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==Archive==
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===[[User talk:Ederchil/2008|2008]]===
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In which:
'''[[User talk:Ederchil/2008|January 12, 2008 - December 19, 2008]]'''<br>
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'''[[User talk:Ederchil/2009|January 9, 2009 - December 23, 2009]]'''<br>
*[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] welcomes me, invites me for the chat, discusses the [[Calendar]], and asks my opinion on the Ithilien skin.
'''[[User talk:Ederchil/2010|January 9, 2010 - November 19, 2010]]'''<br>
*[[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] comments on Uyldert's ''schotschrift''.
'''[[User talk:Ederchil/2011|February 14, 2011 - December 14, 2011]]'''<br>
* [[User:Sigismond|Sigismond]] plays [[wikipedia:Brühl|Brühl]] tourguide, and discusses a proper translation of ''etwas vereinheitlichen''.
'''[[User talk:Ederchil/2012-3|February 15, 2012 - December 14, 2023]]'''<br>
* [[User:Quidon88|Quidon88]] has cousins over, and discusses [[Steven White Jr.|a wanted page]].
=2014=
* [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]], [[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] and yours sincerely have a ''gezelli'' semi-Dutch/semi-English conversation about redirects.
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* [[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] doesn't like my self-nomination of [[Glamdring]] for FA, and rightly so.
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* As a result of my very first [[:template:w|Welcome!]], [[User:Þelma|Þelma]] ends up on my Talk Page rather than Hyarion's.
* [[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] doesn't like me dogpiling, and rightly so.
* [[Soni Alcorn-Hender|Bohwe]] likes me liking her art.
* [[User:Sage|Sage]] discusses the faults in the [[Tale of Years]] and In-Universe/Out-of-Universe.
* [[User:KingAragorn|KingAragorn]] and [[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] urge me to accept my Admin nomination.
* [[User:Þelma|Þelma]] and [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] discuss the proper usage of "Prince".
* [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] throws in a bucket of [[Unquendor|'''''The''''' Netherlands]] related messages.
* [[User:Quidon88|Quidon88]] and [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] discuss games as part of [[Adaptations]] with me.
* [[User:Ingwe]] wants his desriptions back in [[:Category:Images by Roger Garland|Garland's pics]].
* [[User:Hyarion]] and [[User:Theoden1]] check out of meetings.
* [[User:Numenorian]] ''(sic)'' ''sics''.
* [[User:Aule the Smith]] discusses Windows.
* [[User:Breragor]] is lost in wiki-lingo.
* [[User:Sage]] discusses dates. No, not that kind.
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== Carn Dum ==
 
Hi, what did you not like in that article's analysis? shouldn't we mention that the name ''can be'' Sindarin, and if so, we don't know the words? [[User:Temp|Temp]] 08:54, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 
:Well, at first I disagreed, but with the current reword it's fine. I removed the phrase "The circumflex ^ is used by Tolkien in Sindarin extra long vowels[2], but these words have not been attested in Sindarin."  because there are plenty of those in Sindarin, even with the û - Udûn, for one. But properly sourced, it's good. Note that we're still working on referencing, but we pretty much agreed on [[User:Ederchil/Sandbox#LotR|these]]. Keep up the work - don't be shy, go ahead and completely rewrite an article instead of adding a couple of sentences if you think it needs it. Even very minor characters like [[Gildor Inglorion]] or even [[Nob]] could have a very good article. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 09:23, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 
== Things ==
 
How do you get those little boxes and such that say your name and have links to talk, profile, etc.? {{unsigned|Breragor}}
 
:Just click on "edit" on those pages and see the code they are composed of (some combination of {{, | and ]] etc etc) [[User:Sage|Sage]] 00:05, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 
::Or go here: [[Help:Signatures]]. But keep it within the borders of sanity, please. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 08:24, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 
==Reading order==
Hi again... I know new fans usually wonder about the reading order and I don't know if you ever thought about it. Now it just crossed my mind to make such an article about anyone interested. I plan to start such an article and I hope you have stuff to add. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 00:05, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 
:I do have a newbie's reading order, actually. I give it occasionally on IMDb, where I'm a regular on the LotR boards.
 
