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== My Bot ==
== Spam ==


Hi Ederchil, is it possible you could add [[User:Mithbot]] to the [[Special:ListUsers&group=bot|bot usergroup]] (no idea why that's a  redlinks: it works for me) so I can do some menial and boring tasks quickly? Thanks, --{{User:Mith/sig}} 19:50, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
I don't know if you or Morgan already contacted Hyarion, but I've just emailed him about today's spam influx.--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 17:23, 1 February 2014 (UTC)


:I'm only a sysop, not a [[wikipedia:WP:BUR|bureaucrat]], so I can't change user group rights. You could PM or email Hyarion for this. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:50, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
:I completely forgot to do that. I was too busy having flashbacks to a couple of years back. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 17:32, 1 February 2014 (UTC)


::Oh, OK, I thought you were (wishful thinking!). Thanks anyway! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 21:57, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks for all your effort to undo the mess guys, and thanks for the e-mail KA. For the time being I've just shut off new account creation until we implement a stricter process. Although I'm having a hard time thinking of something stricter, manual approval wouldn't even work since it would be sometimes difficult to differentiate solely based on the username. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 17:44, 1 February 2014 (UTC)


:::Actually, I thought I was too :) -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 22:21, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
:::You may be aware that I am pretty much computer-less at the moment (temporarily boring a PC right now). The way to fix this, Hyarion, is to change the CAPTCHA questions in LocalSettings.php. That will stop them until they figure out an answer. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:54, 2 February 2014 (UTC)


== Main page spelling mistake ==
== List of Book that inspired Tolkien ==


Hello - while using this wiki, I noticed that main page's featured article has a spelling mistake. It should be '''borne''' not ''born'' in the sentence "Glamdring was the sword once born by Turgon, King of Gondolin." I can't edit the page! :) [[User:Darth Newdar|Darth Newdar]] 17:27, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
It is difficult to put link sources when I just created the page and was begining to edit including informations, and you delete the page... Be more pacient. Otherwise it will be hard to help this wiki. {{unsigned|Sigurd }}


:Thank you. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:40, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


== The Peril to the Shire page ==
:Couple of things:
* Add new messages at the ''bottom'' of the talk page. They go in chronological order from old to new.
* The entire concept is vague. "Books that inspired Tolkien"? Inspired him on what? To write a book? To become a philologist? To write an alternate mythology for England? To write a specific element?
* As I said, sources. The only source you list is a summary of his personal library, without explaining how this book being in his library inspired him. Unless you have a specific sources that explicitly says Book X inspired him to do action Y, it's just speculation.
* No content other than a list. The introduction is essentially "Books that have inspired Tolkien are books that have inspired Tolkien".
* Basic layout and spelling. That's something that you should do before saving the page.
:As this is a vague and slippery slope (just as our existing train wreck [[Inspirations]] is), it adds nothing at the moment. Without addressing all these points (apart from the first, naturally), I see no point in having it. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 13:38, 1 March 2014 (UTC)


Just wanted to know why you keep editing the page I'm building on "The Peril to the Shire". I worked rather hard on it, yet you keep re-arranging and deleting stuff. It would be nice if you asked first, or at least let me know what you are up to.
:Couple of things:
* Whatever. If you see the message works.
*  To put links, sources and more informations need time to included.
* I was working in that page and adding all informations. But is Impossible to do this when someone came and deleted the page... minutes after I began to write.
* So I think you have to whait some time before going to deleted a page. That is not the first time that you dont have paciense.{{unsigned|Sigurd}}


Doug Dunklin, producer/director of "The Peril to the Shire"
::While you're putting the page together you can use [[User:Sigurd/Sandbox|a sandbox in your user area]].--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 16:37, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
"[[User:Ltcdunk|Ltcdunk]] 20:29, 19 January 2010 (UTC)"


:I figured you were involved in production. First of all, thank you for contributing.
== Battle of the Five Armies ==


:I basically rearranged a lot to make it fit our [[TG:MOS|Manual of Style]] and deleted a lot because it was (in my eyes) repetition. Also, a lot of text in long sentences does not improve readability, and detracts attention from your own website (we don't want to be ''too'' complete now, do we?). --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:04, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
I'd just come on to change all the links - I'm glad you beat me to it! Thank you! --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 19:17, 24 April 2014 (UTC)


== An image page won't load ==
== Song_of_the_Lonely_Mountain (Talk_Page) ==
I was trying to load the entry page for [[:Image:Middle-earth (large).jpg]], and all I get from the server is an empty page.  I reloaded repeatedly, and I still get an empty page.  I tried other images in [[:Category:Non-canon maps|the category I found it in]], and many other pages load fine.  But this page won't.  A couple others won't too&mdash;I suspect that the large file size may have something to do with it, but that's just a guess.  Maybe the server is failing to generate a thumbnail for images that size?  I just don't know. - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 17:07, 25 January 2010 (UTC)


:I'm not really having trouble with the image itself, but I think you're referring to [[MERP: Middle-earth Role Playing Poster Maps]], the page on which it is embedded. I have the same issue. I managed to sneak into the history via [[User:Morgan|Morgan]]'s contributions and removed the image (resizing it gave problems again). -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:50, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Hello.<br>Please forgive me, I really made a mistake: the confusion occured.So, in this time, could you help me, where can I publish my translation? On the forum?<br>(From Pnompen)


Now an entire ''category'' page won't load, and I didn't exactly embed images into the page body either. o.o [[:Category:Maps of Minas Tirith]].  It displayed mostly alright after I created it, but now the category page is just a white blank, like some of the image pages.  Is it possible that MediaWiki or one of its backend programs is running out of memory? Or another kind of error?  How do we fix this kind of thing? - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 09:32, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:We're not really the right place for fan translations. Also, what would it help? None of us here knows Russian. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 15:45, 7 June 2014 (UTC)


:Apparently a new image problem, "Error creating thumbnail: Invalid thumbnail parameters". Don't know about the category. i'll see if I can email Hyarion about this. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 14:24, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
== Copyright Violation ==


::I've seen that problem before, on Wikia. The problem is, an image has too many millions of pixels to buffer into memory to create a thumbnail.  It doesn't matter if the file itself is small&mdash;if it has very large dimensions, the thumbnail backend software runs out of memory trying to generate a thumbnail for it. This can be fixed by increasing the amount of memory it's permitted to allocate, if that is possible.  I've been thinking that memory increase may greatly benefit the particular Tolkien interest that involves very highly-detailed maps, as Tolkien is full of those.  Either that or we split up some of the largest images into multiple segmented image files.  That'll be easy for PNGs, but not for JPEGs. Recently I uploaded some very large maps, including one of Middle-earth (Role-playing Game canon, I think), and another absolutely gorgeous non-canon map of Minas Tirith (which may have been involved in making that category page show blank).  It would be a shame if those couldn't be displayed. - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 14:53, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
May I ask why the images I uploaded are copyright violations? I personally asked the artist through deviantART. I asked through a note, so I can send you a printscreen or something. She told me that she does not mind as long as she is credited and it is not for profit. I also asked for these three specific images. --[[User:Sandy|Sandy]] 15:08, 19 July 2014 (UTC)


[[:Image:Minas Anor 2000.jpg‎]] is the new Minas Tirith map I uploaded.  (It's fantastic, don't you think?)  It's the only Minas Tirith image of the new maps I recently uploaded, and it almost certainly is related to the page [[:Category:Maps of Minas Tirith]] showing blank now.<br/>
:I explained what you needed to add on your message wall. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 15:14, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
Honestly, Tolkien wiki has hundreds of wonderful maps, and it would be in our interests to be able to display all of them, even the very large files or the images of very large dimensions. - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 15:01, 31 January 2010 (UTC)


==Anna Lee==
::If you mean my Discussion page nothing new has showed up. If you mean another message wall then I have no idea what it is. Sorry :( --[[User:Sandy|Sandy]] 15:28, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
Sorry about the peacock-term "beautiful". - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 15:10, 27 January 2010 (UTC)


:No problem. Though I do agree, it's just not encyclopedic. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:26, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:::My bad i just saw it. Thanks for the info! --[[User:Sandy|Sandy]] 15:29, 19 July 2014 (UTC)


== On the future of dictionary-style entries ==
::::I know, I have spammed you extensively today, and I'm sorry for that. I just want to be sure that this won't happen again. So, I created the page with the permission; Am I allowed to upload them now? And if so, in the template where it says "Permission for use on Tolkien Gateway" will it be automatically linked to the page I created or do I need to do something extra? Thanks again!--[[User:Sandy|Sandy]] 15:53, 19 July 2014 (UTC)


There has been a recent heavy debate on this at [[Forum:Quenya declension template appearance]].  Since you have weighed on this before, could you weigh in now?  I originally went ahead with this project after asking about it, and you seemed to approve.  To be honest, my concern is mainly linguistic and grammatical, and I didn't want to get so involved in a debate about whether linguistics on this wiki are at all even noteworthy. - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 01:35, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
:You need to add the template like you used to, but instead of DeviantArt, write Kimberly. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:15, 19 July 2014 (UTC)


:Sorry, my attention tends to drop away with long paragraphs and no images :), so I didn't respond. Will do now. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 13:54, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
== Hi ==


::Thank you for your feedbackYou always seem like a gentle voice of wisdom here and I appreciate it. - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 18:11, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
Sorry for trying to help with info.  I wont help anymore.  I dont know what you mean by "primary source".


