while not entirely impossible within the actual story, is certainly not supported by any material published by Tolkien. (Similarily, all Elves are not automatically strong warriors and archers.) Arwen's strength in the book is emotional and possibly spiritual.	+	However, some of the new "Tolkien fans" were apparently unaware or uncaring that the films were based on a book. On points where the books and movie diverge, many book fans more or less accepted changed scenes, but new fans who never read the books usually based beliefs about the mythology on the movie, beliefs which are contradictory to established canon. For example, movie fans might think [[Arwen]] is a warrior, which, while not entirely impossible within the actual story, is certainly not supported by any material published by Tolkien. (Similarily, all Elves are not automatically strong warriors and archers.) Arwen's strength in the book is emotional and possibly spiritual.

−	A special kind of "new fandom" ~~centers~~ around fangirls who ~~tend~~ to idolize the male stars of the movies: most notably [[Orlando Bloom]] ("[[Legolas]]").	+	A special kind of "new fandom" centered around fangirls who tended to idolize the male stars of the movies: most notably [[Orlando Bloom]] ("[[Legolas]]").

	== Highly debatable issues ==		== Highly debatable issues ==

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	Articles on ''The Lord of the Rings'' appeared regularly in the 1960s fanzine ''Niekas'', edited by [[Ed Meskys]]. The first organized Tolkien fan group was "The Fellowship of the Ring", founded by [[Ted Johnstone]] at Pittcon, the 1960 Worldcon. They published four issues of the fanzine ''i-Palantir'' before the organization disbanded.		Articles on ''The Lord of the Rings'' appeared regularly in the 1960s fanzine ''Niekas'', edited by [[Ed Meskys]]. The first organized Tolkien fan group was "The Fellowship of the Ring", founded by [[Ted Johnstone]] at Pittcon, the 1960 Worldcon. They published four issues of the fanzine ''i-Palantir'' before the organization disbanded.

−	The [[Tolkien Society of America]] first met "in February, 1965, beside the statue of Alma Mater on the Columbia University campus," according to a 1967 ''New York Times'' interview with [[Richard Plotz]], the Society's founder and first Thain. By 1967, Meskys had become Thain and the society boasted over 1,000 members, primarily in the New York area, and was organized into local groups or ''smials'', a pattern that would be followed by other Tolkien fan organizations. The society published a newsletter, ''Green Dragon'', and ''The Tolkien Journal'' (edited by Plotz). In 1969, the society sponsored the first Tolkien Conference at [[Belknap College]]. The Tolkien Conference was not a "science fiction convention" but rather a scholarly event.	+	The [[Tolkien Society of America]] first met "in February, 1965, beside the statue of Alma Mater on the Columbia University campus," according to a 1967 ''New York Times'' interview with [[Richard Plotz]], the Society's founder and first Thain. By 1967, Meskys had become Thain and the society boasted over 1,000 members, primarily in the New York area, and was organized into local groups or ''smials'', a pattern that would be followed by other Tolkien fan organizations. The society published a newsletter, ''Green Dragon'', and ''The Tolkien Journal'' (edited by Plotz). In 1969, the society sponsored the first Tolkien Conference at [[wikipedia:Fort Belknap College\|Fort Belknap College]]. The Tolkien Conference was not a "science fiction convention" but rather a scholarly event.

−	The [[University of Wisconsin Tolkien Society]] was founded in 1966, and is best know for its journal ''Orcrist'' (1966-1977), edited by [[Richard C. West]].	+	The [[University of Wisconsin Tolkien and Fantasy Society\|University of Wisconsin Tolkien Society]] was founded in 1966, and is best know for its journal ''Orcrist'' (1966-1977), edited by [[Richard C. West]].

	Across the continent, [[Glen GoodKnight]] founded the [[Mythopoeic Society]] in California in 1967 for the study, discussion, and enjoyment of fantastic and mythic literature, especially the works of Tolkien and fellow-[[Inklings]] [[C.S. Lewis]], and [[Charles Williams]]. The society held its first Mythcon conference in [[1970]], which featured readings, a costume competition, an art show, and other events typical of science fiction conventions of the day. The society's three current periodicals are ''Mythprint'', a monthly bulletin; ''Mythlore'', originally a fanzine and now a peer-reviewed journal that publishes scholarly articles on mythic and fantastic literature; and ''Mythic Circle'', a literary annual of original poetry and short stories (which replaced the Society's earlier publications ''Mythril'' and ''Mythellany'').		Across the continent, [[Glen GoodKnight]] founded the [[Mythopoeic Society]] in California in 1967 for the study, discussion, and enjoyment of fantastic and mythic literature, especially the works of Tolkien and fellow-[[Inklings]] [[C.S. Lewis]], and [[Charles Williams]]. The society held its first Mythcon conference in [[1970]], which featured readings, a costume competition, an art show, and other events typical of science fiction conventions of the day. The society's three current periodicals are ''Mythprint'', a monthly bulletin; ''Mythlore'', originally a fanzine and now a peer-reviewed journal that publishes scholarly articles on mythic and fantastic literature; and ''Mythic Circle'', a literary annual of original poetry and short stories (which replaced the Society's earlier publications ''Mythril'' and ''Mythellany'').

