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== Discussion ==
 
Hello.I would like to discuss about something [[Talk:Battle of Fornost|here]].
 
== Discussions ==
Let's talk about it [[Talk:Quest of Erebor|here]], [[Talk:Arnor|here]] and [[User talk:2.86.255.128|here]].{{unsignedanon| 2.86.255.128}}
 
I would like to be discussed something generally.Read [[User talk:2.86.255.128#Tolkien Gateway and The Hobbit film|here]].{{unsignedanon| 2.86.255.128}}
 
It should be mentioned in any way that  Ravenhill was the place of the final duel between Thorin and Azog in the films. {{unsignedanon| 2.86.255.128}}
 
:It should be mentioned in a way that resembles English. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:36, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 
Why don't you put in your own way? I mean you can write it in your own way (the fact that in Ravendill happened the final confrontation between Thorin and Azog). {{unsignedanon| 2.86.255.128}}
 
 
:I've done that for roughly 80% of what you've added so far. Please improve your English. This is not optional. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 19:43, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 
== Complaint and Discussions ==
 
Fool.Why did you do that? After all I have done? After all the editings that I have done in Tolkien Gateway;Is this the way you thank me? By blogging me; Is this how you thank the others for their contribitions here? By blogging them? Congratulations.Congratulations.You should be given an award for that.This is the way you thank the others.By blogging them.Right?You are an asshole.If the only thing you know what to do is blogging them and not discussing with them, then do it again. OK? Well done.--[[User talk:2.86.255.128|2.86.255.128]] 20:25, 05 January 2017 (UTC)
 
:Blogging is writing a weblog. What I did was blocking you. Because I've had to clean up all your edits, and you still continued. Don't you look at how I (and others) rewrite your contributions? Don't you learn from that? Don't you see what we remove all the time, what we keep and what we rewrite? --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:37, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
 
Next time I would like FIRST to discuss these problems with me.OK? {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}
 
 
:I indicated your English was below par before. You make a mess, I clean it up. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 10:16, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
Why did you delete my editings on page Beorn's Hall?I am telling the truth about the filming of Beorn's Hall (where it was shot).You can check it.I am not lying. {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}
 
Also, why did you delete my editings on talk page about Tauriel(I am talking about this page:[[Talk:Tauriel]])? This my opinion. OK? Can't I say my opinion about her fate now? This is just my opinion about her fate.OK? {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}
 
:Didn't I explain enough? The English is too poor to be usable. It's not a fun thing for me to say to you, but if I don't, you'll never improve. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:47, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
 
All these games that I added on Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment do exist.Why didn't you put these games on this page earlier? Before me no-one else had ever said about these games on Tolkien Gateway. You could have mentioned these games earlier on Tolkien Gateway, but you didn't.Why?  {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}
 
:I'm largely retired from active content editing. I still do clean up work, though. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 07:24, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
 
Why?Why are you retired from active content editing? You can still create pages on Tolkien Gateway.Don't be so pessimistic about yourself. {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}
 
== About my edit ==
 
Why did you undo my edit on the nazgul page? When you actually look at the battle of the morannon, you can actually see a wraith falling of his steed during the battle [http://cdn.roaring.earth/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Eagles-vs-Nazgul.png (A screenshot of the wraith in question)]


== My Bot ==
Not complaining about anything here, just asking--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 18:42, 1 February 2017 (UTC)


Hi Ederchil, is it possible you could add [[User:Mithbot]] to the [[Special:ListUsers&group=bot|bot usergroup]] (no idea why that's a  redlinks: it works for me) so I can do some menial and boring tasks quickly? Thanks, --{{User:Mith/sig}} 19:50, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
:"They are taken out" covers the scene. Whether one was alive or dead is speculation. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 19:06, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
::Ah okay. Also tbh i wonder what would happen if one survived the destruction of the ring--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 04:19, 2 February 2017 (UTC)


