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	== External Links ==		== External Links ==
	* [http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/t/tombombadil.html Entry in the Encyclopedia of Arda] (a concise overview of the discussion)		* [http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/t/tombombadil.html Entry in the Encyclopedia of Arda] (a concise overview of the discussion)
−	* [http://www.~~suite101~~.com/~~article.cfm~~/~~4786~~/~~76065~~ Count, Count, Weigh, Divide] discusses Tom Bombadil's moral aspects at length	+	* [http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/798994/posts Count, Count, Weigh, Divide] by [[Michael Martinez]](discusses Tom Bombadil's moral aspects at length)
	* [http://www.whoistombombadil.blogspot.com/2013/01/tom-bombadil-as-music-of-ainur_9.html Tom as the Music of the Ainur] discusses the major theories of Tom's origins and proposes a new theory.		* [http://www.whoistombombadil.blogspot.com/2013/01/tom-bombadil-as-music-of-ainur_9.html Tom as the Music of the Ainur] discusses the major theories of Tom's origins and proposes a new theory.

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	[[John D. Rateliff]] has noted a theory launched by scholar Justin Noetzel. In the latter's paper "Beorn and Tom Bombadil: Mythology, Narrative, and The Most (Non) Essential Characters in Middle-earth", Noetzel suggests an association of Tom Bombadil with the [[Wikipedia:Celtic Otherworld\|Celtic Otherworld]] and tales of the [[Wikipedia:Tuatha Dé Danann\|Tuatha Dé Danann]].<ref>{{webcite\|author=[[John D. Rateliff]]\|articleurl=http://sacnoths.blogspot.se/2013/03/valparaiso-day-three.html\|articlename=Valparaiso, Day Three\|dated=12 March 2013\|website=Sac\|accessed=14 March 2013}}</ref>		[[John D. Rateliff]] has noted a theory launched by scholar Justin Noetzel. In the latter's paper "Beorn and Tom Bombadil: Mythology, Narrative, and The Most (Non) Essential Characters in Middle-earth", Noetzel suggests an association of Tom Bombadil with the [[Wikipedia:Celtic Otherworld\|Celtic Otherworld]] and tales of the [[Wikipedia:Tuatha Dé Danann\|Tuatha Dé Danann]].<ref>{{webcite\|author=[[John D. Rateliff]]\|articleurl=http://sacnoths.blogspot.se/2013/03/valparaiso-day-three.html\|articlename=Valparaiso, Day Three\|dated=12 March 2013\|website=Sac\|accessed=14 March 2013}}</ref>

−	==Portrayal in ~~Adaptions~~==	+	==Portrayal in adaptions==

	Because he is left out of the three major adaptations ([[The Lord of the Rings (1978 film)\|Ralph Bakshi]], [[The Lord of the Rings (1981 radio series)\|BBC's 1981 series]] and [[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring\|Peter Jackson's]]), Tom Bombadil's main role (providing the [[Daggers of Westernesse\|Barrow-blades]]) is omitted. He does have several appearances in other adaptations, though.		Because he is left out of the three major adaptations ([[The Lord of the Rings (1978 film)\|Ralph Bakshi]], [[The Lord of the Rings (1981 radio series)\|BBC's 1981 series]] and [[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring\|Peter Jackson's]]), Tom Bombadil's main role (providing the [[Daggers of Westernesse\|Barrow-blades]]) is omitted. He does have several appearances in other adaptations, though.