# The Hobbit - purely for introductionary reasons
# The Lord of the Rings
# Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age - basically a summary of LotR from a historian's perspective
# The Third Age parts of Unfinished Tales (though The Drúedain and The Istari can be skipped for now)
# The rest of the Silmarillion
# The rest of Unfinished Tales
# The Letters
 
:I just don't have a clue what to call such an article. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 08:18, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
==Elvish database==
I read somewhere that the creation of a Tolkienian wiktionary was one of the ambitions of this wiki. Check out my first attempts. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 16:09, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
==Template==
I like it. My only concern is that perhaps references are overloaded and I would point your attention to some minimalism. There is no need to see everywhere "J.R.R. Tolkien" and "J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.)" again and again in almost every reference. I mean people knows who wrote them. After all, the wiki is about Tolkien.<br>
I am telling this because in a proposed guideline it was (by you?) mentioned that well-known facts need no referencing (like that Bilbo was a Hobbit). Same perhaps would apply to the References themselves.<br>
Of course overly formality is a respected option. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 13:06, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 
:It can be a bit over-the-top, of course. But my main goal with always including the author was meant for the secondary and semi-secondary works. Originally, I favoured just doing ''Book'', "Chapter", but I think that got expanded at one of the meetings.
 
:"[[Vinyar Tengwar 45]], page 24" says nothing to anyone who doesn't have VT (and even to people that do). When JRRT wrote it, it must be made clear. When someone other than JRRT wrote it, that must also be made clear. Just my thoughts. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 13:24, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 
==Template:VGC==
I put in the talk page of the template while I called it VGC. Also, I put in the publisher as a way to substitute the author found on template:HM. --[[User:Pinkkeith|Pinkkeith]] 22:40, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 
:I read the talk pages after I edited, and wanted to respond, but Safari left me. We don't have a standard (yet) citation. Last year, I tried to get some consensus on the matter, and we sorta formulated a couple of things, but they were shelved for a while; let's just say there was a frost in Spring, or a blight in Summer.
 
:As for more games; for that to work, it's best to simply create links to sections, such as in ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (video game)#The Shire]]''.
 
:Also, keep a couple of things in mind. While chapter summaries can go in present tense, character pages (such as [[Amartiel]]) would have to be past tense. Also, avoid contractions like "isn't".  -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 22:48, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 
==Witch-king==
You said you needed a summary for our new Featured Article ;-)
 
The '''[[Witch-king of Angmar]]''' (before [[Second Age]] 2200 - [[Third Age 3019]], [[March 15]]) was the chief of the [[Nazgûl]], King of [[Angmar]], and [[Sauron]]’s great captain in his wars. A wraith, the Witch-king of Angmar was nearly indestructible, a terrible warrior, and a cunning strategist. As predicted by [[Glorfindel]] he fell by the hand of a woman, [[Éowyn]], in the [[Battle of the Pelennor Fields]] and his death marked the beginn of Sauron's downfall.
 
It's taken from the article for the greatest part but I added the last sentence about his fall.  - [[User:Eldarion Telcontar|Eldarion Telcontar]] 21:08, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 
:Like it. I really had one wish: that it included Glorfindel and Eowyn. I am going to change that date around, though. And properly credit the image ;P -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:42, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


==Re:Songs==
== Spam ==
I will consider it. And thank you for the "poem" installation, i didn't knew it existed. As for Khazad-Dum, It is spelled so in Summoning's CD. However, I've added the line (-). Originally it is written "Khazad Dúm" <br>[[User:Mthomas|mthomas]] 07:53, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


:Then I'll move it to ''[[Khazad Dúm (song)]]'' for consistency. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 08:52, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't know if you or Morgan already contacted Hyarion, but I've just emailed him about today's spam influx.--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 17:23, 1 February 2014 (UTC)


== New Articles for Battle for Middle-earth 2 ==
:I completely forgot to do that. I was too busy having flashbacks to a couple of years back. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 17:32, 1 February 2014 (UTC)