:I'm only a sysop, not a [[wikipedia:WP:BUR|bureaucrat]], so I can't change user group rights. You could PM or email Hyarion for this. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:50, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
== Battle under the Trees ==


::Oh, OK, I thought you were (wishful thinking!). Thanks anyway! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 21:57, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
First of all, thanks for reminding me not to capitalize under. Obviously a bit miffed you deleted it so quickly, but admittedly there was a bit of conjecture in it. I would point out that by putting 'maybe' I clearly labled my conjecture, whereas there are plenty of articles that don't, for example: 'The battle was incredibly important in the course of the War of the Ring: if Sauron's Easterling armies had beaten the Dwarves and Men of Dale, they would have been able to join up with Sauron's forces from Dol Guldur in their attacks on the Woodland Realm of Mirkwood and Lothlórien, tipping the scales in favor of Mordor.'
I don't see how saying that Thranduil's army in Mirkwood would have probably exceeded that in 2941 is much more problematic. Anyway, what I'm proposing is that I write a more basic version of the article, then submit it to you or another administrator before saving it. Frankly, the Gateway's current stuff on the War of the Ring is pretty poor, and we could really do with a few short articles on the battles. The current War template leaves out half the conflict. It's fair enough to get rid of conjecture, but I'll happily do that for you. {{unsigned|Hazad}}


:::Actually, I thought I was too :) -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 22:21, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
:I didn't delete it quickly - not as quickly as I've deleted other articles. I was busy copy editing it, fixing the sources and everything, but without all the speculation, there really wasn't much of a history section left. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 05:23, 1 April 2017 (UTC)


== Main page spelling mistake ==
::Hazad: IIRC, there was a discussion about having an article about a "Battle under the Trees" a couple of years ago, ultimately reaching a consensus similar to Michael Martinez' [http://middle-earth.xenite.org/2012/10/12/what-was-the-battle-of-mirkwood/ thoughts on the subject]. Thus, if there are details missing about the battle(s) in Mirkwood, I would advise adding these to the [[Mirkwood#History|history section of Mirkwood]]. --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 06:41, 1 April 2017 (UTC)


Hello - while using this wiki, I noticed that main page's featured article has a spelling mistake. It should be '''borne''' not ''born'' in the sentence "Glamdring was the sword once born by Turgon, King of Gondolin." I can't edit the page! :) [[User:Darth Newdar|Darth Newdar]] 17:27, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
OK, thanks for getting back to me. I have read that Martinez article and to be honest I think it's a bit below his usual standards, in that when Tolkien writes 'battle under the trees' he is clearly referring to Mirkwood in particular, rather than Mirkwood and Lorien. But anyhow no matter. While I'm asking, why is the War of the Elves and Sauron page protected, when it's marked as in need of expansion? (really needs to be added to, the only reference is Appendix B)


:Thank you. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:40, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
== What did I do wrong with the Warg matriarch image? ==


== The Peril to the Shire page ==
No offense but i seriously have no idea what you meant with "no source" when you deleted the image


Just wanted to know why you keep editing the page I'm building on "The Peril to the Shire".  I worked rather hard on it, yet you keep re-arranging and deleting stuff.  It would be nice if you asked first, or at least let me know what you are up to.
As for the infobox, i couldnt do much better since im on an ipad and the editing interface doesnt work that well on my ipad--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 19:47, 26 May 2017 (UTC)


Doug Dunklin, producer/director of "The Peril to the Shire"
:All images need a source category and subject categories. I deleted that one because I couldn't guess which of the three it was from. You like it? You source it. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:38, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
"[[User:Ltcdunk|Ltcdunk]] 20:29, 19 January 2010 (UTC)"


:I figured you were involved in production. First of all, thank you for contributing.
::Oh now i get it. Guess ill reupload it tomorrow since i know where its from--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 21:01, 26 May 2017 (UTC)


:I basically rearranged a lot to make it fit our [[TG:MOS|Manual of Style]] and deleted a lot because it was (in my eyes) repetition. Also, a lot of text in long sentences does not improve readability, and detracts attention from your own website (we don't want to be ''too'' complete now, do we?). --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:04, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
::And the other two images? what was wrong with those? {{unsigned|LordAndSaviourSauron}}