−	~~<center><gallery>~~	+	{{Gallery
−	File:WiMe-Bombadil-1-.png\|~~<center><small>~~''[[J.R.R. Tolkien's War in Middle Earth]]''</small>	+	\|title=Tom Bombadil in adaptations
−	~~Image~~:Tom Bombadil viv lotr.JPG\|~~<center><small>~~[[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (video game)\|''The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring'' (video game)]]~~</small>~~	+	\|height=150
−	~~Image~~:BFME2 - Tom Bombadil 03.jpg\|~~<center><small>~~''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth II]]''</small>	+	\|width=200
−	~~Image~~:Tom Bombadil LOTRO.jpg\|~~<center><small>~~''[[The Lord of the Rings Online]]''~~</small>~~	+	\|lines=3
−	~~</gallery></center>~~	+	\|File:WiMe-Bombadil-1-.png\|''[[J.R.R. Tolkien's War in Middle Earth]]''</small>
−		+	\|File:Tom Bombadil viv lotr.JPG\|[[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (video game)\|''The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring'' (video game)]]
		+	\|File:BFME2 - Tom Bombadil 03.jpg\|''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth II]]''</small>
		+	\|File:Tom Bombadil LOTRO.jpg\|''[[The Lord of the Rings Online]]''
		+	}}
	'''1955: ''[[The Lord of the Rings (1956 radio series)\|BBC Radio's The Lord of the Rings]]'':'''		'''1955: ''[[The Lord of the Rings (1956 radio series)\|BBC Radio's The Lord of the Rings]]'':'''
	:[[Norman Shelley]] voiced Bombadil, and Tolkien thought his portrayal "dreadful". [[Goldberry]] was portrayed as his daughter, rather than his wife<ref>{{L\|175}}</ref>.		:[[Norman Shelley]] voiced Bombadil, and Tolkien thought his portrayal "dreadful". [[Goldberry]] was portrayed as his daughter, rather than his wife<ref>{{L\|175}}</ref>.

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	The peril of the hobbits was not over; an attack on their lives was carried out, and their ponies were set loose. The ponies apparently remembered the care they were given in the house of Tom Bombadil, and returned to stay beside Tom's own pony, [[Fatty Lumpkin]]. He returned them to [[Barliman Butterbur]], the proprietor of ''The Prancing Pony''. Since he had paid eighteen pence as compensation for the loss, he was now the owner of five fine ponies.<ref>{{FR\|Knife}}</ref>		The peril of the hobbits was not over; an attack on their lives was carried out, and their ponies were set loose. The ponies apparently remembered the care they were given in the house of Tom Bombadil, and returned to stay beside Tom's own pony, [[Fatty Lumpkin]]. He returned them to [[Barliman Butterbur]], the proprietor of ''The Prancing Pony''. Since he had paid eighteen pence as compensation for the loss, he was now the owner of five fine ponies.<ref>{{FR\|Knife}}</ref>
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−	~~==Inspiration==~~
−	Tom Bombadil was inspired primarily from a doll Tolkien's son, Michael, toyed with; it also may have been inspired by the character Väinämöinen (spelt 'Wainamoinen' in English) in the Finnish national epic [[Kalevala]], or Father [[Francis Xavier Morgan]] at the [[Birmingham Oratory]]:
−	{{quote\|... Father Francis Xavier Morgan, then aged forty-three, who shortly after the Tolkiens moved into the district [Edgbaston] took over the duties of parish priest and came to call. In him Mabel soon found not only a sympathetic priest but a valuable friend. Half Welsh and half Anglo-Spanish (his mother’s family were prominent in the sherry trade), Francis Morgan was '''not a man of great intellect, but he had an immense fund of kindness and humour and a flamboyance''' that was often attributed to his Spanish connections. Indeed '''he was a very noisy man, loud and affectionate, embarrassing to small children at first but hugely lovable when they got to know him.'''\|[[J.R.R. Tolkien: A Biography]]}}
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−	[[Paula Marmor]] notes that ''bobadil'' is an archaic word meaning "braggart", as seen in the character "Captain Bobadill" in the English play ''[[Wikipedia:Every Man in His Humour\|Every Man in His Humour]]''. Because of its Bucklandish form, ''[[An Introduction to Elvish]]'' lists the name Bombadil under the "[[Celtic]]-sounding names".
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−	However, it is said that the word derives from '''[[Wikipedia:Boabdil\|Boabdil]]''', the Spaniard name of [[Wikipedia:Muhammad XII of Granada\|'''Abu Abdillah''' Muhammad XII]], the last Moorish ruler of Granada.<ref>[[Jim Allan]], ''[[An Introduction to Elvish]]'', Giving of Names</ref>