== Withdrawing inflection templates ==
= 2015 =
==Elves infobox==


Considering the highly-controversial and sometimes flame-war-bait nature of trying to fully inflect Tolkien's languages in this wiki, I want to withdraw the entire inflection project.  But I'm not sure how to do it.  I think it would involve deleting all the embedded templates and "Inflection" sections.  But considering the heavy time and energy I put into it all, it may take about as much just to remove them.  I just don't know how to get it done quickly.  But I want to get this all behind me and away from this controversy.  And I swear, swear, ''swear'' that I didn't have a clue about the elvish.org vs. Ardalambion controversies, etc. My primary source of all data was Ardalambion and closely associated sites.  I didn't know there was such a heated holy war involved in the issue.  I think I would generally agree with Ardalambion (elvish.org's FAQs sound really stuck-up to my inner anti-copyright liberal socialistic streak), but I don't want to be on the front lines of this&mdash;I don't want to be confrontational, not on purpose.  I'd rather practice the fan-standardized aspects of the languages in my private user pages or other informal venues, and only practice harder data in the articles.  Ederchil, please help me. Are there any more powerful wiki tools (bots, etc.) we can use to clean this up?  I have to make this right. - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 05:12, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
: Yes, you are right about the Longbeards. After all, most of the Dwarven characters in the legendarium are Longbeards.


:It's a pity, because you've certainly put lots of time in the process. But you could blame us in a way; we should've responded earlier.
To return to the topic...As you have no doubt already seen that I created the template for the generic Elven infobox, I think some of the characters from the legendarium should be put under that template: for example: Imin, Tata, Enel and their spouses and many other Elven characters who's nationality isn't determined by any of the writings.
:We do have bots, though I fear this kind of job would have to be done by hand. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 08:15, 17 February 2010 (UTC)


::Ouch.  Well, at least they're all marked with "inflection" (an easily searchable word), and the templates are currently hidden from display (but near "inflection" making them easy to edit).  I suppose this is a job that could be done gradually over time...if everyone pitched in, I mean.  It's just...well...I want to get past the issue, very much so.  I want to get past potential future forum postings of "what are all these invisible templates and why are they all over the place"?  I cringe thinking of that. And I feel like having a wikistress attack when I search "inflection" and see hundreds of results that are all my work. I wish there were an easier way through this. - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 09:21, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Celeborn would be a good candidate for such a template and few other major characters who have ambiguous histories...
[[User:Woolly Mammoth|Woolly Mammoth]] 17:08, 21 May 2015 (UTC)


I just removed one search page's worth.  About 19 or 20.  And then I clicked "500", and it refreshed the first page, and...there are ''more'' than 500.  How on earth did I embed so many in seemingly such a short time?  I've ruined your wiki. :( - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 09:58, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
:: Also, please do me a favor and delete the article "Morwë and Nurwë" considering they have no more use on the site.
[[User:Woolly Mammoth|Woolly Mammoth]] 17:11, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
::Yeah, a generic/unclear Elf template is a good idea. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 17:11, 21 May 2015 (UTC)


:It's not mine, so it's okay :). I'll see if I can do some of them. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 10:13, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
==Woolly Mammoth, the Nuisance everlasting==
:: To [[User:Ederchil]] and [[User:Mith]] - wouldn't it be much easier for you to unblock me than to constantly tidy up my "mess" - I have much to contribute to this wiki - and, as I said before, I SINCERELY apologize for any insult made to any of you, especially to [[User:Mith]]. From a more practical perspective, it would be good for you to unblock me - of course, if you do not want to clear up the mess that will be gathering in the following years - I am not a madman - I simply feel insulted by your behavior - I would like to edit this wiki - as I no doubt showed before - and it would be to your well-being (and to the well-being of this site) if I would continue editing this Wiki without any further hindrance. As for the images that I uploaded - I have proof that the permission was granted - although I have not been able to present the evidence to you - but if you unblock me I will - the visual representation of [[Tolkien]]'s works is to me, at least, an important aspect of his work. That is the reason I am hellbent on including the images, and I spend a lot of time on DevinatArt searching for Tolkien related art, and I am in good relation to other members of that community. This is all for me at the time - and I hope you will reconsider the ban.


::I know you don't ''own'' it, but you are a sysadmin.  It's practically yours.  You have so much work to do here as it is, and I'm certainly no help.  I mean, I do...maybe...IPA, categories, userboxes, navboxes...  ...oh.  Well, I guess I've done ''something''.  And then I filled half the wiki with controversial inflections.  I have this feeling like I'm a small child who's been caught covering the walls of an entire house with crayon.  This all would be hilarious if it weren't all so...inconveniencing to people. XD - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 10:34, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Respectfully - Woolly Mammoth! [[User:Laurentus|Laurentus]] 20:48, 14 September 2015 (UTC)


I've removed some more inflections (a few dozen, maybe), and now there are less than 500 articles with the word "inflection" in them. I've been working from the opposite end of the search results, so that I wouldn't step on your toes in case you were working from the top of the list. - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 21:45, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
:It's "Mess" because you're doing exactly the same we told you ''repeatedly'' not to do before. You're blocked. Every time you make a new account, you're evading a block - which is also a blockable offence. You're in the penalty box. You can't just jump back on the ice after putting on a teammate's jersey.
:Quite frankly, your "practical perspective"... that's an insult. Not just to me (or Mith), but to pretty much every moderator on all kinds of wikis and forums, everywhere on the internet. If you don't see that, I really can't help you. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:08, 14 September 2015 (UTC)


:I just want to apologise. I didn't intend for all of these to be removed in their entirety, there was definitely something there worth having, just probably not in its current appearance or scale. Does that make sense? I am sorry, though, you've felt the need to remove the lot.


:If [[User:Mithbot|Mithbot]] had been approved by [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] (where is he?!) I would get it to do all this work on (y)our behalf. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 11:21, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
== Again ME ==
I was just wondering...You are cutting the branch on which you are sitting by consistently blocking my unnumbered profiles. Tell me now...Wouldn't it be easier for you and me to simply unblock me? I have added more "canonical" information to this site than everyone here around.


::Since Hyarion finished school and has a job, he has found himself having less and less time for the internet.
Take for example [[Maedhros]] (which, according to Tolkien's latest use, should be MaeDros) - I have added information which none of your timid fellows has been wont to do.
::I think it's better to do it manually, actually, because it also gives you the opportunity to clean the articles up a bit. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 11:28, 18 February 2010 (UTC)


::It won't be a complete loss.  Once all the templates are removed, someone can go back and make a brief note about Quenya nouns' stem forms and Sindarin nouns' special conditions (like whether a noun that begins with b/d/g mutates like b/d/g or like mb/nd/ng), and also notes regarding Sindarin plurals and Quenya irregular plurals (that may have just been fickle because of Tolkien changing his mind at least once).  Then, if you ''believe'' in regular rules, you can read them and ascertain inflections for yourself.
And by [[User:Mith|Mith]]'s Pythonesque farewell of "fucking off", I wonder if you, my dear "administrators", hold any supremacy over my "uncivil" behaviour. In the end, I altogether guessed rightly that most of you are, indeed, assholes (or at least you have buried your head in it).
::Anyway, Mith, I'm also sorry for grating on your nerves before.  You can read my final explanation on my chronically abnormal way of communication at the forum post where we did most of our talking. I'm always going to be very strange to talk to, and I don't want you grated or anything (I never did in the first place), but I'm hoping you can at least acclimate to it and see my good faith, even if most times I have no common sense.
::And if you need your bot approved, and Hyarion is not available to provide approval, then does anyone (perhaps Ederchil) have the authority to (at least tentatively) approve it? - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 18:49, 18 February 2010 (UTC)


:::Nope. I'm not a bureaucrat. See above. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:37, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
Yours truly...dear Woolly Mammmoth ;).


::::Mith, you don't ''have'' to have your bot user made into an official bot for it to work; the only thing it will do is hide the bot's edits from the recent changes page - so if the other  contributors don't mind it clogging up the recent changes page, I'm sure you could use it. ;) --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 11:34, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
:Your arrogance is truly mindboggling. You were blocked. This ban evasion is also a blockable offense. No matter the quality of your edits, you won't be unblocked.
:You're sent to the penalty box. You can't put on a teammate's jersey and get back on the ice. Just because you score a lot of goals doesn't mean that's suddenly okay. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 07:59, 6 October 2015 (UTC)


== MediaWiki memory limit ==
== Tim Burton article ==


I read on various MediaWiki support sites that the reason categories and image pages with very large images (in file size or dimensions) show a blank page is because of a PHP error caused by running out of memory. Since Tolkien Gateway is never going to have a shortage of highly-detailed high-resolution maps, is it possible we could ask Hyarion to increase the wiki's memory limit?  Perhaps to 64MB or more? - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 05:18, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Why was it deleted? Tim Burton actually DID work on the 1978 Lord of the Rings film. Sure, he wasn't that famous at the time, but he still did artwork for it. We've got articles for fan films, so I don't see why we couldn't have an article for someone that worked on an official adaptation, however minor the involvement was. It just seems like disrepect to ignore the humble beginnings of such a well-known filmmaker, especially since a lot of people weren't all too famous until they were involved in adapting Tolkien's work. [[User:EldritchNexus|EldritchNexus]] 15:59, 8 October 2015 (UTC)


:I don't know yet when I'll mail him, but I'll ask him. You can also mail him yourself, of course :). -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 08:46, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
:The only reason he had an article was not because he
worked on LotR, but because he did other, more famous stuff later. We wouldn't have articles on other artists on the movie either. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:10, 8 October 2015 (UTC)


::I didn't know how to contact him. Besides, he and I have never been acquainted in a wiki-working interaction. I'd be a stranger who was feature-begging. - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 20:55, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
::So what? We have separate articles for regional translators and for the Inklings, even the ones that probably never even LOOKED at one of Tolkien's books. We even have articles for artists that worked on the Peter Jackson movies and the other two animated films. What makes the 1978 film the exception? If the article seemed like it was just advertising Tim Burton's other stuff, then how about rewriting it so that it seemed more relevant to Tolkien instead of just deleting it? It's like throwing away a perfectly good pizza just because it had an extra topping you didn't want. [[User:EldritchNexus|EldritchNexus]] 16:15, 8 October 2015 (UTC)