== An image page won't load ==
I was trying to load the entry page for [[:Image:Middle-earth (large).jpg]], and all I get from the server is an empty page.  I reloaded repeatedly, and I still get an empty page.  I tried other images in [[:Category:Non-canon maps|the category I found it in]], and many other pages load fine.  But this page won't.  A couple others won't too&mdash;I suspect that the large file size may have something to do with it, but that's just a guess.  Maybe the server is failing to generate a thumbnail for images that size?  I just don't know. - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 17:07, 25 January 2010 (UTC)


:I'm not really having trouble with the image itself, but I think you're referring to [[MERP: Middle-earth Role Playing Poster Maps]], the page on which it is embedded. I have the same issue. I managed to sneak into the history via [[User:Morgan|Morgan]]'s contributions and removed the image (resizing it gave problems again). -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:50, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Duplicates of each other, and no point to illustrate it on the article. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:34, 27 May 2017 (UTC)


Now an entire ''category'' page won't load, and I didn't exactly embed images into the page body either. o.o [[:Category:Maps of Minas Tirith]].  It displayed mostly alright after I created it, but now the category page is just a white blank, like some of the image pages. Is it possible that MediaWiki or one of its backend programs is running out of memory?  Or another kind of error?  How do we fix this kind of thing? - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 09:32, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Oh, but idk if an image of how the eye appears in the hobbit would actually be pointless, since it looks quite different than what the eye looked like in LOTR.--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 20:33, 27 May 2017 (UTC)


:Apparently a new image problem, "Error creating thumbnail: Invalid thumbnail parameters". Don't know about the category. i'll see if I can email Hyarion about this. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 14:24, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::It looked fairly similar. If they're different, describe the differences on the relevant page. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:36, 27 May 2017 (UTC)


::I've seen that problem before, on Wikia.  The problem is, an image has too many millions of pixels to buffer into memory to create a thumbnail.  It doesn't matter if the file itself is small&mdash;if it has very large dimensions, the thumbnail backend software runs out of memory trying to generate a thumbnail for it.  This can be fixed by increasing the amount of memory it's permitted to allocate, if that is possible.  I've been thinking that memory increase may greatly benefit the particular Tolkien interest that involves very highly-detailed maps, as Tolkien is full of those.  Either that or we split up some of the largest images into multiple segmented image files.  That'll be easy for PNGs, but not for JPEGs.  Recently I uploaded some very large maps, including one of Middle-earth (Role-playing Game canon, I think), and another absolutely gorgeous non-canon map of Minas Tirith (which may have been involved in making that category page show blank).  It would be a shame if those couldn't be displayed. - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 14:53, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
== Limpe ==


[[:Image:Minas Anor 2000.jpg‎]] is the new Minas Tirith map I uploaded(It's fantastic, don't you think?) It's the only Minas Tirith image of the new maps I recently uploaded, and it almost certainly is related to the page [[:Category:Maps of Minas Tirith]] showing blank now.<br/>
Hi, I was adding some information on the drink Limpe which is canon. Look it upAnd it's not copyrighted. I have the darn link right here as proof.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictional_food_and_drink_in_Middle-earth#Limp.C3.ABSo could you kindly tell me the reason for the deletion please? {{unsigned|Tolkienfan31}}
Honestly, Tolkien wiki has hundreds of wonderful maps, and it would be in our interests to be able to display all of them, even the very large files or the images of very large dimensions. - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 15:01, 31 January 2010 (UTC)


==Anna Lee==
:It had no source, no proper layout, no proper markup, the wrong title, no categories... It wasn't an article, it was juse a random line. There's more to an article than being right or wrong. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 04:44, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
Sorry about the peacock-term "beautiful". - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 15:10, 27 January 2010 (UTC)