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−	'''Tolkien fandom''' is an international, informal community of fans of the works of [[J.R.R. Tolkien]], especially of the [[Middle-earth]] legendarium which includes ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Hobbit]]'' ~~and~~ ''[[The Silmarillion]]''.	+	'''Tolkien fandom''' is an international, informal community of fans of the works of [[J.R.R. Tolkien]], especially of the [[Middle-earth]] legendarium which includes ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Hobbit]]'', ''[[The Silmarillion]]'' and ''[[The History of Middle-earth]]'' series.

	There are heavily contrasted internal divisions within the current "movement", which have racked the fandom up to the present day and show no signs of reconciliation at any point in the future. Written preference for any one of a pair of two diametrically opposed internal factions can be met with swift reprisal, although the differences are not necessarily or in all cases divisive.		There are heavily contrasted internal divisions within the current "movement", which have racked the fandom up to the present day and show no signs of reconciliation at any point in the future. Written preference for any one of a pair of two diametrically opposed internal factions can be met with swift reprisal, although the differences are not necessarily or in all cases divisive.
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	There are also other, less widely used terms describing Tolkien fans, such as '''Tolkienite''', Tolkienophile or Tolkiendil (an Anglo-[[Quenya]] compound). A ''very'' early term which was never widely adopted was '''LotRian'''.		There are also other, less widely used terms describing Tolkien fans, such as '''Tolkienite''', Tolkienophile or Tolkiendil (an Anglo-[[Quenya]] compound). A ''very'' early term which was never widely adopted was '''LotRian'''.
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		+	There is also a distinction between those who focus primarily on the books rather than the [[Peter Jackson]] movies and those who focus(ed) primarily on the Peter Jackson movies. The prior have typically remained steadfast Tolkien enthusiasts over decades whereas the latter in many cases experienced only a brief infatuation with Middle-earth.

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	There is also a long tradition of organized Tolkien fandoms in Scandinavia. [[Forodrim\|The Tolkien Society Forodrim]] was founded in Sweden in 1972, and has an especially active group interested in Tolkien's languages, ''Mellonath Daeron''. [[Arthedain (Tolkien Society)\|Arthedain, the Tolkien Society of Norway]] was founded in 1981 and issues a journal ''Angerthas''.		There is also a long tradition of organized Tolkien fandoms in Scandinavia. [[Forodrim\|The Tolkien Society Forodrim]] was founded in Sweden in 1972, and has an especially active group interested in Tolkien's languages, ''Mellonath Daeron''. [[Arthedain (Tolkien Society)\|Arthedain, the Tolkien Society of Norway]] was founded in 1981 and issues a journal ''Angerthas''.
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		+	As at 2011 most developed, and some developing, countries have their own [[Tolkien Societies\|Tolkien societ(y/ies)]].

	== Internal categories ==		== Internal categories ==

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	The former believe that Tolkien's languages, however sophisticated and well-made, are not intended to be regularised for practical use, but only for scholary study. The latter try to establish a standard and consistent system of the languages, often discarding Tolkien's experimental and abandoned forms, and often expand the vocabulary and grammar by reconstruction in order to translate names, phrases and poems. To the purists, these expansions are frowned down upon, as much as fan fiction, and they consider such attempts of systematisation futile.		The former believe that Tolkien's languages, however sophisticated and well-made, are not intended to be regularised for practical use, but only for scholary study. The latter try to establish a standard and consistent system of the languages, often discarding Tolkien's experimental and abandoned forms, and often expand the vocabulary and grammar by reconstruction in order to translate names, phrases and poems. To the purists, these expansions are frowned down upon, as much as fan fiction, and they consider such attempts of systematisation futile.

−	The reconstructionists also prefer for this reason only the most later forms of Tolkien's creations, believing that earlier forms of his languages belong to a different universe (in a way that the ''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part ~~1\|The Book of Lost Tales~~]]'' belongs in a different universe than ''[[The Silmarillion]]'') and concentrate their studies on them. The purists prefer to regard all the forms of his languages as conceptual evolution of a single creation. Notable known reconstructionists include [[David Salo]], the linguist who was mainly responsible for the reconstructed [[Quenya]], [[Sindarin]] and other Tolkien languages in the movies.	+	The reconstructionists also prefer for this reason only the most later forms of Tolkien's creations, believing that earlier forms of his languages belong to a different universe (in a way that the ''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part One]]'' belongs in a different universe than ''[[The Silmarillion]]'') and concentrate their studies on them. The purists prefer to regard all the forms of his languages as conceptual evolution of a single creation. Notable known reconstructionists include [[David Salo]], the linguist who was mainly responsible for the reconstructed [[Quenya]], [[Sindarin]] and other Tolkien languages in the movies.

	An accusation from the purists against the reconstructionists is that the latter, trying to systematise everything according to logic and fit everything in their theories, come to hasty and biased assumptions that often contradict Tolkien's writings. Notable purists include [[Carl F. Hostetter]], the editor of [[Vinyar Tengwar]].		An accusation from the purists against the reconstructionists is that the latter, trying to systematise everything according to logic and fit everything in their theories, come to hasty and biased assumptions that often contradict Tolkien's writings. Notable purists include [[Carl F. Hostetter]], the editor of [[Vinyar Tengwar]].