:::I have so much free time now (a cold took my voice away and a sprained ankle) that I keep forgetting to mail him. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 22:19, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
:::I would argue it's throwing out a pizza because we're a pie shop. The problem is, there isn't much. What exactly did he work on? --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:34, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
::::Well, Tim Burton was uncredited for his work, but it was one of the first movies he ever worked on, so it's to be expected. He was mostly an "inbetween" artist, so I guess that means he did some miscellaneous artwork. Couldn't tell you which ones were all his, though. Also, in response to that "pie shop" analogy, I'd like to remind you that"pizza pies" are a thing.[[User:EldritchNexus|EldritchNexus]] 17:05, 8 October 2015 (UTC)


== Main Page ==
--> Okay, here's a compromise: Have the Tim Burton article on this site, but keep it simple, so that it doesn't delve too deeply into his post-LOTR career. Something like:


Hi, could you make another article the next improvement drive article? I think [[Barad-dûr]] has improved quite much and although the "Portrayal in adaptations" section lacks some information about the earlier films I think that we should take the next article on the Main Page. What do you think?
:"'''Tim Burton''' (born on August 25th, 1958) is an American filmmaker. He made his film debut in 1978, as an artist for [[Ralph Bakshi]]'s animated film adaptation of ''[[The Lord of the Rings (1978 film)|The Lord of the Rings]]''. He mostly worked on miscellaneous artwork as an "in-between" artist and thus largely remained uncredited for specific pieces."
A few suggestions: [[Angband]], [[Battle of Dagorlad]], [[Bywater]], [[Dale]], [[Glaurung]], [[Peter Jackson]], [[Mount Doom]], [[Treebeard]], [[Tuor]] -- [[User:Eldarion Telcontar|Eldarion Telcontar]] 23:23, 6 March 2010 (UTC)


:I've been meaning to do the Adaptations section but I keep forgetting. Since I only now realize I'm already already half an hour into Sunday, let me just say I'll do it this afternoon.
:What do you think? [[User:EldritchNexus|EldritchNexus]] 19:49, 18 October 2015 (UTC)


:As for the new one, my vote's for [[Tuor]]. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 23:27, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
::Not sure on the use of "miscellaneous artwork". In-between artists also needs no quotation marks, it's a normal job description - they're the people who make the animation fluid by creating the art that's in between the rougher, preliminary animation. The finishing touches. It'd be nice to know what scenes he worked on, if that could be found at all. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:35, 18 October 2015 (UTC)


::I was just about to suggest Tuor! Great minds... --{{User:Mith/sig}} 00:13, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
== Template:VT2 ==


:::Great! Then let's take Tuor. -- [[User:Eldarion Telcontar|Eldarion Telcontar]] 08:49, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
What's happening with {{redlink|[[Template:VT2]]}}? Is it useful? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 12:54, 8 November 2015 (UTC)


:I'm not sure what my intentions with it were, but it looks like Template:VT covers the same things, so we can probably do without. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 12:57, 8 November 2015 (UTC)


== Games ==
::Done. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 13:17, 8 November 2015 (UTC)


hey
== Vunasti Mamut ==


Ringen is a LOTR-game. So maybe the link has to stay on the games-year article.
Hello! Ederchil! Despite all my mistakes and insults...I truly regret that...Listen up! T is my favorite badass vilaine! I have spent a shitload of time trying to escape from the inevitable killing machine


--[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 17:13, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
== Explanation ==


:Already reverted it. I'm busy cleaning everything up. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 17:14, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
Do you think I am a liar(that I am lying to you) or I make some kind of a joke about Bolg? In '''One Wiki to Rule Them All''' wiki  and in Wikipedia pages about Bolg and the Hobbit film trilogy it is never said that Bolg participated in the Battle of Azanulbizar.Moreover, in the One Wiki to Rule Them All wiki about Unamed Orc Brute it is said that Bolg and this Unamed Orc Brute are separate characters.Also you can check it and in Bolg page on IMDB. So that is why I am asking you to change the page on [[The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey]] about Bolg.See: Cast
:: okay, I'm adding the game called Shadowfax here. --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 17:15, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


== .mp3 ==
You believe me that I am not liar or I that this is not some kind of joke? {{Unsigned|2.86.255.196}}


How can you upload .mp3, because I tried to upload a mp3-file and didn't work, it said it was the wrong file.
:You're neither a liar nor a joker. You're simply incorrect. Those three sources you list are, like us, third party sources. We included sources that he was initially cast as Azog, before being recast as Bolg. I'd have to check, but BalrogTrainer mentions he appears in the credits as Bolg. Nowhere was he credited as Gundabad Orc or Unnamed Orc Brute. You're removed two primary sources, and offered none in return. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 11:33, 27 November 2015 (UTC)


En zou de grootte van het bestand kunnen verhoogd, voor een dag ofzo. Dan kan ik een paar liedjes van Blind Guardian uploaden zodat ze gelijk te beluisteren zijn. --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 14:00, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Am I disturbing you?BalrogTrainer is right. If you see at the end credits of the First Hobbit film you will find that Conan Stevens is credited as Bolg.This is wrong because  in the next two movies Conan Stevens is not credited as Bolg. This mistake the filmmakers should see and fix it.Why didnt they fix it? Do you know any way to contact with the filmakers in order to mention this mistake and correct it? Or anyone else WHO knows about these matters? {{Unsigned|2.86.255.196}}


:Hele liedjes is geen fair use. .ogg en .mp3 zouden gewoon moeten werken - er staan er al [[:Category:Pronunciations|heel wat op de wiki]]. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 14:10, 29 March 2010 (UTC)


== My Source ==
:We don't know why they changed it. But the fact remains: he was credited as Bolg (I checked it myself in the mean time). So we list him as Bolg. No reason to list him as anything else. I don't think it was ever fully explained why he was recast. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:22, 2 December 2015 (UTC)


Ok, you recently sent me a message explaining why you ''deleted'' (not very grateful about that) the pages I wrote.
No no no.I am asking you if you know how to contact with the filmakers of the Hobbit film trilogy in order to correct this mistake in the end credits of the First Hobbit film or if you know anyone else WHO is expert on that matters. {{Unsigned|2.86.255.196}}


Well, my source is a book I checked out a few weeks ago (before I discovered this site) called something like "Tolkien's World". It explained the history of Arda, but was not writen by any member of the Tolkien family, but by a close "associate", so I don't know how accurate it is.


The pages I wrote is based on a series of maps within the books, the first being a ''complete'' map of Arda, witch was divided into four continents: Aman, Hyarmenor, Middle-Earth and Eastland. Middle-Earth was inturn divided into Endor (the northern half) and Harad (the southern half).
:Try looking for contact details of MGM or New Line Cinema. However, it wasn't a mistake at the time the movie was released. That was still Bolg back then. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:42, 2 December 2015 (UTC)


After that map, there were five more maps - one of Aman, Hyarmenor, Eastland, Endor and Harad. The map of Endor realy grabbed my attention, because is showed the region of Middle-Earth (in detail!) east of Rhûn. Apparently, Rhûn goes on untill the Red Mountains (labelled "Orocarni") and an unnamed river that flows north-south from there down into the Enegaer (Inner Sea - can not believe that this site does not name it). This region is labelled "Rómen" (with "The East Lands" writen below in brackets - should not be confused with the ''continent'' "Eastland"). The region of Rohan, Rhûn and Rhovanion (everything between the Misty (I think) and Red Mountains) is labeled "Central Endor".
== Peter Jackson cameo appearence in [[The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies]] ==


The map also names the north most region "Formenor" with "The Northern Waste" writen below in brackets (like with Rómen - this probably implies that the region has an alternative name).
Peter Jackson appears uncredited in ''[[The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies]]''.He makes a cameo appearence at the end of the third Hobbit film in the painting of Bungo Baggins in case you dont know it.This painting can be seen in the final scene at the Bag End when Bilbo (Martin Freeman) returns home.You can check it on IMDB page about Peter Jackson and in Wikipedia page about Peter Jackson. {{unsigned|2.86.255.196}}


After looking around in Google images, I managed to find a version of the full map of Arda, though it is coloured differently and is labeled unlike in the book:
:The picture was based on Jackson's face. In fact, that was used back in LotR as well. See our page on [[Bungo Baggins]]. It shouldn't be on PJ's page as a cameo because it's not a physical cameo. Do not add it again. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 17:01, 4 December 2015 (UTC)


[[image:John Ohara - Arda in the Second Age.jpg|right|150px]]
==Lady of the Star-brow==
Middle-Earth is dreadfully mis-labeled, though. The "Formenor", "Endor" and "Harad" labels are correct (though Endor and Harad should be writen larger to show that they are the names of a group of regions). Also, "Hither Lands" wasn't writen there. Instead, "Middle-Earth" was writen in the centre of the continent in large letters.
Thank you so much!  I did not know how to make it redirect.  I appreciate that.  ^_^ Do you know how to change titles on a page?  For example, changing the [[Second Kinslaying]] to just Second Kinlaying?  --[[User:Elf-esteem|Elf-esteem]] 17:20, 6 December 2015 (UTC)


Everything else is basically exactly as shown on the map in the book. I was unable to find the exact map or the detailed maps of the conitinents.
:There's a "move" button, but I've been an admin for so long I don't remember whether this is admin-only or for everyone. Just suggest a move on the talk page. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:05, 6 December 2015 (UTC)


Do you think that counts as a reliable source? -- [[User:Explorer of Arda|Explorer of Arda]] 19:16, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
== [[Talk:The Hobbit (film series)]]/Mistakes  ==


:You're going to have to be a bit more specific - there's at least six books going by the name "[[Tolkien's World (disambiguation)|Tolkien's World]]". I know for a fact that it's not in Helms' book or ''Paintings of Middle-earth''. I haven't read Day's books, but he has a reputation for making stuff up. None of the authors are "close associates" of the Tolkien family. It wouldn't have mattered either way.
look what I have written in [[Talk:The Hobbit (film series)]] about some mistakes.