:No problem. Though I do agree, it's just not encyclopedic. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:26, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
== About my talk page ==


== On the future of dictionary-style entries ==
Just blanked it cause the discussions on it didn’t really have a point anymore and to make space for new stuff--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|Hail melkor?]] 16:03, 20 October 2017 (UTC)


There has been a recent heavy debate on this at [[Forum:Quenya declension template appearance]].  Since you have weighed on this before, could you weigh in now?  I originally went ahead with this project after asking about it, and you seemed to approve. To be honest, my concern is mainly linguistic and grammatical, and I didn't want to get so involved in a debate about whether linguistics on this wiki are at all even noteworthy. - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 01:35, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
:It's a public record of all communications to you. There's no need to "archive" it unless it's really a long page. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:39, 20 October 2017 (UTC)


:Sorry, my attention tends to drop away with long paragraphs and no images :), so I didn't respond. Will do now. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 13:54, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
::Also why are you editing my signature?--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|Hail melkor?]] 15:50, 22 October 2017 (UTC)


::Thank you for your feedback. You always seem like a gentle voice of wisdom here and I appreciate it. - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 18:11, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Do not use "Heil". Ever. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:04, 22 October 2017 (UTC)


== Withdrawing inflection templates ==
::::The way I’m using it is a joke tho (it’s a parody)--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|Hail melkor?]] 16:18, 22 October 2017 (UTC)


Considering the highly-controversial and sometimes flame-war-bait nature of trying to fully inflect Tolkien's languages in this wiki, I want to withdraw the entire inflection project.  But I'm not sure how to do it.  I think it would involve deleting all the embedded templates and "Inflection" sections.  But considering the heavy time and energy I put into it all, it may take about as much just to remove them.  I just don't know how to get it done quickly.  But I want to get this all behind me and away from this controversy.  And I swear, swear, ''swear'' that I didn't have a clue about the elvish.org vs. Ardalambion controversies, etc.  My primary source of all data was Ardalambion and closely associated sites.  I didn't know there was such a heated holy war involved in the issue.  I think I would generally agree with Ardalambion (elvish.org's FAQs sound really stuck-up to my inner anti-copyright liberal socialistic streak), but I don't want to be on the front lines of this&mdash;I don't want to be confrontational, not on purpose. I'd rather practice the fan-standardized aspects of the languages in my private user pages or other informal venues, and only practice harder data in the articles.  Ederchil, please help me.  Are there any more powerful wiki tools (bots, etc.) we can use to clean this up?  I have to make this right. - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 05:12, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::That is not a joking matter. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:32, 22 October 2017 (UTC)


:It's a pity, because you've certainly put lots of time in the process. But you could blame us in a way; we should've responded earlier.
::::::Whatever--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|Insert unfunny orc joke here]] 16:01, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
:We do have bots, though I fear this kind of job would have to be done by hand. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 08:15, 17 February 2010 (UTC)


::Ouch.  Well, at least they're all marked with "inflection" (an easily searchable word), and the templates are currently hidden from display (but near "inflection" making them easy to edit).  I suppose this is a job that could be done gradually over time...if everyone pitched in, I mean.  It's just...well...I want to get past the issue, very much so.  I want to get past potential future forum postings of "what are all these invisible templates and why are they all over the place"?  I cringe thinking of that.  And I feel like having a wikistress attack when I search "inflection" and see hundreds of results that are all my work.  I wish there were an easier way through this. - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 09:21, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
== Tolkien Ancestry ==


I just removed one search page's worth.  About 19 or 20.  And then I clicked "500", and it refreshed the first page, and...there are ''more'' than 500.  How on earth did I embed so many in seemingly such a short time?  I've ruined your wiki. :( - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 09:58, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi!