May i have permission to create several articles about Battle for Middle-earth 2? For Example, "Dwarves in  BFME2", that analyse the Dwarven force, and its accuracy in Tolkien's writings or its differece from it. Another example is "Maps of BFME2" that states and describes every map in the game and if it has differences from the original one (Forlindon in the game-Forlindon in Tolkien's writings). - [[User:Mthomas|mthomas]] 16:26, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks for all your effort to undo the mess guys, and thanks for the e-mail KA. For the time being I've just shut off new account creation until we implement a stricter process. Although I'm having a hard time thinking of something stricter, manual approval wouldn't even work since it would be sometimes difficult to differentiate solely based on the username.  --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 17:44, 1 February 2014 (UTC)


:Nope. That's for a section "Portrayal in adaptations" in [[Dwarves]] proper, [[Forlindon]], or maybe a section "Differences from the books" in BFME2, detailing changes in geography. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:31, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
:::You may be aware that I am pretty much computer-less at the moment (temporarily boring a PC right now). The way to fix this, Hyarion, is to change the CAPTCHA questions in LocalSettings.php. That will stop them until they figure out an answer. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:54, 2 February 2014 (UTC)


=="Grelvish"==
== List of Book that inspired Tolkien ==
The phrase on my user page was designed to frustrate you, but I deemed it dumb and therefore took it off my user page. It said, roughly, "This is designed to frustrate you, It uses both Sindarin and Quenya, Use it to frustrate others." However, I took it off  because nobody will take the time to translate it. [[User:LotRfan01|LotRfan01]] 00:16, 27 April 2009 (UTC)


:I actually took some time, but gave up when nothing made sense. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 15:48, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
It is difficult to put link sources when I just created the page and was  begining to edit including informations, and you delete the page... Be more pacient. Otherwise it will be hard to help this wiki. {{unsigned|Sigurd }}


== Multiple language words ==


If they are unrelated languages, I separate them with ----. Related identical words like [[aran]] are commented together. I still struggle with an easy readable layout [[User:Sage|Sage]] 11:38, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:Couple of things:
* Add new messages at the ''bottom'' of the talk page. They go in chronological order from old to new.
* The entire concept is vague. "Books that inspired Tolkien"? Inspired him on what? To write a book? To become a philologist? To write an alternate mythology for England? To write a specific element?
* As I said, sources. The only source you list is a summary of his personal library, without explaining how this book being in his library inspired him. Unless you have a specific sources that explicitly says Book X inspired him to do action Y, it's just speculation.
* No content other than a list. The introduction is essentially "Books that have inspired Tolkien are books that have inspired Tolkien".
* Basic layout and spelling. That's something that you should do before saving the page.  
:As this is a vague and slippery slope (just as our existing train wreck [[Inspirations]] is), it adds nothing at the moment. Without addressing all these points (apart from the first, naturally), I see no point in having it. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 13:38, 1 March 2014 (UTC)


:I was thinking sort of a wiktionary approach, is that a good idea? (Aran needs cleanup, btw). -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 11:42, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:Couple of things:
* Whatever. If you see the message works.
*  To put links, sources and more informations need time to included.
* I was working in that page and adding all informations. But is Impossible to do this when someone came and deleted the page... minutes after I began to write.
* So I think you have to whait some time before going to deleted a page. That is not the first time that you dont have paciense.{{unsigned|Sigurd}}


==Calendar==
::While you're putting the page together you can use [[User:Sigurd/Sandbox|a sandbox in your user area]].--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 16:37, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
As I'm working on the events in Arda I have created a Google Calendar in order to keep track of the many events in different years. I inserted the events between April 2009 and March 2010 (unfortunately Google doesn't offer a Shire Calendar^^) and included the year in the description (e.g. "3021 - Samwise returns to Bag End").
Here comes the [http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=uoi3d4kjdk8cf158golqj0up80%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=Europe/Berlin&pvttk=18c51903aa73206be377be6aaf5ea5bc address].
I think that it could prevent us from losing track, couldn't it? :)
-- [[User:Eldarion Telcontar|Eldarion Telcontar]] 21:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