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	* The Dwarves knew him as '''''Forn'''''. This too is a reference to his age: it is [[North Germanic languages\|Old Norse]] for "(belonging to) ancient (days)".<ref name="nomen"/> In some imprints of ''[[The History of Middle-earth Index]]'', this name was accidentally spelled with a "P" as the first letter.<ref>{{HM\|IX}}, "Tom Bombadil (VII)", p. 435</ref>		* The Dwarves knew him as '''''Forn'''''. This too is a reference to his age: it is [[North Germanic languages\|Old Norse]] for "(belonging to) ancient (days)".<ref name="nomen"/> In some imprints of ''[[The History of Middle-earth Index]]'', this name was accidentally spelled with a "P" as the first letter.<ref>{{HM\|IX}}, "Tom Bombadil (VII)", p. 435</ref>
	* ''Tom Bombadil'' is said to be a [[Buckland\|Bucklandish]] name, added by Hobbit chroniclers to his many older ones. It is, like many names of the Bucklanders, untranslatable.<ref name="Adv"/>		* ''Tom Bombadil'' is said to be a [[Buckland\|Bucklandish]] name, added by Hobbit chroniclers to his many older ones. It is, like many names of the Bucklanders, untranslatable.<ref name="Adv"/>
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		+	==Inspiration==
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		+	Tom Bombadil was inspired primarily from a doll Tolkien's son, Michael, toyed with.{{fact}}
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		+	[[Paula Marmor]] notes that ''bobadil'' is an archaic word meaning "braggart", as seen in the character "Captain Bobadill" in the English play ''[[Wikipedia:Every Man in His Humour\|Every Man in His Humour]]''. Because of its Bucklandish form, ''[[An Introduction to Elvish]]'' lists the name Bombadil under the "[[Celtic]]-sounding names". However, it is said that the word derives from '''[[Wikipedia:Boabdil\|Boabdil]]''', the Spaniard name of [[Wikipedia:Muhammad XII of Granada\|'''Abu Abdillah''' Muhammad XII]], the last Moorish ruler of Granada.<ref>[[Jim Allan]], ''[[An Introduction to Elvish]]'', Giving of Names</ref>
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		+	[[John D. Rateliff]] has noted a theory launched by scholar Justin Noetzel. In the latter's paper "Beorn and Tom Bombadil: Mythology, Narrative, and The Most (Non) Essential Characters in Middle-earth", Noetzel suggests an association of Tom Bombadil with the [[Wikipedia:Celtic Otherworld\|Celtic Otherworld]] and tales of the [[Wikipedia:Tuatha Dé Danann\|Tuatha Dé Danann]].<ref>{{webcite\|author=[[John D. Rateliff]]\|articleurl=http://sacnoths.blogspot.se/2013/03/valparaiso-day-three.html\|articlename=Valparaiso, Day Three\|dated=12 March 2013\|website=Sac\|accessed=14 March 2013}}</ref>

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	==See also==		==See also==
		+	*'''[[Tom Bombadil/Nature\|The Nature of Tom Bombadil]]'''
	*[[:Category:Images of Tom Bombadil\|Images of Tom Bombadil]]		*[[:Category:Images of Tom Bombadil\|Images of Tom Bombadil]]
−	*[[Tom Bombadil/Nature\|\|The Nature of Tom Bombadil]]

−	~~{{references}}~~
	== External Links ==		== External Links ==
	* [http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/t/tombombadil.html Entry in the Encyclopedia of Arda] (a concise overview of the discussion)		* [http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/t/tombombadil.html Entry in the Encyclopedia of Arda] (a concise overview of the discussion)
	* [http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/4786/76065 Count, Count, Weigh, Divide] discusses Tom Bombadil's moral aspects at length		* [http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/4786/76065 Count, Count, Weigh, Divide] discusses Tom Bombadil's moral aspects at length
	* [http://www.whoistombombadil.blogspot.com/2013/01/tom-bombadil-as-music-of-ainur_9.html Tom as the Music of the Ainur] discusses the major theories of Tom's origins and proposes a new theory.		* [http://www.whoistombombadil.blogspot.com/2013/01/tom-bombadil-as-music-of-ainur_9.html Tom as the Music of the Ainur] discusses the major theories of Tom's origins and proposes a new theory.
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		+	{{references}}
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	[[Category:Characters]]		[[Category:Characters]]
	[[Category:Ring-bearers]]		[[Category:Ring-bearers]]