:It's not mine, so it's okay :). I'll see if I can do some of them. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 10:13, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
I would like to ask if it is possible to update all entries concerning the Tolkien Family history. My research in the Tolkien genealogy has changed a lot in this matter. See for instance here:


::I know you don't ''own'' it, but you are a sysadmin. It's practically yours. You have so much work to do here as it is, and I'm certainly no help.  I mean, I do...maybe...IPA, categories, userboxes, navboxes...  ...oh.  Well, I guess I've done ''something''.  And then I filled half the wiki with controversial inflections.  I have this feeling like I'm a small child who's been caught covering the walls of an entire house with crayon.  This all would be hilarious if it weren't all so...inconveniencing to people. XD - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 10:34, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
http://tolkniety.blogspot.com/2017/05/john-benjamin-tolkien-1753-1819-summary.html


I've removed some more inflections (a few dozen, maybe), and now there are less than 500 articles with the word "inflection" in them. I've been working from the opposite end of the search results, so that I wouldn't step on your toes in case you were working from the top of the list. - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 21:45, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Now we are 100% sure that first two Tolkiens in London were brothers, sons of Christian and Anna Euphrosina Tolkien from Petershagen in Gdańsk (German Danzig). The Professor's great-great-grandfather was born in June 1752 and was baptized in St Salvator Lutheran church in Gdańsk. His brother emmigrated in 1766 first to Amsterdam, then in 1770 to London. His younger brother, Johann Benjamin joined him in ca. 1772. Both brothers married the English girls and Daniel became furrie and John Benjamin a clock and watch maker.


:I just want to apologise. I didn't intend for all of these to be removed in their entirety, there was definitely something there worth having, just probably not in its current appearance or scale. Does that make sense? I am sorry, though, you've felt the need to remove the lot.
Their father was born in Kreuzburg, East Prussia in 1706. We know also the other generations:


:If [[User:Mithbot|Mithbot]] had been approved by [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] (where is he?!) I would get it to do all this work on (y)our behalf. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 11:21, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
The Tolkien family from Prussia
(15th-17th c.)|Michel Tolkien (b. ca. 1620, Globuhnen by Kreuzburg, Prussia)|Christianus Tolkien
(1663-1746, Kreuzburg, Kingdom of Prussia)|Christian Tolkien (b. 1706 in Kreuzburg, d. 1791 in Gdańsk, Polish Prussia)= Anna Euphrosina Tolkien, née Bergholtz (1719-1792)|Johann (John) Benjamin Tolkien (b. 1752 in Gdańsk, d. 1819 in London)|George Tolkien (1784-1840)
|John Benjamin Tolkien(1807-1896)|Arthur Reuel Tolkien(1857-1896)|John Ronald Reuel Tolkien(1892-1973)


::Since Hyarion finished school and has a job, he has found himself having less and less time for the internet.
The Tolkien family name belongs to a big Prussian family of names with the ending -in, -yn, -ien, -iehn and comes from Tolk-īn 'a descendant of Tolk'. Tolk is a Prussian name meaning 'translator, negotiator'
::I think it's better to do it manually, actually, because it also gives you the opportunity to clean the articles up a bit. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 11:28, 18 February 2010 (UTC)


::It won't be a complete loss.  Once all the templates are removed, someone can go back and make a brief note about Quenya nouns' stem forms and Sindarin nouns' special conditions (like whether a noun that begins with b/d/g mutates like b/d/g or like mb/nd/ng), and also notes regarding Sindarin plurals and Quenya irregular plurals (that may have just been fickle because of Tolkien changing his mind at least once).  Then, if you ''believe'' in regular rules, you can read them and ascertain inflections for yourself.
The Tolkiens in the 16th-18th centuries lives in East Prussia. You will not find the Tolkiens in Saxony, because it is a Prussian family of medieval roots in the Teutonic State. {{unsigned|Galadhorn}}
::Anyway, Mith, I'm also sorry for grating on your nerves before.  You can read my final explanation on my chronically abnormal way of communication at the forum post where we did most of our talking.  I'm always going to be very strange to talk to, and I don't want you grated or anything (I never did in the first place), but I'm hoping you can at least acclimate to it and see my good faith, even if most times I have no common sense.
::And if you need your bot approved, and Hyarion is not available to provide approval, then does anyone (perhaps Ederchil) have the authority to (at least tentatively) approve it? - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 18:49, 18 February 2010 (UTC)