:That's a good one. It certainly helps you keep track of everything. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:45, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
== Battle of the Five Armies ==


== Decipher Cards ==
I'd just come on to change all the links - I'm glad you beat me to it! Thank you! --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 19:17, 24 April 2014 (UTC)


yes. you can see it [http://lotrtcgdb.com/pages/LOTR17006.html here.]
== Song_of_the_Lonely_Mountain (Talk_Page) ==


Oh, and i have a collection of Gimli's cards (around 20) each one with different attributes and names (Gimli-Lord of the Glittering Caves/Gimli-Faithful Companion for example). Shall i upload them? (In the To-do-list is written that every Decipher card shall be uploaded. If so, we can take them form [http://lotrtcgdb.com// here.] [[User:Mthomas|mthomas]] 11:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Hello.<br>Please forgive me, I really made a mistake: the confusion occured.So, in this time, could you help me, where can I publish my translation? On the forum?<br>(From Pnompen)


:Okay, didn't know Thorin III had one. But Fror and Farin are NOT the characters from the Appendices, so I've removed those pictures from the articles. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 11:47, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:We're not really the right place for fan translations. Also, what would it help? None of us here knows Russian. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 15:45, 7 June 2014 (UTC)


::ok. and what about the other cards? [[User:Mthomas|mthomas]] 11:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
== Copyright Violation ==


:::Well, a scaled down version of the full card can be done? We do need a Fairuse-Decipher template for it, though. They're apparently (c) by NLP (New Line?), TE (Tolkien Enterprises) and Decipher. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 11:50, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
May I ask why the images I uploaded are copyright violations? I personally asked the artist through deviantART. I asked through a note, so I can send you a printscreen or something. She told me that she does not mind as long as she is credited and it is not for profit. I also asked for these three specific images. --[[User:Sandy|Sandy]] 15:08, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
::::What do you mean by "scaled down"? we can place it as a card or only the image. the images resolution is 350x400.[[User:Mthomas|mthomas]] 11:52, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


:::::I thought of uploading the images scaled down to about 75%. But since several other sites have them at 100%, I don't think it will be much of a problem fair use-wise. I think it's a better idea to categorize the decipher cards under their image set, rahter than [[:Category:Images of Decipher Cards showing Gimli|what characters are included]]. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 12:22, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:I explained what you needed to add on your message wall. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 15:14, 19 July 2014 (UTC)


::::::intersting. let me know if you have ideas of sub categorizing. If you want to upload images, i've given you the link.[[User:Mthomas|mthomas]] 12:26, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
::If you mean my Discussion page nothing new has showed up. If you mean another message wall then I have no idea what it is. Sorry :( --[[User:Sandy|Sandy]] 15:28, 19 July 2014 (UTC)


:::::::Well, look at [[Decipher_Card#Products|here]]. If we categorize them as "Category: Images from Reflections" or something (maybe "Images from Reflections (Decipher cards)"?), that way we can make the individual set pages redirects to the category. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 12:30, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:::My bad i just saw it. Thanks for the info! --[[User:Sandy|Sandy]] 15:29, 19 July 2014 (UTC)


:::::::Good. I'll try to contribute.[[User:Mthomas|mthomas]] 12:42, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I know, I have spammed you extensively today, and I'm sorry for that. I just want to be sure that this won't happen again. So, I created the page with the permission; Am I allowed to upload them now? And if so, in the template where it says "Permission for use on Tolkien Gateway" will it be automatically linked to the page I created or do I need to do something extra? Thanks again!--[[User:Sandy|Sandy]] 15:53, 19 July 2014 (UTC)


==Disclaimer==
:You need to add the template like you used to, but instead of DeviantArt, write Kimberly. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:15, 19 July 2014 (UTC)


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== Hi ==


:Thanks. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 13:03, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
Sorry for trying to help with info.  I wont help anymore.  I dont know what you mean by "primary source".