:The only full World map Tolkien made can be found in "[[The Shaping of Middle-earth]]". It does not contain the names "Formenor" or "Eastland". A quick google search on either term only results in fan fic sites. They're not in the index of ''[[The History of Middle-earth]]'', the ''Reader's Companion'', or the "major" reference works by [[Robert Foster]] and [[J.E.A. Tyler]].  
The of the page [[The Hobbit (film series)]] |the First Hobbit film]] and not about the The Hobbit film Project generally. I added the other two IMDB files about the other two movies but they dont appear on screen genrerally.That is why I have added all three IMDB files at the bottom of the page [[The Hobbit (film series)]]. Why are you insisting on that case? According to the title of the page ''The Hobbit (film series)'', that page talks about the The Hobbit film Project generally.So, that means the page is not only about the First Hobbit film.That is why I removed that IMDB file and I didnt remove the Hobbit Blog page. {{unsigned| 85.72.247.184 }}


:As in terms of reliable, if it's not primary (i.e. by Tolkien himself) it's ''caveat lector''. If it cites a source, double check. If it doesn't, double check anyway. Can't find it? Don't add it. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:35, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
:What you did didn't work because there is only one template parameter - imdb_id. imdb_id1, imdb_id2 and imdb_id3 don't exist in the template, so adding them won't change anything. A link to the first film suffices. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:00, 16 December 2015 (UTC)


::Ah. But I just want to know something. This site doesn't mention the Eastern or Inner Sea (as far as I know of) at all, though they appear in the inacurate map suplied. I know that there are some pages on this site with something at the top that says the page is speculative/inaccurate, so couldn't the pages relating to the above mentioned regions/seas be topped with that? -- [[User:Explorer of Arda|Explorer of Arda]] 19:16, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Yes. I saw it and that is why I removed the IMDB file from the page [[The Hobbit (film series)]] and I didnt remove the Hobbit Blog page from there.Why are you insisting on keeping the IMDB file on [[The Hobbit (film series)]];Look at  External links of [[The Hobbit (film series)]] and see what I have added. {{unsigned| 85.72.247.184 }}


:::I think you mean [[:Template:Noncanon|this template]]. That's for stuff from ''The History of Middle-earth''. Meaning it did come from Tolkien, but he abandoned or revised the concept, or it doesn't fit into later work. Or [[:Template:Fanon|this template]], which concerns wide-spread fanon and unlicensed adaptations. Or [[:template:Adaptation|this one]], for licensed adaptations like movies, games and [[MERP]]. But without the source, I can't tell if it's any of them. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 19:07, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
:The first film suffices. Do not add the others again, that doesn't work. Also, IMDb is spelled with a lower case b. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:28, 16 December 2015 (UTC)


:::P.S. You can sign by typing four tildes: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>
Why are you insisting on adding in Film infobox of the page [[The Hobbit (film series)]] the IMDb file of [[The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey|the First Hobbit film]];It is not reasonable, especially since the fact the the IMDb file of the First Hobbit film alrady exists in the external links of the page [[The Hobbit (film series)]]. Moreover, the other reason is that this IMDb page in Film infobox is only about [[The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey]].That is why I inisist on the fact that this is a mistake. I would suggest you to remove the IMDB file from the Film infobox of The Hobbit (film series). {{unsigned|85.72.247.184}}


::::Yes. That's what I mean.
:It's not a mistake. It's fine as it is now. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:51, 16 December 2015 (UTC)


::::Oh, and thanks for the tip! ^^
You make a great mistake by keeping this file on infobox of the page, for the reasons that I told you. Moreover,someone else has made another mistakes on the same page.In Content '''See also''' of the same page someone has added all The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey tie-in books.I mean these books are mentioned in that content  WHO has added these books and Why;What is the point. These books are also mentioned in the page [[The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey]] and are related only to the First film and not to the Hobbit film project generally.Why doesnt someone remove these tie-in books from that content;It is not reasonable to exist, since that pages is about for the Hobbit film Project '''generally'''.


::::Anyway, do you know if Tolkien ever made a complete map like that? if so, I'd love to see it. For now, I think I'll keep the fanon version of Arda in my own augmented reality of it. -- [[User:Explorer of Arda|Explorer of Arda]] 19:16, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Won't you say something about it;Won't you say your opinion;


:::::The only thing closely resembling a map is a pencil sketch in ''[[The Shaping of Middle-earth]]''. The shapes of the continents are consistent with the map above, but it's a very rough sketch, nowhere near as detailed as the other maps. [[:Image:Arda001.gif|Here it is.]]
== Spam Bots ==


:::::Also, I deleted your image as it turns out it was already uploaded. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 19:26, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Hope everything is going great with you Ederchil! Thanks for blocking those spam bots; just wanted to give you a heads up I changed the new user security questions so hopefully the account creations will subside. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 16:50, 24 January 2016 (UTC)


::::::That's fine. I've allready saved the image to my PC! ^^
:Not much effort. We've had worse. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 17:22, 24 January 2016 (UTC)


::::::As for the pencil-map, I see that it must be from a time quite a while before the third age, since Beleraid is still there, the Sea of Helcar hasn't dried up yet and the Misty Mountains haven't formed yet. Harad, Hyemenor, Eastland and Aman are basically the same, though.
== Explanation ==


::::::You sea the mountain range running north-south east of the Sea of Helcar (the inland sea in the middle of Middle-Earth)? Those are the Red Mountains. East of that (apparently) lies Rómen and west of that lies what is to become the regions of Middle-Earth seen in The Lord of the Rings.
Thank you.Because Tolien Gateway mentions the Awards that were won by the people who worked for the  [[The Lord of the Rings  (film series) ]] , why shouldnt I do the same the thing for the people who worked for [[The Hobbit  (film series)]];


::::::The sea that separates Middle-Earth from Hyemenor (aka The Dark Land) is (apparently) called ''Enegaer'' (the "Inner Sea"), while the sea that separates Middle-Earth and Hyemanor from Eastland (the cresent-shaped continent to the far east) is called the "East Sea".
:No need to explain - that's indeed necessary. We just completely forgot. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:12, 29 January 2016 (UTC)


::::::Say, now that I come to think of it, does this site have pages on how the Misty Mountains were formed? Because (according to the map you provided) there was once a time when they didn't yet exist. -- [[User:Explorer of Arda|Explorer of Arda]] 19:40, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
== Mistake  ==


The Misty Mountains were formed by Morgoth, hoping to delay the Elves on their great march West. That was after Aulë created all the other mountains. The map shows Arda at its creation. No other full world maps exist.  
Mike Mizrahi played Thrain in flasback scene in the [[The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug (extended edition)|Extended Edition]] of ''[[The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug]]''.Specifically he portrayed him in [[The Battle of Azanulbizar]].[[Thomas Robins]] played him in the theatrical version.Specifically he portrayed him in Erebor scene (befor the attack of smaug in Erebor) in ''[[The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey]]''. {{unsigned|85.72.212.188}}


I know where the Orocarni are; it's just that Hyarmenor, Romen and Enegaer are unattested in Tolkien's own work. They're later fabrications by I don't know whom. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 19:44, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
:It might not be wrong, but that was not the reason for reverting it. You added the names without updating the source. That source does not say three people played Thrain. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:17, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
 
:Of course! *Facepalm* I knew that!
 
:Anyway, so Tolkien origionally left those regions unnamed? Did he atleast name the ''seas''? I know he atleast named the Outer and Great Seas, but I want to know if he also named The East and Inner Seas (the "Inner Sea" being Enegaer). -- [[User:Explorer of Arda|Explorer of Arda]] 19:57, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 
::The East Sea is the sea between Harad and the Dark Land. The Sea between the Dark Land and the Walls of the Sun is not named. I can't find any indication that Tolkien came up with "Inner Sea" or "Enegaer". -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:05, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 
:::Ah. Guese the auther of the book I read (aswell as the map) realy ''did'' make stuff up. A shame, realy. It's also quite a shame that Tolkien never finished the naming prosses, but, meh, we can leave that to his decendants.
 