:::Nope. I'm not a bureaucrat. See above. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:37, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:The current text is what Tolkien himself believed to be the origin of his family and family name. He mentioned it multiple times - [[Letter 165]] and [[Letter 324]], for example. He explicitly dismisses the association with Tolk- ("interpreter", "spokesman") in [[Letter 349]]. Even if that blog were true - I'm not saying it isn't - outright removing the current text and replacing it with things that contradict it is not the way to go. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:45, 22 November 2017 (UTC)


::::Mith, you don't ''have'' to have your bot user made into an official bot for it to work; the only thing it will do is hide the bot's edits from the recent changes page - so if the other  contributors don't mind it clogging up the recent changes page, I'm sure you could use it. ;) --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 11:34, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
I am sorry. I am not a Wikipedist, I have problems with proper editing in the places like this. I undestrand, Ederchil your position. The clue is that Professor Tolkien couldn't know things we know today. My research is known to the Tolkien family today, it is already accepted by the Tolkien Society (see their website) and is included in the newest "The J.R.R. Tolkien. Companion and Guide". I spent last year in the archives to find the truth about the Tolkien genealogy. Only you know how to enter the information from me into your Tolkien Gateway. Plese, think about including the information about the roots in Gdańsk and East Prussia. And about the alternative etymology of the Tolkien family name. {{unsigned|Galadhorn}}


== MediaWiki memory limit ==
:I have no problems with including it, as long as it is properly sourced and the current is not removed. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:23, 22 November 2017 (UTC)


I read on various MediaWiki support sites that the reason categories and image pages with very large images (in file size or dimensions) show a blank page is because of a PHP error caused by running out of memory. Since Tolkien Gateway is never going to have a shortage of highly-detailed high-resolution maps, is it possible we could ask Hyarion to increase the wiki's memory limit?  Perhaps to 64MB or more? - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 05:18, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Can you help me with it, Ederchil? As a source you can cite Ch. Scull, W. G. Hammond, "The J.R.R. Tolkien Companion and Guide" (2017), G 828, 1298. When they publish my article in the "Tolkien Studies" there will be another source for the Tolkien Gateway (I will inform you about the publication). Or you can quote the Tolkien Society website: https://www.tolkiensociety.org/author/biography/


:I don't know yet when I'll mail him, but I'll ask him. You can also mail him yourself, of course :). -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 08:46, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
"The name “Tolkien” (pron.: Tol-keen; equal stress on both syllables) was believed by the family (including Tolkien himself) to be of German origin; Toll-kühn: foolishly brave, or stupidly clever—hence the pseudonym “Oxymore” which he occasionally used; however, this quite probably was a German rationalisation of an originally Baltic Tolkyn, or Tolkīn. In any case, his great-great grandfather John (Johann) Benjamin Tolkien came to Britain with his brother Daniel from Gdańsk in about 1772 and rapidly became thoroughly Anglicised."


::I didn't know how to contact him.  Besides, he and I have never been acquainted in a wiki-working interaction. I'd be a stranger who was feature-begging. - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 20:55, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
I am very weak as a Wikipedist. I don't understand the language of the coding in here. Please, help me.


:::I have so much free time now (a cold took my voice away and a sprained ankle) that I keep forgetting to mail him. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 22:19, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
= 2018 =
== Lots of time to learn, my boy ==


== Main Page ==
It is clear you bring your own view, only, to this Wiki.