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Spam
Latest comment: 2 February 20144 comments4 people in discussion

I don't know if you or Morgan already contacted Hyarion, but I've just emailed him about today's spam influx.-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  17:23, 1 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I completely forgot to do that. I was too busy having flashbacks to a couple of years back. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 17:32, 1 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for all your effort to undo the mess guys, and thanks for the e-mail KA. For the time being I've just shut off new account creation until we implement a stricter process. Although I'm having a hard time thinking of something stricter, manual approval wouldn't even work since it would be sometimes difficult to differentiate solely based on the username. --Hyarion 17:44, 1 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You may be aware that I am pretty much computer-less at the moment (temporarily boring a PC right now). The way to fix this, Hyarion, is to change the CAPTCHA questions in LocalSettings.php. That will stop them until they figure out an answer. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 10:54, 2 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

List of Book that inspired Tolkien
Latest comment: 1 March 20142 comments2 people in discussion

It is difficult to put link sources when I just created the page and was begining to edit including informations, and you delete the page... Be more pacient. Otherwise it will be hard to help this wiki. —Unsigned comment by Sigurd (talk • contribs).


Couple of things:
  • Add new messages at the bottom of the talk page. They go in chronological order from old to new.
  • The entire concept is vague. "Books that inspired Tolkien"? Inspired him on what? To write a book? To become a philologist? To write an alternate mythology for England? To write a specific element?
  • As I said, sources. The only source you list is a summary of his personal library, without explaining how this book being in his library inspired him. Unless you have a specific sources that explicitly says Book X inspired him to do action Y, it's just speculation.
  • No content other than a list. The introduction is essentially "Books that have inspired Tolkien are books that have inspired Tolkien".
  • Basic layout and spelling. That's something that you should do before saving the page.
As this is a vague and slippery slope (just as our existing train wreck Inspirations is), it adds nothing at the moment. Without addressing all these points (apart from the first, naturally), I see no point in having it. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 13:38, 1 March 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Couple of things:
  • Whatever. If you see the message works.
  • To put links, sources and more informations need time to included.
  • I was working in that page and adding all informations. But is Impossible to do this when someone came and deleted the page... minutes after I began to write.
  • So I think you have to whait some time before going to deleted a page. That is not the first time that you dont have paciense.—Unsigned comment by Sigurd (talk • contribs).
While you're putting the page together you can use a sandbox in your user area.-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  16:37, 1 March 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Battle of the Five Armies
Latest comment: 24 April 20141 comment1 person in discussion

I'd just come on to change all the links - I'm glad you beat me to it! Thank you! -- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  19:17, 24 April 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Song_of_the_Lonely_Mountain (Talk_Page)
Latest comment: 7 June 20141 comment1 person in discussion

Hello.
Please forgive me, I really made a mistake: the confusion occured.So, in this time, could you help me, where can I publish my translation? On the forum?
(From Pnompen)

We're not really the right place for fan translations. Also, what would it help? None of us here knows Russian. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 15:45, 7 June 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Copyright Violation
Latest comment: 19 July 20146 comments2 people in discussion

May I ask why the images I uploaded are copyright violations? I personally asked the artist through deviantART. I asked through a note, so I can send you a printscreen or something. She told me that she does not mind as long as she is credited and it is not for profit. I also asked for these three specific images. --Sandy 15:08, 19 July 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I explained what you needed to add on your message wall. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 15:14, 19 July 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If you mean my Discussion page nothing new has showed up. If you mean another message wall then I have no idea what it is. Sorry :( --Sandy 15:28, 19 July 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
My bad i just saw it. Thanks for the info! --Sandy 15:29, 19 July 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I know, I have spammed you extensively today, and I'm sorry for that. I just want to be sure that this won't happen again. So, I created the page with the permission; Am I allowed to upload them now? And if so, in the template where it says "Permission for use on Tolkien Gateway" will it be automatically linked to the page I created or do I need to do something extra? Thanks again!--Sandy 15:53, 19 July 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You need to add the template like you used to, but instead of DeviantArt, write Kimberly. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 16:15, 19 July 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi

Sorry for trying to help with info. I wont help anymore. I dont know what you mean by "primary source".

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