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'''References''', or '''sources''', form an important part of any encyclopedia, and so too for [[Tolkien Gateway: About|Tolkien Gateway]]. Allthough it has not always been our biggest concern, sources should be included in every article.
A couple of ways to refer to books, articles, et cetera. Voice comments and concerns on the talk page. Page numbers et cetera serve as example


==Templates==
==LotR==
Tolkien Gateway has two templates that can be used to express the ''need'' for sources:
* [[J.R.R. Tolkien]], ''[[The Fellowship of the Ring]]'', [[Strider (chapter)|Strider]]  
# [[:Template:Sources]]. This template should be inserted if a long article lacks sources. Not all sourceless articles need it; only those where it is not clear where most of the facts come from.
===50th Anniversary edition===
# [[:Template:Fact]]. This smaller template is added after statements of dubious veracity.  
* [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]; [[Wayne G. Hammond]], [[Christina Scull]] (editors), ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' ([[The Lord of the Rings (50th Anniversary Edition)|50th anniversary edition]]), ''[[The Fellowship of the Ring]]'', [[Strider (chapter)|Strider]]
:note: Editors are separated from the author by a semi-colon
==Hobbit==
* [[J.R.R. Tolkien]], ''[[The Hobbit]]'', [[Riddles in the Dark]] (first edition)
* [[J.R.R. Tolkien]], ''[[The Hobbit]]'', [[Riddles in the Dark]] (second edition)


==Adding notes==
==UT, Sil==
Tolkien Gateway uses the cite/cite extension. This works as follows:
* [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]; [[Christopher Tolkien]] (editor), ''[[Unfinished Tales]]'', [[The Drúedain]]


'''Simple:'''
==HoMe==
:<tt>Person X did this<nowiki><ref>Source</ref></nowiki>.</tt>
* [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]; [[Christopher Tolkien]] (editor), ''[[The History of Middle-earth]]'', ''[[The Lays of Beleriand]]'', [[The Lay of Leithian]],
===Etymologies===
* [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]; [[Christopher Tolkien]] (editor), ''[[The History of Middle-earth]]'', ''[[The Lays of Beleriand]]'', [[The Etymologies]], entries BLAH and BLAH


'''Reusing a source:'''
==The Letters==
:<tt>Person X did this<nowiki><ref name="first">First source</ref>, than that <ref>Second source</ref>, before leaving the house<ref name"first"/></nowiki>.</tt>
* [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]; [[Humphrey Carpenter]], [[Christopher Tolkien]] (editors), ''[[The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien]]'', [[Letter 86]] ([[October 23]], [[1944]])
=="[[Nomenclature]]"==
* [[J.R.R. Tolkien]], "[[Nomenclature of The Lord of the Rings]]", published in ''[[The Lord of the Rings: A Reader's Companion]]'' (by [[Wayne G. Hammond]] and [[Christina Scull]]), page number


::''Note: insert the references <u>before</u> the period. They are the end of one statement, not the beginning of another.''
:note: Because the printed text in [[Jared Lobdell|Lobdell]](ed.) ''[[A Tolkien Compass]]'', 1st edn. is no longer freely available, I vote for only referencing to this occurance of the source


These references will end up at the end of the article. In a secion called "References", type:  
==Other semi-secondary material by Tolkien==
* [[J.R.R. Tolkien]], "Words, Phrases & Passages in 'The Lord of the Rings'" (edited by [[Christopher Gilson]]), [[Parma Eldalamberon]] 17 (June [[2007]]), page 113.
:note: This method applies to ALL magazine articles


:<tt><nowiki><references/></nowiki></tt>
==Works by other authors==
===Works that we "have"===
* [[Chris Smith]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings: Weapons and Warfare]]'', page 76, 77
===Works that we don't "have"===
* [[Christopher Lee]], ''Lord of Misrule''<sup>([http://www.amazon.com/Lord-Misrule-Autobiography-Christopher-Lee/dp/0752859331/ref=pd_bbs_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1216220748&sr=8-2 Buy at Amazon.com])</sup>


This displays the elements that have been placed in between the <nowiki><ref></nowiki>-tags. For an example of how this works out, see [[Glamdring#References|here]].
==Websites==
 
===Author/Editor websites===
 
* [[Måns Björkman]], ''Mellonath Daeron Tenwar Specimina'', [http://www.forodrim.org/daeron/mdtci.html Forodrim.org], DTS 15 (accessed September 8, 2008)
==Referencing==
==="Institute" websites===
There are many ways Tolkien's works are referenced.
* [http://www.weaponmasters.com/shopping/Glamdring-The-Sword-of-Gandalf-p-16913.html Weaponmasters.com], ''[[The Noble Collection]]'' Glamdring (accessed September 8, 2008)
* Some prefer the [http://www.forodrim.org/arda/arda_ref.html ''Arda'' structural referencing format]. This is arguably the most precise referencing system, but beyond the comprehension of the average reader, because it relies heavily on abbreviations and chapter numbers (rather than names).
* Some simply write down the page number. This is even less comprehensible, because the page number may be in ''[[The Old Forest]]'' in one edition, and in ''[[The Council of Elrond]]'' in another.
 
Tolkien Gateway has decided to use neither system.
 
===Primary works by Tolkien===
The primary books by J.R.R. Tolkien - and those edited by [[Christopher Tolkien|Christopher]] - do not need an author. This refers to ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Hobbit]]'', ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', ''[[Unfinished Tales]]'', and occasionally ''[[The Adventures of Tom Bombadil]]''.
 
*'''References to ''The Lord of the Rings'' and ''The Hobbit'':'''
:These go by volume and chapter. The volume is in ''italics'', and the chapter is properly [[Help: Disambiguation|disambiguated]]. No page numbers are required ''per se'', as this prevents notes from being able to be reused.
*'''References to the ''[[Appendices]]'':'''
:It should be noted that the Appendices are to ''The Lord of the Rings, not to ''The Return of the King''.
*'''References to ''[[The History of Middle-earth]]'':'''
:
 
===Other works by Tolkien===
====Letters====
====Secondary works by Tolkien====
 
===Works by other authors===
 
===Other sources===
 
===Sources to avoid===
* Noel's LoMe
* Day's Bestiary
* Smith's WaW (sorry Theoden)
* Carter's T&tS
 
[[Category:Help]]

Revision as of 08:31, 8 September 2008

This is a test page by User:Ederchil. It is currently a hunting ground for the new references system.

A couple of ways to refer to books, articles, et cetera. Voice comments and concerns on the talk page. Page numbers et cetera serve as example

LotR

50th Anniversary edition

note: Editors are separated from the author by a semi-colon

Hobbit

UT, Sil

HoMe

Etymologies

The Letters

"Nomenclature"

note: Because the printed text in Lobdell(ed.) A Tolkien Compass, 1st edn. is no longer freely available, I vote for only referencing to this occurance of the source

Other semi-secondary material by Tolkien

note: This method applies to ALL magazine articles

Works by other authors

Works that we "have"

Works that we don't "have"

Websites

Author/Editor websites

"Institute" websites

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