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== Spam ==


== MinasTirith.com: antwoord ==
I don't know if you or Morgan already contacted Hyarion, but I've just emailed him about today's spam influx.--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 17:23, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Niet ver van uw domicilie; 'k kom bij tijd en wijle wel in Grunn' :-) ~ [[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] 14:57, 21 January 2008 (EST)


:'k Hoop niet dat je te veel verwacht van dat schotschrift van Uyldert. 't Is om te huilen! ~ [[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] 16:34, 6 March 2008 (EST)
:I completely forgot to do that. I was too busy having flashbacks to a couple of years back. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 17:32, 1 February 2014 (UTC)


::'k Kan me niet herinneren, dat ik em gezien heb, toen ik er laatst was, maar 'k zag wel vlekken voor de ogen, toen ik bij de Tolkienia stond! ~ [[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] 12:30, 7 March 2008 (EST)
::Thanks for all your effort to undo the mess guys, and thanks for the e-mail KA. For the time being I've just shut off new account creation until we implement a stricter process. Although I'm having a hard time thinking of something stricter, manual approval wouldn't even work since it would be sometimes difficult to differentiate solely based on the username.  --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 17:44, 1 February 2014 (UTC)


== Chat ==
:::You may be aware that I am pretty much computer-less at the moment (temporarily boring a PC right now). The way to fix this, Hyarion, is to change the CAPTCHA questions in LocalSettings.php. That will stop them until they figure out an answer. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:54, 2 February 2014 (UTC)


Hey there Ederchil, I just thought I'd let you know about the [[Tolkien Gateway:Chat|IRC chat]], feel free to join if you ever feel like it, there's at least a couple MinasTirith.com members (Ardamir, Halion, Mith, myself) or wiki editors usually on. We're hoping soon there will be enough interest so we can setup weekly meetings to discuss the wiki. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 17:26, 27 January 2008 (EST)
== List of Book that inspired Tolkien ==


:I'm not really a chatter, but I'll try and figure it out. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 09:07, 28 January 2008 (EST)
It is difficult to put link sources when I just created the page and was  begining to edit including informations, and you delete the page... Be more pacient. Otherwise it will be hard to help this wiki. {{unsigned|Sigurd }}


== Events ==


You've been doing a great job with the year articles, they're looking so much better now. One thing that's been on my mind is how we can store the data more efficiently. For instance I've started creating articles such as [[January 1]] which will list all the events that have ocurred on January 1st both on Earth and on Arda. Then we can include these articles into the [[Main Page]] to see what happened today. I haven't quite figured out the best layout for the page, since we'll want to easily include these. Also, I think we can probably be more specific as to what the Fellowship of the Ring was doing on that day. Like if there isn't any specific event on that day, we can just say they were traveling from X to X or something.
:Couple of things:
* Add new messages at the ''bottom'' of the talk page. They go in chronological order from old to new.
* The entire concept is vague. "Books that inspired Tolkien"? Inspired him on what? To write a book? To become a philologist? To write an alternate mythology for England? To write a specific element?
* As I said, sources. The only source you list is a summary of his personal library, without explaining how this book being in his library inspired him. Unless you have a specific sources that explicitly says Book X inspired him to do action Y, it's just speculation.
* No content other than a list. The introduction is essentially "Books that have inspired Tolkien are books that have inspired Tolkien".
* Basic layout and spelling. That's something that you should do before saving the page.
:As this is a vague and slippery slope (just as our existing train wreck [[Inspirations]] is), it adds nothing at the moment. Without addressing all these points (apart from the first, naturally), I see no point in having it. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 13:38, 1 March 2014 (UTC)


For now I guess we'll just have to manually type things in both year and day articles, but in the future it would be nice if we could type up the event in one location and the other articles include that data somehow, I haven't figured out how to get that to work yet. It would be nice if we could display events by type too, like publication, birth, death, etc. Just thought I'd let you know what's going through my head :) --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 17:41, 28 January 2008 (EST)
:Couple of things:
* Whatever. If you see the message works.
*  To put links, sources and more informations need time to included.
* I was working in that page and adding all informations. But is Impossible to do this when someone came and deleted the page... minutes after I began to write.
* So I think you have to whait some time before going to deleted a page. That is not the first time that you dont have paciense.{{unsigned|Sigurd}}