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	* [http://www.whoistombombadil.blogspot.com/2013/01/tom-bombadil-as-music-of-ainur_9.html Tom as the Music of the Ainur] discusses the major theories of Tom's origins and proposes a new theory.		* [http://www.whoistombombadil.blogspot.com/2013/01/tom-bombadil-as-music-of-ainur_9.html Tom as the Music of the Ainur] discusses the major theories of Tom's origins and proposes a new theory.
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	* [http://www.whoistombombadil.blogspot.com/2013/01/tom-bombadil-as-music-of-ainur_9.html Tom as the Music of the Ainur] discusses the major theories of Tom's origins and proposes a new theory.		* [http://www.whoistombombadil.blogspot.com/2013/01/tom-bombadil-as-music-of-ainur_9.html Tom as the Music of the Ainur] discusses the major theories of Tom's origins and proposes a new theory.
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	[[Image:John Howe - Tom Bombadil.jpg\|thumb\|left\|''Tom Bombadil'' by [[John Howe]].]]		[[Image:John Howe - Tom Bombadil.jpg\|thumb\|left\|''Tom Bombadil'' by [[John Howe]].]]
	{{quote\|He is a strange creature.\|[[Elrond]], ''[[The Council of Elrond]]''}}		{{quote\|He is a strange creature.\|[[Elrond]], ''[[The Council of Elrond]]''}}
−	The origins and [[Tom Bombadil/Nature\|nature of Tom Bombadil]] are unknown; however, he already existed when the [[Morgoth\|Dark Lord]] came to [[Arda]],<ref name="house">{{FR\|Bombadil}}</ref> signifying he was alive even before the coming of the [[Valar]~~]. There are many theories which try to explain his [http://www.whoistombombadil.blogspot.com origins~~].	+	The origins and [[Tom Bombadil/Nature\|nature of Tom Bombadil]] are unknown; however, he already existed when the [[Morgoth\|Dark Lord]] came to [[Arda]],<ref name="house">{{FR\|Bombadil}}</ref> signifying he was alive even before the coming of the [[Valar]].

	His role and nature in the [[Elder Days]] is unknown, but he must have witnessed most of the major events and battles. He also witnessed the reducing of the great forests that covered all [[Middle-earth]], and perhaps of his powers.<ref name="CoE"/>		His role and nature in the [[Elder Days]] is unknown, but he must have witnessed most of the major events and battles. He also witnessed the reducing of the great forests that covered all [[Middle-earth]], and perhaps of his powers.<ref name="CoE"/>

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	{{quote\|He is a strange creature.\|[[Elrond]], ''[[The Council of Elrond]]''}}		{{quote\|He is a strange creature.\|[[Elrond]], ''[[The Council of Elrond]]''}}
−	The origins and [[Tom Bombadil/Nature\|nature of Tom Bombadil]] are unknown; however, he already existed when the [[Morgoth\|Dark Lord]] came to [[Arda]],<ref name="house">{{FR\|Bombadil}}</ref> signifying he was alive even before the coming of the [[Valar]]. There are many [http://www.whoistombombadil.blogspot.com ~~theories] which try to explain his~~ origins.	+	The origins and [[Tom Bombadil/Nature\|nature of Tom Bombadil]] are unknown; however, he already existed when the [[Morgoth\|Dark Lord]] came to [[Arda]],<ref name="house">{{FR\|Bombadil}}</ref> signifying he was alive even before the coming of the [[Valar]]. There are many theories which try to explain his [http://www.whoistombombadil.blogspot.com origins].