:::Well, that's all I need to know. Thanks! ^^ -- [[User:Explorer of Arda|Explorer of Arda]] 20:16, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 
::::There's also a map in [[The Book of Lost Tales]] 1. But thats a verry old map, and not canon. The only place with isn't renamed is Cuivienen. However its fanon, it would be funny to read. --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 18:20, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 
== 8000+ ==
 
Tomorrow or today we'll probably have 8000+ pages! Keep up the good administrative (and all other) work, Ederchil! --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 23:54, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 
:You keep up the actual editing ;) -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 07:43, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 
yeah, we have 8000 articles. Hopely we once get bigger than the wookie-pedia, hopely it wouldn't be as much a mess as there. If I see that there, there is almost no canon there. They use books with are not of George Lucas, the inventor.  --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 18:23, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 
:The Expanded Universe is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is.
:WookieePedia has a lot more articles, and personal taste in canon aside, it is a well-kept wiki with lots of sysops and editors. It's even more bureaucratic than Wikipedia. Three seconds after some anon creates a new page, three editors have wookieefied it.
:This wiki still needs work, though. A lot of characters miss categories, sources, are straight rips from Wikipedia, need images, or otherwise a major update. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:30, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
::but its the expanded universum, expanded by other people. I think thats uncanon. I know its realy big, but your rigth I can't say how big it is. LOTR idem tito, however it is still smaller because the Tolkien Estate deosn't want more authors of the work, while George Lucas doesn't care. (or am I wrong?) --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 19:03, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 
== Idea ==
 
Maybe its a idea to add the voices of actors who speak memorable quotes (like "I see you" from Sauron) by adaptions. Or is that against fair use. --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 18:26, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 
:I'm not sure I get what you mean. You mean sound files? They're okay, we already have some of those uploaded. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:32, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 
==Categories==
Something which often confuses me when creating pages is that some categories have initial capitals on some words. For example, we have "Images of Authors", "Images of Merchandise"; but on the other hand we have "Images of books" and "Sindarin locations". By now I've memorized some of the variations (since "Images of Books", e.g., will yield a red link), but do we have a standard for how to write categories? --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 08:48, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 
:No, but we probably should. I favor the non-capital version if ti comes up for a vote. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 10:38, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 
==Standards for bibliography==
 
Where can I find the standards for how to write a bibliography on Tolkien Gateway? Thanks / --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 20:11, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 
:There's not really a standard. I usually just use <br>
* Year: ''Title'' (editor or something)<br>
for books and <br>
* Year: ''Magazine Title'' #issue
** "Article"<br>
for articles. See [[Tom Shippey]] for a long example. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:17, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 
==Spams==
 
That was quick! I thought the hour was late, but your eyes weren't far away! ;-) BTW, seems like the spammers are quite active right now, sometimes you feel like writing angry emails to the companies that hire spamming services (like the Bluemountain Trips, or whatever their names were). Cheers/--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 21:42, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 
:Na, wasted effort. They won't listen. They're just a nuisance, as the links aren't picked up by search engines.
 
:Just be glad neautograph hasn't popped up yet. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:48, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 
==Deletion request==
 
Is it possible for you to check the page "A Long Expected Party: MECCG Sites & Scenarios"? It's still left in Category:Books, but the page doesn't exist. --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 20:52, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:It's the ampersand problem again. Will check it out. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:56, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::Thank you! --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 21:12, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 
== Deleted question ==
 
The question about the Angus McBride picture was because I wanted to know who else was in there besides Galadriel. I have never be able to figure it out, despite how much I read.
 
Was my question wrongly put? Should I not ask such things?
 
Thank you. - Kementari02
 
:I've deleted so many things over the past few weeks that I can't quite remember what you're talking about. What image was this about? -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:10, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::I assume you mean this pic: "Image:Angus McBride - Galadriel.gif"? If so, then it is a fanon scenario. You find a description of the other characters in the art/rpg book ''[[Angus McBride's Characters of Middle-earth]]'', published by MERP. (Maybe move this thread to the forum?) --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 21:32, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 
Thank you. That answers my question. - Kementari02
 
==Writings, books, essays, etc.==
 
Ederchil, I've been examining the Cat:Writings, and it's quite difficult to know how to handle it. Right now, it contains anything written by JRRT which it's not published separately (in general). The idea of the category is of course good, but I find a couple of questions and thoughts:
#Should the category only include JRRT material (the cat, e.g., included [[Epic Pooh]], although I recatted it to "Published articles" for the moment)?
#If not, do we need a "...by J.R.R. Tolkien" for every sub-cat? I guess the more TG expand, the more "writings" by other authors will need to be categorized.
#Perhaps we should state that the cat only contains writings which haven't appeared in a publication on their own (or published under their own title)?
#The head-cat for Cat:Writings should be Cat:Real-world, and perhaps stating in Cat:Publications that this category only contains media published separately with a title of their own (or something like that).
Thanks for you time/--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 21:41, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:I'd go for "Published articles by J.R.R. Tolkien" as a sub cat. Re: 3, yes. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:50, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::I've been moving some book chapters from the head-category "Writings". However, as it's a big difference of the (related) chapters of, e.g., ''The Lord of the Rings'', and the chapters of, e.g., ''The History of Middle-earth books'' (as these often are a presentation of a single manuscript), I created the Cat:Manuscripts. --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 23:13, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 
==Books portal==
 
May I change the intro to "Welcome to the Books gateway, here you will find links and information relating to any and all publications relating to J.R.R. Tolkien and his works."? ''Books'' is too specific a word for all the info we've so far covered on Tolkien Gateway. I thought I'd ask first since it's one of the main pages of TG --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 19:48, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:Go ahead. I hope it fits on the line. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:01, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 
==Talk:Tar-Elendil==
Is there a way to lock [[:Talk:Tar-Elendil]] from being edited? It appears it has been the target of a spam bot. --[[User:Pinkkeith|Pinkkeith]] 19:09, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:When the spamming first started, I protected all spammed pages and blocked all spammers, but that didn't seem to help much. It merely shifted the spam to other pages. I'd rather have them make a useless talk page 7 times a day than having to revert or delete higher profile pages. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:52, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 
==Youtube==
I noticed that the <nowiki><youtube></nowiki> command is either bugged or taken out. If it has been taken out could you let me know, please? I can remove it from some of the LOTRO articles. Thanks. --[[User:Pinkkeith|Pinkkeith]] 19:09, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:Yeah, it's a problem on more wiki's. For now, I think it's best to just put the video's between <nowiki><!-- --></nowiki> tags, so it'll be easier to revert once it works again. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:52, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 
== Concerning S.R.T.O. d'Ardenne ==
 
"S.R.T.O." seems to be the name she used most, and by which is referred to in scholarly books (like J.R.R. Tolkien, we don't write John Tolkien). --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 14:55, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::On a second thought, "Simonne d'Ardenne" is used both in ''The Tolkien Family Album'', and by Johan Vanhecke in "Tolkien and Belgium" in ''Lembas Extra: Proceedings of the 5th Unquendor Lustrum''. I'll create a new page and redirect "S.R.T.O. d'Ardenne".--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 23:57, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 
== Dates and Rock-roses ==
 
Hello Ederchil; two quick things:-
 
#What are [[Rock-roses]]? (I see you added them to [[Rose (disambiguation)]] yet I have no idea what they are.)
#I've just made [[Template:SR]]; I was wondering whether you thought it was worthwhile changing it (or making a separate template) so that is displays converted dates, rather than simply linking to them, as well? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 16:07, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 
:# "yellow rock-roses" are mentioned in "[[Out of the Frying-Pan into the Fire]]".  See also [[wikipedia:Cistaceae|here]].
:# I like the template. I think something along the lines of "[[Shire Reckoning|S.R.]] [[Third Age 3000|1400]] ({{TA|3000}})" could work. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:43, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 
::# A-ha! Thanks.
::# Thanks - hopefully it will save people having to (sometimes incorrectly) calculate dates themselves. Couldn't doing that get a bit messy, though? I think that could look very untidy, particularly in infoboxes. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 17:21, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
::::2. I think it would look better in infoboxes, but not in situations like [[Rose (disambiguation)|these]], so I now favour the short version. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:04, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::2. Great! If it makes you feel more comfortable, on my to-do list is a template which displays Shire Reckoning dates on the individual year pages so when people click on, e.g. SR 1400 they're not too confused when they see they've got TA 3000. (This is for when I get off disambiguation pages and back onto dates.) --{{User:Mith/sig}} 21:37, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 
::::::It'll be long work, but all year pages probably need a header of sorts, like the real worlds years. It could include an automated option for SR, of course. Probably need #explode for that. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:54, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::::I've just been playing around in my sandbox and I don't think we have the requisite extension installed: #explode (or, my other option, #sub) doesn't seem to do anything at all, which throws a pretty big spanner in the works. Unless I'm doing something wrong? (My current rough code is: <nowiki>{{#ifexpr: {{#explode:{{PAGENAME}}| |-1}}>=1601 | This is the equivalent of the year {{#expr: {{#explode:{{PAGENAME}}| |-1}} - 1600}} in [[Shire Reckoning]]. }}</nowiki>)
 
:::::::Re: spam. Well done on keeping on top of all the spam; I've been dipping in and out whenever I can to try and help but, alas, there is only so much I can do.--{{User:Mith/sig}} 21:06, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 
::::::::I'm getting a bit tired of it, really. And it's nearing bed time, I don't want to know what I wake up with tomorrow.
::::::::Got a reply from Hyarion, he would try to increase the Captcha requirements "this afternoon". But he's on Pacific Time, so that's gotta be soon now.
::::::::If he pops by, ask him about #explode and #sub. The StringFunctions extension is required for that to work. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:20, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 
==Anti-spam strategies==
 
Not sure if I can be of any help concerning the attack storm of today, but I just wanted to recommend [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anti-spam_features Mediawiki Anti-spam features]. Do we have any of these features enabled? --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 10:05, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 
:I emailed Hyar about it, but still don't have a response. I'll see If I can think of something, because today's horrible. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 10:09, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
:Sent him another one. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 10:16, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 
::Great! Let us know if something gets implemented - it would be interesting to see if it has any effect. --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 23:40, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 
:::The current spam attack makes me wonder if we (Hyarion) should make TG into a closed, registration-based system..? We would loose some (good) edits by unregistered users (although these are very few from my experience), but I'm just afraid if you, Ederchil, will loose interest in deleting/reverting, since TG would be a mess after just a few days. Hopefully I don't need to worry about this! --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 14:39, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 
::::Hyarion said he would improve captcha requirements, but we only had a break for a couple of days. When I came home yesterday, I spent the first half hour deleting stuff... great job to you and all on doing what you can, btw.
 