:I had a similar thing in my head :). I planned to propose such a thing after I've finished the year-articles (long way from finished, still got 1921-1970 to go). -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 03:29, 29 January 2008 (EST)
::While you're putting the page together you can use [[User:Sigurd/Sandbox|a sandbox in your user area]].--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 16:37, 1 March 2014 (UTC)


::Okay, checked it out. We need a disambig on [[May]], though. Now it leads to the Hobbit. Maybe make the titles [[May (month)]] and so for every month? And perhaps a subheader, "In the Calendar of Imladris/Shire Calendar/King's Reckoning etcetera, it is bla bla bla". -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]]
== Battle of the Five Armies ==


== About the Lorien Elves source ==
I'd just come on to change all the links - I'm glad you beat me to it! Thank you! --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 19:17, 24 April 2014 (UTC)


You asked about a source for the Lorien Elves in the Fall of Fornost page, and I have an answer.  In Appendix A, page 1016 it says that Elrond brought Elves from Lorien to help fight Angmar.  Even if this was a hundred years before Fornost's fall, they were probably still aiding in the fight with the other Elf-realms and Arnor by the time Fornost fell. --[[User:Dwarf Lord|Dwarf Lord]] 14:21, 31 March 2008 (EDT)
== Song_of_the_Lonely_Mountain (Talk_Page) ==


:Okay. Just wondering. Maybe it's better if you cite the sources too, it just looks a bit more encyclopedic. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 16:42, 31 March 2008 (EDT)
Hello.<br>Please forgive me, I really made a mistake: the confusion occured.So, in this time, could you help me, where can I publish my translation? On the forum?<br>(From Pnompen)


I do when I remember lol. --[[User:Dwarf Lord|Dwarf Lord]] 18:09, 31 March 2008 (EDT)
:We're not really the right place for fan translations. Also, what would it help? None of us here knows Russian. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 15:45, 7 June 2014 (UTC)


== New Skin ==
== Copyright Violation ==


Hey there Ederchil. I was just wondering what your thoughts were on the [http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Gandalf&useskin=ithilien new skin]. The only thing I'm a little concerned about is the light blue background makes the text somewhat hard to read. Would you prefer keeping the content inside of a white box to look more like the [http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Main%20Page&useskin=ithilien Main Page]? If you have any other suggestions just let me know, I'd also like to change  the color scheme of the main page, as well as the featured article/quote/etc when we launch the new skin, kind of a Tolkien Gateway 3.0. I'm hoping to make the switch soon, I just want to make sure the majority of people see it as an improvement. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 17:42, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
May I ask why the images I uploaded are copyright violations? I personally asked the artist through deviantART. I asked through a note, so I can send you a printscreen or something. She told me that she does not mind as long as she is credited and it is not for profit. I also asked for these three specific images. --[[User:Sandy|Sandy]] 15:08, 19 July 2014 (UTC)


== Brühl ==
:I explained what you needed to add on your message wall. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 15:14, 19 July 2014 (UTC)


Oh  yes, the castles are very nice, which of them did you visit? ''Augustusburg'' or ''Falkenlust''?
::If you mean my Discussion page nothing new has showed up. If you mean another message wall then I have no idea what it is. Sorry :( --[[User:Sandy|Sandy]] 15:28, 19 July 2014 (UTC)


:The big one. Don't remember what it was called. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 09:23, 21 April 2008 (EDT)
:::My bad i just saw it. Thanks for the info! --[[User:Sandy|Sandy]] 15:29, 19 July 2014 (UTC)


''Augustusburg''. But at the moment the terrace of the gardenside is a building lot, it doesn't look very nice. --[[User:Sigismond|Sigismond]] 09:53, 21 April 2008 (EDT)
::::I know, I have spammed you extensively today, and I'm sorry for that. I just want to be sure that this won't happen again. So, I created the page with the permission; Am I allowed to upload them now? And if so, in the template where it says "Permission for use on Tolkien Gateway" will it be automatically linked to the page I created or do I need to do something extra? Thanks again!--[[User:Sandy|Sandy]] 15:53, 19 July 2014 (UTC)