	His role and nature in the [[Elder Days]] is unknown, but he must have witnessed most of the major events and battles. He also witnessed the reducing of the great forests that covered all [[Middle-earth]], and perhaps of his powers.<ref name="CoE"/>		His role and nature in the [[Elder Days]] is unknown, but he must have witnessed most of the major events and battles. He also witnessed the reducing of the great forests that covered all [[Middle-earth]], and perhaps of his powers.<ref name="CoE"/>

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	[[Image:John Howe - Tom Bombadil.jpg\|thumb\|left\|''Tom Bombadil'' by [[John Howe]].]]		[[Image:John Howe - Tom Bombadil.jpg\|thumb\|left\|''Tom Bombadil'' by [[John Howe]].]]
	{{quote\|He is a strange creature.\|[[Elrond]], ''[[The Council of Elrond]]''}}		{{quote\|He is a strange creature.\|[[Elrond]], ''[[The Council of Elrond]]''}}
−	The origins and [[Tom Bombadil/Nature\|nature of Tom Bombadil]] are unknown; however, he already existed when the [[Morgoth\|Dark Lord]] came to [[Arda]],<ref name="house">{{FR\|Bombadil}}</ref> signifying he was alive even before the coming of the [[Valar]]. There are many ~~theories which try to explain his~~ [http://www.whoistombombadil.blogspot.com ~~origins~~].	+	The origins and [[Tom Bombadil/Nature\|nature of Tom Bombadil]] are unknown; however, he already existed when the [[Morgoth\|Dark Lord]] came to [[Arda]],<ref name="house">{{FR\|Bombadil}}</ref> signifying he was alive even before the coming of the [[Valar]]. There are many [http://www.whoistombombadil.blogspot.com theories] which try to explain his origins.

	His role and nature in the [[Elder Days]] is unknown, but he must have witnessed most of the major events and battles. He also witnessed the reducing of the great forests that covered all [[Middle-earth]], and perhaps of his powers.<ref name="CoE"/>		His role and nature in the [[Elder Days]] is unknown, but he must have witnessed most of the major events and battles. He also witnessed the reducing of the great forests that covered all [[Middle-earth]], and perhaps of his powers.<ref name="CoE"/>

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	[[Image:John Howe - Tom Bombadil.jpg\|thumb\|left\|''Tom Bombadil'' by [[John Howe]].]]		[[Image:John Howe - Tom Bombadil.jpg\|thumb\|left\|''Tom Bombadil'' by [[John Howe]].]]
	{{quote\|He is a strange creature.\|[[Elrond]], ''[[The Council of Elrond]]''}}		{{quote\|He is a strange creature.\|[[Elrond]], ''[[The Council of Elrond]]''}}
−	The origins and [[Tom Bombadil/Nature\|nature of Tom Bombadil]] are unknown; however, he already existed when the [[Morgoth\|Dark Lord]] came to [[Arda]],<ref name="house">{{FR\|Bombadil}}</ref> signifying he was alive even before the coming of the [[Valar]].	+	The origins and [[Tom Bombadil/Nature\|nature of Tom Bombadil]] are unknown; however, he already existed when the [[Morgoth\|Dark Lord]] came to [[Arda]],<ref name="house">{{FR\|Bombadil}}</ref> signifying he was alive even before the coming of the [[Valar]]. There are many theories which try to explain his [http://www.whoistombombadil.blogspot.com origins].

	His role and nature in the [[Elder Days]] is unknown, but he must have witnessed most of the major events and battles. He also witnessed the reducing of the great forests that covered all [[Middle-earth]], and perhaps of his powers.<ref name="CoE"/>		His role and nature in the [[Elder Days]] is unknown, but he must have witnessed most of the major events and battles. He also witnessed the reducing of the great forests that covered all [[Middle-earth]], and perhaps of his powers.<ref name="CoE"/>

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	* [http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/t/tombombadil.html Entry in the Encyclopedia of Arda] (a concise overview of the discussion)		* [http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/t/tombombadil.html Entry in the Encyclopedia of Arda] (a concise overview of the discussion)
	* [http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/4786/76065 Count, Count, Weigh, Divide] discusses Tom Bombadil's moral aspects at length		* [http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/4786/76065 Count, Count, Weigh, Divide] discusses Tom Bombadil's moral aspects at length
−		+	* [http://www.whoistombombadil.blogspot.com/2013/01/tom-bombadil-as-music-of-ainur_9.html Tom as the Music of the Ainur] discusses the major theories of Tom's origins and proposes a new theory.
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	[[Category:Ring-bearers]]		[[Category:Ring-bearers]]