::::Although it's a last ditch effort, I don't mind locking up for unregistered users completely. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 14:45, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::I have to say, I've also been giving this some thought and I tend to agree that - as a temporary measure, perhaps - we close TG to unregistered users. This continual stream of spammers is time-consuming, irritating, and frankly wrecks good articles for visitors. Do we have any idea, incidentally, what has caused the sudden bout of spamming? I also agree there are some good edits by unregistered users, but they are very few and far between in my experience, too (mostly limited to correcting typographic errors) - perhaps we should focus our efforts on encouraging these people to register? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 15:51, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 
==Siege of Mirkwood==
The expansion known as Lord of the Rings Online: Siege of Mirkwood did include the final book to Volume II: Mines of Moria. Also, the expansion Lord of the Rings Online: Mines of Moria included the final book to Volume I: Shadows of Angmar. Turbine makes you buy the next expansion in order to complete the previous one. It is a marketing tool to get you to buy it. Siege of Mirkwood is an expansion in its own right and not sololy the final book to Mines of Moria. --[[User:Pinkkeith|Pinkkeith]] 21:22, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 
==Years before JRR's birth==
Is there a consensus on TG to not include year pages before JRRT's birth? I was on my way to add the birth of Charles Williams when I discovered this detail of the year pages. --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 23:40, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 
:If you want to, go ahead. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 05:44, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 
== Ad Nonsense ==
 
You probably won't find my contributions worthwhile at all then. (I see what you are doing here.)
 
It would be against tale logic for Entwives to be lost forever. The sadder the story, the more pressing somebody will feel the urge to amend.{{unsigned|Wasdf}}
 
:Still not making sense. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:13, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 
::It's more like interpretations and guesswork. You may basically remove my username altogether.{{unsigned|Wasdf}}
 
:::Interpretations of what?
:::Also, it's impossible to remove an account. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 06:30, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 
== Adaptation info- how much is TOO much in an article? ==
 
Having browsed Tolkien Gateway for several years prior to joining as an editor, I'm familiar with its book-heavy leaning, and wanted to make sure going in that I knew how much information on the adaptations was appropriate to put in "Appearance in Adaptation"-type sections of articles. In particular, I've always been a big fan of the Rankin/Bass animated adaptations, and I noticed the Sting article has nothing on its appearance in those in it, and that's what prompted me joining. But before I added that information in, I wanted to make sure I knew how much information on sources other than the books themselves was TOO much, so I don't go overboard and make the more knowledgeable and experienced editors have to waste time they could spend on more important things cleaning up after me. Wouldn't exactly be the most GLORIOUS start to a career editing here, now, would it? [[User:Dinosaur bob|Dinosaur bob]] 01:51, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 
:All licensed adaptations can have as much information as there is available. So go ahead, add it. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 06:07, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 
== Large Family Trees ==
 
Is is possible that you could delete these three family trees: [[User:Aule_the_Smith/GiantFamilyTree]]? They won't (and never have) load for me and my bot keeps stumbling over them in an attempt to fix things, but, obviously, all it does is create loads of 500 server errors. If you could get rid of them of them it would be handy for me otherwise my bot is going to keep on getting stuck. Thanks. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 18:58, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 
:I can understand your concern; I can't load the first two either. However, I won't delete a personal sandbox without that user's permission. I know Aule hasn't been here in a while and it's simple to undelete something, but still. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}}
 
::OK, I understand (although disagree). How long would Aule have to be gone before you would consider deleting it? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 19:16, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 
:::A lifetime, maybe two. :) -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 19:22, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 
::::But hey, it seems kind of strange to keep a userbox if it's causing internal problems. If, as you say, it's easy to undelete and if the user hasn't been active in a long time -  I believe it's fair enough to empty the problematic page for the moment being (and perhaps create a special template to put on such pages). Just my two pennies worth--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 22:51, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::My other reason was: if it gets a 500 server error, I can't delete it. But I figured out I can by accessing it via the url.
:::::I'll delete them, for now, but I'll leave a message at Aule's to notify him. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 07:44, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 
::::::Thank you! (Although I had actually done a work-around to avoid it, but thank you nonetheless!) --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:23, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 
::::::I stopped working on that precisely because once they got to a certain size the engine couldn't handle it. The pages are not actually causing "internal problems" though Morgan. Whatever errors my large tree threw up, MediaWiki is perfectly capable of containing them on one page on my User namespace. It is Mithbot that has the problem parsing the subset of possible MediaWiki pages that consist of 500 server errors. From a software development point of view it would be infinitely better to have the bot able to handle exceptions like those pages than removing them manually and hoping that they never happen again (when someone might not be around to do the necessary maintenance). But programming fussiness aside, I certainly don't want my old personal projects causing problems for other users, so delete away. Perhaps Ederchil could undelete them temporarily so I can save the source, though? --[[User:Aule the Smith|Aule the Smith]] 17:05, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 
::::::: Thank you, I've saved the sources in case I ever want to do anything with them. Feel free to re-delete the pages if they are still causing problems. However strangely enough I'm not getting an error when viewing them any more. --[[User:Aule the Smith|Aule the Smith]] 17:36, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 
== Bot ==
 
I just wanted to apologise if [[User:Mithbot|Mithbot]]'s clogging-up of the [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent Changes]] has been an irritant over the last few days. I've just been very keen to sort out some of the mess and make TG that bit more professional. Hopefully when Hyarion is next around he'll make it an official bot so it will be hidden from Recent Changes. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 12:23, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 
==Book project==
 
Do you think it would be possible for me to be included as a co-supervisor for [[Tolkien Gateway:Projects#Books]]? Do we need a vote on that first? --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 21:27, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 
:I'm cool with it. As far as I'm concerned, you can add yourself. But maybe it's better to raise the topic on the talk page first. As per the meeting, inactive supervisors can be removed; frankly, on the field of books, I've been quite inactive. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:33, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 
::Yeah, I've notived that ;-) So, would you still like to be a supervisor (together with me) for the books, or shall I suggest a change of project leader on the talk page? --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 21:40, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 
:::Mith's reorganization of the page made me go "Wait, I'm book supervisor?!?". You can be supervisor on your own if you want, I'll stick with adaptations. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:49, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 
==Images and articles==
 
Ederchil, do you think we need some article pages for certain images? I just created one for [[Lamb's Farm, Gedling]]. Or would it be better to include this info on the image page? If the former is the case, which category do you think would be fitting? --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 20:26, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 
:I don't think including that much info on the image page is a good idea; it generally does not get as much traffic as main space, and it's easily missed as it requires the reader to scroll down in most cases. I think having a separate article for art by Tolkien is a good idea; maybe name the cat "Art by J.R.R. Tolkien" and include a link to "Images by J.R.R. Tolkien", which can be reserved for the actual images for the sake of navigation. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:42, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 
== Cat:Images of publications ==
 
Whenever you have time, could you please check what's wrong with [[:Category:Images of publications|Category:Images of publications]]? I just get a blank page when trying to create the cat. --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 15:34, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 
:No idea, I get a blank page too. Usually, it's an image's fault. Is [[:Image:Bloomsbury Manuscripts and Autograph Letters, Continental and English Literature and History, and Modern First Editions 15 June 2006.jpg|this]] the first image you put in that category? -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:47, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 
::Nope, there's a whole bunch of pictures that I've put in that cat. Maybe a task for Hyarion? --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 19:32, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 
:::Definitely. It's not the first time. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 19:46, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 
::::Definitely odd and annoying, on it. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 03:52, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 
== Your Opinion, Please ==
 
As you might've noticed, I've got some things cluttering around my Sandboxes (some of which have been there a long time). I would like your opinion on a couple:
 