== Thanks ==
:You need to add the template like you used to, but instead of DeviantArt, write Kimberly. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:15, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
 
Hey, thanks for help with those edits on the rose cotton page. i had family over, screaming cousins and all that, couldnt really pay attention.--[[User:Quidon88|Quidon88]] 12:47, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
 
Hey, sorry about that, no, i was playing trivia on irc, sorry about that, im done multi tasking.--[[User:Quidon88|Quidon88]] 16:19, 26 April 2008 (EDT)
 
== Stephen White  ==
 
I know how you feel- 41 links! The way i figured it out was on user:smeagol's discussion page, hyarion asked him how he wanted to be credited as the artist of all those pictures, so I just redirected it to user:smeagol(as you can no doubt tell, dont know why I'm explaining it, just rambling I guess). And while I got you here, I was wondering if you'd like to join us in the chatrooms, its far easier to get a question on there, as hyarion, myself, and a lot of the other more frequent editors are almost always on there. Hyarion has even been trying to set up TG meetings, which youd be more than welcome to join in on.  If it is about your internet connection, don't worry about that, i had slow dial-up for ages before finally getting hi-speed internet and was able to use the java clients with ease. Anyway, thats how I solved that problem, and I hope you join us soon.--[[User:Quidon88|Quidon88]] 11:50, 29 April 2008 (EDT)
 
:My internet's good - in fact, it's the envy of this house because I'm the closest of six d-links to the transmitter-watchamacallit, almost rocksteady at 54 mb/s.  I've tried the chatroom a couple of times, but it doesn't always work. And when I'm in, there's nobody home. Probably because there's half a globe between me and Hyarion. I'll try it now. Okay. I'm in. Never been this in before, to be fair. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 13:02, 29 April 2008 (EDT)
 
== Unify? ==
 
Hey, hmmm... I looked it up and in the online dictionary was the entry ''to unify sth.'' = ''etw. vereinheitlichen''. I want to say, that Carroux doesn't transfer the different levels of language, used by the characters very good in her translation. I'm sorry, if my English isn't every time so good, I mean for me it is a foreign language.
 
Maybe ''to standardise'' is a better verb? --[[User:Sigismond|Sigismond]] 11:35, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
 
:Simplify? -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 12:28, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
 
I think ''to standardise'' is the right word for my intended meaning. --[[User:Sigismond|Sigismond]] 12:54, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
 
== Redirections of alternative names ==
 
Goeienavond, Ederchil!
 
I notice you have recently been redirecting some new lemmata<sup>[http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Telpeross%C3%AB&diff=60937&oldid=60936 [1]][http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Zigil-n%C3%A2d&diff=60899&oldid=38204 [2]]</sup> on alternative (or rejected) names to the commonly used names. I have no problem with that (but remember [[Forum:English_vs._Tolkien_language_entries|this]], Zigil-nâd might have some etymology). However, the lemmata to which you've been redirecting don't mention the alternative name at all, so that any reader who is no expert will only wonder why he has been redirected, and will be none the wiser on the alternative name. So I have taken the liberty of incorporating the minimally necessary information you threw out on redirection to the main lemmata in question. I've also added talk to both pages based on your diff comments.
 
Maybe in future it would be better to make sure the redirected name is actually mentioned in the article redirected to.
 
Hoop dat je je daarin kunt vinden. -- [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] 12:43, 20 May 2008 (EDT)
 
:Mee eens; Zigil-nâd is, zeker ten aanzien van de Zirak/Zigil discussie, het invoegen waard. Maar ik wil er op wijzen dat Telperossë '''nergens''' in de boeken voorkomt (het zou bovendien *Tyelperossë of *Tyeleprossë moeten zijn), zelfs niet in The Problem of Ros. Ik heb het bovendien gegoogled; een fanfic-personage, verder niets.
 
:Oh, stik. In English: Yes, agree. Considering the Zirak/zigil discussion (not really well covered here, tbf) it is wirth inclusion. Telperossë (incorrect Q form) is however nothing more than a fanfic character; it does not appear in Tolkien's writings, not even The Problem of Ros. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 14:04, 20 May 2008 (EDT)
 
::Wat mij betreft kan Telperossë dan weg.
::If you want to remove Telperossë from the Celebros info box and nominate the redirected lemma for deletion, go ahead, and I'll support you.
::I've meanwhile put [[Ramas Echor]]<sup>[http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Ramas_Echor&diff=61521&oldid=61473 [1]]</sup> through the same treatment - put the good bits of what 'Arwen Legolas Wilson' wrote in [[Rammas Echor]], put my reasons for not including the rest in the Talk there, and proposed the typo for speedy deletion. -- [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] 17:03, 20 May 2008 (EDT)
 
:::Gezelli hoor, Nederlanders onder elkaar ;-)
:::[[User:Mithrennaith|Mith]] wrote: ''nominate the redirected lemma for deletion''. I'd rather say: don't delete the redirected lemma, but rewrite it in stating that [[Telperossë]] is a fanfic name and not to be found in [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien's]] works. ~ [[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] 03:30, 21 May 2008 (EDT)
 
::::Gezelli zeker. Ik heb Telperossë niet teruggevonden als naam voor de rivier, maar voor een personage in een [http://www.elfwood.com/art/l/a/lana965/telperosse_argenino.jpg.html fanfic]. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 03:35, 21 May 2008 (EDT)
 
:::::Maybe one fanfic reference is indeed a bit too shallow to base a lemma on. ~ [[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] 03:44, 21 May 2008 (EDT)
 
::::::I'm in favour of deletion, then. -- [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] 10:53, 21 May 2008 (EDT)
 
 
== Glamdring ==
 
Greetings, my fellow senior editor.  I want to thank you for all you do and supporting our first FA since well, ''the''' ''FA'''.  As the ramrod behind the new process, though I feel I have to tell you the truth.  We really can't encourage self-nomination, which ''is'' self-promotion.  The article has all the parts required, but it is rather short.  I've been watching, and it isn't gathering any support.  I not going to vote against it, but you should consider withdrawing this nomination for the time being.  I have another article in mind that is a stronger candidate.--[[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] 19:19, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
 
:I know it isn't very long... but featured doesn't mean long, it means good. Glamdring is obviously not the best - I don't even like it yet. I'm still waiting on some sources to come in, and the  "fate" section could do with some expansion (though it's going to be tricky to find other theories on the matter). Maybe the nomination was a bit premature?
:If the other article is Witch-king of Angmar, that one has my vote on it. TBF, I prefer it over Aragorn. But we need to create a pool of FA's, which don't necessarily need to be articles about major characters. Since we are an all-things-to-do-with-Tolkien encyclopedia, that could (should?) be reflected in FA's. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 02:56, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
 
== TolkienNews ==
 
Greetings and thank you for the welcome message!
 
I checked the "To-Do list" and this came to my atention:
 
"Decide on a slogan for TolkienNews.net. And maybe a new title? Tolkien Times?"
 
How about bringing some news into TolkienNews? :) Tolkien Times sounds good, but the last article there is from December2007. If updated more often, I think the site would be awesome, since it's one of the few (on Tolkien) who have RSS News Feed (basically it's TolkienNews, TheOneRing and Elfenomeno who are accurate and have RSS...at least that's what I've found so far).
 
All the best! :)
 
Þelma
 
:For everything admin-like, check [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]]. My bad that your welcome message links here. As for Tolkiennews, it's undergoing renovation. I think.
:So, ask Hyarion. He's in charge, he usually does the welcoming. Take in mind that he lives in California, so don't expect an immediate answer. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 05:51, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
 
I wrote to Hyarion about it. Also, thank you for correcting my article and specifying the translation of Ingoldo. <br>
[[User:Þelma|Þelma]] 12:11, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
 
==Redirect==
 
Houston, we have a problem.
 