#In [[User:Mith/Sandbox2|Sandbox2]] I've been working on a new system for sequences (as I find the current ones messy and overly space-consuming). I've created a [[User:Mith/Sandbox2#Plan|Plan]] for this, and I was wondering what you thought, and more, important, what I should name the several templates what I create it?
#After about two years I finally finished the [[User:Mith/Sandbox#Sundering of the Elves Template|Sundering of the Elves Template]] - what do you think about it? I'm a bit worried that I've put too much in and, as a result, it's too cluttered. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:27, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 
:# I fell in love with the wikified variant the moment I saw it. DOB/DOD info needs to be a bigger font size, though. Maybe you could rename "sequence thing" into maybe "sequence header"? And the color could be combined with whatever color we use on [[:Template:Character Infobox]], if we ever decide to get that running and/or I ever finish it.
:# It's good, not too much info. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 14:45, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 
:: Maybe you could make the name of the character Bold, so from Aragorn to '''Aragorn'''. Except that both are realy nice. --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 14:49, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 
:::OK, I've made the DOB/DOD larger and bolded the character name as per both your suggestions (why I haven't done this before is beyond me).
:::About naming, I have a couple of concerns: the first is that if I change [[Template:Sequence]] to that it's going to instantly wreck many hundreds of sequences; second I'm worried users might get confused between top and header (although a well-written usage guide will probably save this); and third, the naming conventions are different elsewhere. For our [[Template:familytree]] we have the various templates as subpages whereas, on Wikipedia, the equivalent of these three new templates are [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:S-start S-start], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:S-hou S-hou] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:S-end S-end]. (They have no equivalent of sequence itself.)
:::Do you think it needs to be able to have multi-sequence successors like with Aragorn and Eldarion?
:::That's an amazing suggestion! As such, I've added in {{{race}}} which can be a switch to produce the desired background colour and font colour. Incidentally, I started Sandbox2 with the intention of working on the Character Infobox Template myself! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 15:48, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
::::The changing color does not quite work that simple. See the character template's code. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 15:57, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::Oh, I know: it's just there as a placeholder 'til I actually code the full thing. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 16:18, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 
::::::OK, I've now added the full #switch (with the gold colour of [[User:Mith/Sandbox2#Wikified|Wikified]] as default), as well as the ability for multi-row results like in that example. Based on that example, the only thing this template doesn't do if remove "Preceded by:" with "Vacant" (as this would require a ridiculous amount of extra coding for a very rare occasions). So, unless you have any other suggestions, I think it's ready to go.
::::::I'm thinking about naming the four <nowiki>{{seq-start}}</nowiki>, <nowiki>{{seq-head}}</nowiki>, <nowiki>{{seq}}</nowiki> and <nowiki>{{seq-end}}</nowiki> (possibly without hyphens). This will enable us to phase it in over time rather than having to deal with the car-crash that would be the mess caused by just changed [[Template:Sequence]] straight off. How does this all sound to you? (There are 250 uses of the existing template so I want to make sure we get this right first time - sorry if I'm hassling you.) --{{User:Mith/sig}} 23:02, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 
:Code doesn't seem to difficult; <nowiki>{{#if:{{{Preceded|}}}|{{{Preceded}}}|'''Vacant'''}}</nowiki> or something?
:Like the names. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 06:33, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 
::OK, after much faffing around I've finally finished it all off, with the vacancy function. Two examples in [[User:Mith/Sandbox2#Testing|my sandbox]] pretty much demonstrate all the functionality. I have just one problem now: links in the header. It seems as if the colours of links are uniquely incompatible with virtually all the various infobox colours. Do you have any suggestions as to how to sort this (short of editing TG's css file). --{{User:Mith/sig}} 12:25, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 
:::I'm finally done. I've created fool-proof guides on the templates, and I've also changed the text of maiar and valar from black to cream (as white wasn't really working. With regards to links, when the text is white the links are cream (and vice versa); all I need is for you to add the following to [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] in order to make them work:
<pre>td.seqwhite a {color: #FFFFFF !important;}
td.seqwhite div span a {color: #FFFFFF !important;}
td.seqcream a {color: #FFFDD0 !important;}
td.seqcream div span a {color: #FFFDD0 !important;}</pre>
:::I'm so glad to be done! Thanks for all you help. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 20:22, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 
::::I'd rather not mess with the css as I don't fully understand it and I don't like wrecking it (that usually happens to me in those cases). Better ask Hyarion, or wait until you're a sysop yourself ;) -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:59, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::Don't worry about 'wrecking it', you won't. The CSS in [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] won't affect the site layout, it just adds new classes for situations just like this. If you're that worried, I've done it for you: just copy the contents of [[User:KingAragorn/Sandbox|this]], replacing the contents of [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] with it. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 21:52, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 
== People ==
 
Hi Ederchil! I see that you too add some cats to the people articles. Would you mind also adding CAT:People by name? (so we don't have to do double work...). /Cheers --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 16:18, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 
:On it. I'm just searching the database for Dutchies. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:20, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 
== Arne Björkman article issue ==
 
Would you be kind to help me on the article [[Arne Björkman]]? I can't get the quote template right (having tried a variety of things).--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 22:19, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 
:The = usually gives that problem. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 22:23, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

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2014

Spam

I don't know if you or Morgan already contacted Hyarion, but I've just emailed him about today's spam influx.-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  17:23, 1 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I completely forgot to do that. I was too busy having flashbacks to a couple of years back. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 17:32, 1 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for all your effort to undo the mess guys, and thanks for the e-mail KA. For the time being I've just shut off new account creation until we implement a stricter process. Although I'm having a hard time thinking of something stricter, manual approval wouldn't even work since it would be sometimes difficult to differentiate solely based on the username. --Hyarion 17:44, 1 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You may be aware that I am pretty much computer-less at the moment (temporarily boring a PC right now). The way to fix this, Hyarion, is to change the CAPTCHA questions in LocalSettings.php. That will stop them until they figure out an answer. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 10:54, 2 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

List of Book that inspired Tolkien

It is difficult to put link sources when I just created the page and was begining to edit including informations, and you delete the page... Be more pacient. Otherwise it will be hard to help this wiki. Unsigned comment by Sigurd (talk • contribs).


Couple of things:
  • Add new messages at the bottom of the talk page. They go in chronological order from old to new.
  • The entire concept is vague. "Books that inspired Tolkien"? Inspired him on what? To write a book? To become a philologist? To write an alternate mythology for England? To write a specific element?
  • As I said, sources. The only source you list is a summary of his personal library, without explaining how this book being in his library inspired him. Unless you have a specific sources that explicitly says Book X inspired him to do action Y, it's just speculation.
  • No content other than a list. The introduction is essentially "Books that have inspired Tolkien are books that have inspired Tolkien".
  • Basic layout and spelling. That's something that you should do before saving the page.
As this is a vague and slippery slope (just as our existing train wreck Inspirations is), it adds nothing at the moment. Without addressing all these points (apart from the first, naturally), I see no point in having it. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 13:38, 1 March 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Couple of things:
  • Whatever. If you see the message works.
  • To put links, sources and more informations need time to included.
  • I was working in that page and adding all informations. But is Impossible to do this when someone came and deleted the page... minutes after I began to write.
  • So I think you have to whait some time before going to deleted a page. That is not the first time that you dont have paciense.Unsigned comment by Sigurd (talk • contribs).
While you're putting the page together you can use a sandbox in your user area.-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  16:37, 1 March 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Battle of the Five Armies

I'd just come on to change all the links - I'm glad you beat me to it! Thank you! -- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  19:17, 24 April 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Song_of_the_Lonely_Mountain (Talk_Page)

Hello.
Please forgive me, I really made a mistake: the confusion occured.So, in this time, could you help me, where can I publish my translation? On the forum?
(From Pnompen)

We're not really the right place for fan translations. Also, what would it help? None of us here knows Russian. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 15:45, 7 June 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Copyright Violation

May I ask why the images I uploaded are copyright violations? I personally asked the artist through deviantART. I asked through a note, so I can send you a printscreen or something. She told me that she does not mind as long as she is credited and it is not for profit. I also asked for these three specific images. --Sandy 15:08, 19 July 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I explained what you needed to add on your message wall. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 15:14, 19 July 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If you mean my Discussion page nothing new has showed up. If you mean another message wall then I have no idea what it is. Sorry :( --Sandy 15:28, 19 July 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
My bad i just saw it. Thanks for the info! --Sandy 15:29, 19 July 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I know, I have spammed you extensively today, and I'm sorry for that. I just want to be sure that this won't happen again. So, I created the page with the permission; Am I allowed to upload them now? And if so, in the template where it says "Permission for use on Tolkien Gateway" will it be automatically linked to the page I created or do I need to do something extra? Thanks again!--Sandy 15:53, 19 July 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You need to add the template like you used to, but instead of DeviantArt, write Kimberly. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 16:15, 19 July 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi

Sorry for trying to help with info. I wont help anymore. I dont know what you mean by "primary source".

2015

Elves infobox

Yes, you are right about the Longbeards. After all, most of the Dwarven characters in the legendarium are Longbeards.

To return to the topic...As you have no doubt already seen that I created the template for the generic Elven infobox, I think some of the characters from the legendarium should be put under that template: for example: Imin, Tata, Enel and their spouses and many other Elven characters who's nationality isn't determined by any of the writings.

Celeborn would be a good candidate for such a template and few other major characters who have ambiguous histories... Woolly Mammoth 17:08, 21 May 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Also, please do me a favor and delete the article "Morwë and Nurwë" considering they have no more use on the site.

Woolly Mammoth 17:11, 21 May 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yeah, a generic/unclear Elf template is a good idea. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 17:11, 21 May 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Woolly Mammoth, the Nuisance everlasting

To User:Ederchil and User:Mith - wouldn't it be much easier for you to unblock me than to constantly tidy up my "mess" - I have much to contribute to this wiki - and, as I said before, I SINCERELY apologize for any insult made to any of you, especially to User:Mith. From a more practical perspective, it would be good for you to unblock me - of course, if you do not want to clear up the mess that will be gathering in the following years - I am not a madman - I simply feel insulted by your behavior - I would like to edit this wiki - as I no doubt showed before - and it would be to your well-being (and to the well-being of this site) if I would continue editing this Wiki without any further hindrance. As for the images that I uploaded - I have proof that the permission was granted - although I have not been able to present the evidence to you - but if you unblock me I will - the visual representation of Tolkien's works is to me, at least, an important aspect of his work. That is the reason I am hellbent on including the images, and I spend a lot of time on DevinatArt searching for Tolkien related art, and I am in good relation to other members of that community. This is all for me at the time - and I hope you will reconsider the ban.

Respectfully - Woolly Mammoth! Laurentus 20:48, 14 September 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's "Mess" because you're doing exactly the same we told you repeatedly not to do before. You're blocked. Every time you make a new account, you're evading a block - which is also a blockable offence. You're in the penalty box. You can't just jump back on the ice after putting on a teammate's jersey.
Quite frankly, your "practical perspective"... that's an insult. Not just to me (or Mith), but to pretty much every moderator on all kinds of wikis and forums, everywhere on the internet. If you don't see that, I really can't help you. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 21:08, 14 September 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Again ME

I was just wondering...You are cutting the branch on which you are sitting by consistently blocking my unnumbered profiles. Tell me now...Wouldn't it be easier for you and me to simply unblock me? I have added more "canonical" information to this site than everyone here around.

Take for example Maedhros (which, according to Tolkien's latest use, should be MaeDros) - I have added information which none of your timid fellows has been wont to do.

And by Mith's Pythonesque farewell of "fucking off", I wonder if you, my dear "administrators", hold any supremacy over my "uncivil" behaviour. In the end, I altogether guessed rightly that most of you are, indeed, assholes (or at least you have buried your head in it).

Yours truly...dear Woolly Mammmoth ;).