I did the redirection of the [[Meneldur]] page towards the [[Tar-Meneldur]] page...and it first looked like this :
 
From Tolkien Gateway
Redirect page
#REDIRECT Tar-Meneldur
 
BUT! When typing 'Meneldur' on 'Search', it leads me to the OLD Meneldur page, instead of Tar-Meneldur. Methinks I'm not doing this right. So pretty please, can you do it? ~~ [[User:Þelma|Þelma]] 07:04, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

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Spam
Latest comment: 2 February 20144 comments4 people in discussion

I don't know if you or Morgan already contacted Hyarion, but I've just emailed him about today's spam influx.-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  17:23, 1 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I completely forgot to do that. I was too busy having flashbacks to a couple of years back. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 17:32, 1 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for all your effort to undo the mess guys, and thanks for the e-mail KA. For the time being I've just shut off new account creation until we implement a stricter process. Although I'm having a hard time thinking of something stricter, manual approval wouldn't even work since it would be sometimes difficult to differentiate solely based on the username. --Hyarion 17:44, 1 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You may be aware that I am pretty much computer-less at the moment (temporarily boring a PC right now). The way to fix this, Hyarion, is to change the CAPTCHA questions in LocalSettings.php. That will stop them until they figure out an answer. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 10:54, 2 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

List of Book that inspired Tolkien
Latest comment: 1 March 20142 comments2 people in discussion

It is difficult to put link sources when I just created the page and was begining to edit including informations, and you delete the page... Be more pacient. Otherwise it will be hard to help this wiki. —Unsigned comment by Sigurd (talk • contribs).


Couple of things:
  • Add new messages at the bottom of the talk page. They go in chronological order from old to new.
  • The entire concept is vague. "Books that inspired Tolkien"? Inspired him on what? To write a book? To become a philologist? To write an alternate mythology for England? To write a specific element?
  • As I said, sources. The only source you list is a summary of his personal library, without explaining how this book being in his library inspired him. Unless you have a specific sources that explicitly says Book X inspired him to do action Y, it's just speculation.
  • No content other than a list. The introduction is essentially "Books that have inspired Tolkien are books that have inspired Tolkien".
  • Basic layout and spelling. That's something that you should do before saving the page.
As this is a vague and slippery slope (just as our existing train wreck Inspirations is), it adds nothing at the moment. Without addressing all these points (apart from the first, naturally), I see no point in having it. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 13:38, 1 March 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Couple of things:
  • Whatever. If you see the message works.
  • To put links, sources and more informations need time to included.
  • I was working in that page and adding all informations. But is Impossible to do this when someone came and deleted the page... minutes after I began to write.
  • So I think you have to whait some time before going to deleted a page. That is not the first time that you dont have paciense.—Unsigned comment by Sigurd (talk • contribs).
While you're putting the page together you can use a sandbox in your user area.-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  16:37, 1 March 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Battle of the Five Armies
Latest comment: 24 April 20141 comment1 person in discussion

I'd just come on to change all the links - I'm glad you beat me to it! Thank you! -- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  19:17, 24 April 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Song_of_the_Lonely_Mountain (Talk_Page)
Latest comment: 7 June 20141 comment1 person in discussion

Hello.
Please forgive me, I really made a mistake: the confusion occured.So, in this time, could you help me, where can I publish my translation? On the forum?
(From Pnompen)

We're not really the right place for fan translations. Also, what would it help? None of us here knows Russian. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 15:45, 7 June 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Copyright Violation
Latest comment: 19 July 20146 comments2 people in discussion

May I ask why the images I uploaded are copyright violations? I personally asked the artist through deviantART. I asked through a note, so I can send you a printscreen or something. She told me that she does not mind as long as she is credited and it is not for profit. I also asked for these three specific images. --Sandy 15:08, 19 July 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I explained what you needed to add on your message wall. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 15:14, 19 July 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If you mean my Discussion page nothing new has showed up. If you mean another message wall then I have no idea what it is. Sorry :( --Sandy 15:28, 19 July 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
My bad i just saw it. Thanks for the info! --Sandy 15:29, 19 July 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I know, I have spammed you extensively today, and I'm sorry for that. I just want to be sure that this won't happen again. So, I created the page with the permission; Am I allowed to upload them now? And if so, in the template where it says "Permission for use on Tolkien Gateway" will it be automatically linked to the page I created or do I need to do something extra? Thanks again!--Sandy 15:53, 19 July 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You need to add the template like you used to, but instead of DeviantArt, write Kimberly. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 16:15, 19 July 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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