Your arrogance is truly mindboggling. You were blocked. This ban evasion is also a blockable offense. No matter the quality of your edits, you won't be unblocked.
You're sent to the penalty box. You can't put on a teammate's jersey and get back on the ice. Just because you score a lot of goals doesn't mean that's suddenly okay. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 07:59, 6 October 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Tim Burton article

Why was it deleted? Tim Burton actually DID work on the 1978 Lord of the Rings film. Sure, he wasn't that famous at the time, but he still did artwork for it. We've got articles for fan films, so I don't see why we couldn't have an article for someone that worked on an official adaptation, however minor the involvement was. It just seems like disrepect to ignore the humble beginnings of such a well-known filmmaker, especially since a lot of people weren't all too famous until they were involved in adapting Tolkien's work. EldritchNexus 15:59, 8 October 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The only reason he had an article was not because he

worked on LotR, but because he did other, more famous stuff later. We wouldn't have articles on other artists on the movie either. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 16:10, 8 October 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

So what? We have separate articles for regional translators and for the Inklings, even the ones that probably never even LOOKED at one of Tolkien's books. We even have articles for artists that worked on the Peter Jackson movies and the other two animated films. What makes the 1978 film the exception? If the article seemed like it was just advertising Tim Burton's other stuff, then how about rewriting it so that it seemed more relevant to Tolkien instead of just deleting it? It's like throwing away a perfectly good pizza just because it had an extra topping you didn't want. EldritchNexus 16:15, 8 October 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I would argue it's throwing out a pizza because we're a pie shop. The problem is, there isn't much. What exactly did he work on? --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 16:34, 8 October 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, Tim Burton was uncredited for his work, but it was one of the first movies he ever worked on, so it's to be expected. He was mostly an "inbetween" artist, so I guess that means he did some miscellaneous artwork. Couldn't tell you which ones were all his, though. Also, in response to that "pie shop" analogy, I'd like to remind you that"pizza pies" are a thing.EldritchNexus 17:05, 8 October 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

--> Okay, here's a compromise: Have the Tim Burton article on this site, but keep it simple, so that it doesn't delve too deeply into his post-LOTR career. Something like:

"Tim Burton (born on August 25th, 1958) is an American filmmaker. He made his film debut in 1978, as an artist for Ralph Bakshi's animated film adaptation of The Lord of the Rings. He mostly worked on miscellaneous artwork as an "in-between" artist and thus largely remained uncredited for specific pieces."
What do you think? EldritchNexus 19:49, 18 October 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Not sure on the use of "miscellaneous artwork". In-between artists also needs no quotation marks, it's a normal job description - they're the people who make the animation fluid by creating the art that's in between the rougher, preliminary animation. The finishing touches. It'd be nice to know what scenes he worked on, if that could be found at all. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 20:35, 18 October 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:VT2

What's happening with Template:VT2[former link]? Is it useful? --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 12:54, 8 November 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm not sure what my intentions with it were, but it looks like Template:VT covers the same things, so we can probably do without. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 12:57, 8 November 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Done. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 13:17, 8 November 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Vunasti Mamut

Hello! Ederchil! Despite all my mistakes and insults...I truly regret that...Listen up! T is my favorite badass vilaine! I have spent a shitload of time trying to escape from the inevitable killing machine

Explanation

Do you think I am a liar(that I am lying to you) or I make some kind of a joke about Bolg? In One Wiki to Rule Them All wiki and in Wikipedia pages about Bolg and the Hobbit film trilogy it is never said that Bolg participated in the Battle of Azanulbizar.Moreover, in the One Wiki to Rule Them All wiki about Unamed Orc Brute it is said that Bolg and this Unamed Orc Brute are separate characters.Also you can check it and in Bolg page on IMDB. So that is why I am asking you to change the page on The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey about Bolg.See: Cast

You believe me that I am not liar or I that this is not some kind of joke? Unsigned comment by 2.86.255.196 (talk • contribs).

You're neither a liar nor a joker. You're simply incorrect. Those three sources you list are, like us, third party sources. We included sources that he was initially cast as Azog, before being recast as Bolg. I'd have to check, but BalrogTrainer mentions he appears in the credits as Bolg. Nowhere was he credited as Gundabad Orc or Unnamed Orc Brute. You're removed two primary sources, and offered none in return. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 11:33, 27 November 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Am I disturbing you?BalrogTrainer is right. If you see at the end credits of the First Hobbit film you will find that Conan Stevens is credited as Bolg.This is wrong because in the next two movies Conan Stevens is not credited as Bolg. This mistake the filmmakers should see and fix it.Why didnt they fix it? Do you know any way to contact with the filmakers in order to mention this mistake and correct it? Or anyone else WHO knows about these matters? Unsigned comment by 2.86.255.196 (talk • contribs).


We don't know why they changed it. But the fact remains: he was credited as Bolg (I checked it myself in the mean time). So we list him as Bolg. No reason to list him as anything else. I don't think it was ever fully explained why he was recast. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 20:22, 2 December 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No no no.I am asking you if you know how to contact with the filmakers of the Hobbit film trilogy in order to correct this mistake in the end credits of the First Hobbit film or if you know anyone else WHO is expert on that matters. Unsigned comment by 2.86.255.196 (talk • contribs).


Try looking for contact details of MGM or New Line Cinema. However, it wasn't a mistake at the time the movie was released. That was still Bolg back then. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 21:42, 2 December 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Peter Jackson cameo appearence in The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

Peter Jackson appears uncredited in The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies.He makes a cameo appearence at the end of the third Hobbit film in the painting of Bungo Baggins in case you dont know it.This painting can be seen in the final scene at the Bag End when Bilbo (Martin Freeman) returns home.You can check it on IMDB page about Peter Jackson and in Wikipedia page about Peter Jackson. Unsigned comment by 2.86.255.196 (talk • contribs).

The picture was based on Jackson's face. In fact, that was used back in LotR as well. See our page on Bungo Baggins. It shouldn't be on PJ's page as a cameo because it's not a physical cameo. Do not add it again. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 17:01, 4 December 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Lady of the Star-brow

Thank you so much! I did not know how to make it redirect. I appreciate that. ^_^ Do you know how to change titles on a page? For example, changing the Second Kinslaying to just Second Kinlaying? --Elf-esteem 17:20, 6 December 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There's a "move" button, but I've been an admin for so long I don't remember whether this is admin-only or for everyone. Just suggest a move on the talk page. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 18:05, 6 December 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Talk:The Hobbit (film series)/Mistakes

look what I have written in Talk:The Hobbit (film series) about some mistakes.

The of the page The Hobbit (film series) |the First Hobbit film]] and not about the The Hobbit film Project generally. I added the other two IMDB files about the other two movies but they dont appear on screen genrerally.That is why I have added all three IMDB files at the bottom of the page The Hobbit (film series). Why are you insisting on that case? According to the title of the page The Hobbit (film series), that page talks about the The Hobbit film Project generally.So, that means the page is not only about the First Hobbit film.That is why I removed that IMDB file and I didnt remove the Hobbit Blog page. Unsigned comment by 85.72.247.184 (talk • contribs).

What you did didn't work because there is only one template parameter - imdb_id. imdb_id1, imdb_id2 and imdb_id3 don't exist in the template, so adding them won't change anything. A link to the first film suffices. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 18:00, 16 December 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes. I saw it and that is why I removed the IMDB file from the page The Hobbit (film series) and I didnt remove the Hobbit Blog page from there.Why are you insisting on keeping the IMDB file on The Hobbit (film series);Look at External links of The Hobbit (film series) and see what I have added. Unsigned comment by 85.72.247.184 (talk • contribs).

The first film suffices. Do not add the others again, that doesn't work. Also, IMDb is spelled with a lower case b. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 18:28, 16 December 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Why are you insisting on adding in Film infobox of the page The Hobbit (film series) the IMDb file of the First Hobbit film;It is not reasonable, especially since the fact the the IMDb file of the First Hobbit film alrady exists in the external links of the page The Hobbit (film series). Moreover, the other reason is that this IMDb page in Film infobox is only about The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey.That is why I inisist on the fact that this is a mistake. I would suggest you to remove the IMDB file from the Film infobox of The Hobbit (film series). Unsigned comment by 85.72.247.184 (talk • contribs).

It's not a mistake. It's fine as it is now. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 18:51, 16 December 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You make a great mistake by keeping this file on infobox of the page, for the reasons that I told you. Moreover,someone else has made another mistakes on the same page.In Content See also of the same page someone has added all The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey tie-in books.I mean these books are mentioned in that content WHO has added these books and Why;What is the point. These books are also mentioned in the page The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey and are related only to the First film and not to the Hobbit film project generally.Why doesnt someone remove these tie-in books from that content;It is not reasonable to exist, since that pages is about for the Hobbit film Project generally.

Won't you say something about it;Won't you say your opinion;

Spam Bots

Hope everything is going great with you Ederchil! Thanks for blocking those spam bots; just wanted to give you a heads up I changed the new user security questions so hopefully the account creations will subside. --Hyarion 16:50, 24 January 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Not much effort. We've had worse. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 17:22, 24 January 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Explanation

Thank you.Because Tolien Gateway mentions the Awards that were won by the people who worked for the The Lord of the Rings (film series) , why shouldnt I do the same the thing for the people who worked for The Hobbit (film series);

No need to explain - that's indeed necessary. We just completely forgot. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 18:12, 29 January 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Mistake

Mike Mizrahi played Thrain in flasback scene in the Extended Edition of The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug.Specifically he portrayed him in The Battle of Azanulbizar.Thomas Robins played him in the theatrical version.Specifically he portrayed him in Erebor scene (befor the attack of smaug in Erebor) in The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey. Unsigned comment by 85.72.212.188 (talk • contribs).

It might not be wrong, but that was not the reason for reverting it. You added the names without updating the source. That source does not say three people played Thrain. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 18:17, 2 February 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]