Hi, could you make another article the next improvement drive article? I think [[Barad-dûr]] has improved quite much and although the "Portrayal in adaptations" section lacks some information about the earlier films I think that we should take the next article on the Main Page. What do you think?
A moderator's task is to intervene when new users first stray from your narrow course.
A few suggestions: [[Angband]], [[Battle of Dagorlad]], [[Bywater]], [[Dale]], [[Glaurung]], [[Peter Jackson]], [[Mount Doom]], [[Treebeard]], [[Tuor]] -- [[User:Eldarion Telcontar|Eldarion Telcontar]] 23:23, 6 March 2010 (UTC)


:I've been meaning to do the Adaptations section but I keep forgetting. Since I only now realize I'm already already half an hour into Sunday, let me just say I'll do it this afternoon.
Not after much effort.


:As for the new one, my vote's for [[Tuor]]. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 23:27, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
This is clearly habitual.


::I was just about to suggest Tuor! Great minds... --{{User:Mith/sig}} 00:13, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Now I see why so many Wiki's exist on this topic.


:::Great! Then let's take Tuor. -- [[User:Eldarion Telcontar|Eldarion Telcontar]] 08:49, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Some even allow flexibility and detail.


You are young and I hope you have the time to really understand Tolkien's great Work.


== Games ==
There seems to be a lot of Noldor in your ATTITUDE.


hey
But it's YOUR Wiki, so...


Ringen is a LOTR-game. So maybe the link has to stay on the games-year article.
[[User:Fudoki|Fudoki]] 21:00, 31 March 2018 (UTC)


--[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 17:13, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
:So much for the skin of Ironfoot. Wait, was the skin of Ironfoot ever mentioned? Guess not. Silly me.
:I admire that you want to help out. But putting in effort does not automatically mean it's a well-written summary of the life of Fingon. It was practically unsalvageable, a jumbled collection of clauses.
:I'm not young by most standards, and I'm more Dwarf than Noldo. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:16, 31 March 2018 (UTC)


:Already reverted it. I'm busy cleaning everything up. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 17:14, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
== "Other" label ==
:: okay, I'm adding the game called Shadowfax here. --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 17:15, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


== .mp3 ==
You wrote "again, this is not what Other is for" in the Elured and Elurin articles... So I repeat what I asked in the Talk:Elwing page: Given the fact that Eluréd, Elurín and Elwing present some difficulties in being classified in terms of elf/man/half-elf, why not use a neutral label? Despite the name "other", the label is an empty one, the character in question is not put in some list of "strange races" or nothing like that. See [[Falathar]] and companions: they were elves or men, but we don't know exactly what they are, so the "other" label was applied in their articles. If you insist this is wrong, I think a third way should be find, because the "elf" label doesn't seem right to me: Dior was mortal, your sons couldn't be elves. [[User:Haran|Haran]] 19:31, 1 July 2018 (UTC)


How can you upload .mp3, because I tried to upload a mp3-file and didn't work, it said it was the wrong file.
:Those two are three quarters Elf. They're more Elvish than Half-elves. And even Half-elves are still identified by their Elvenness (they're not called Half-men) so giving them a undetermined elf infobox is still better than lumping them with "race unknown" and "race too small for their own infobox". --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 11:37, 2 July 2018 (UTC)


En zou de grootte van het bestand kunnen verhoogd, voor een dag ofzo. Dan kan ik een paar liedjes van Blind Guardian uploaden zodat ze gelijk te beluisteren zijn. --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 14:00, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
::  You explore a very subjective line of argumentation, percentage of elvish blood and the word "half-elf"... I don't see why this so personal thinking would be better, instead of a neutral label - "race unknown" and "race too small for their own infobox" is another subjective vision of yours, nothing in the box says that - or even a “sinda” label, for example... But whatever, I think you had a pet peeve with my editions since the beginning, reverting them and writing hardly nothing, and now have found a new way to continue disagreeing - particularly because this argumentation of yours is a new one, you insisted earlier on restoring the "half-elf" label, and, indeed, you replaced Elurín in the Category:Half-Elves and it still remain so... [[User:Haran|Haran]] 21:07, 2 July 2018 (UTC)


:Hele liedjes is geen fair use. .ogg en .mp3 zouden gewoon moeten werken - er staan er al [[:Category:Pronunciations|heel wat op de wiki]]. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 14:10, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
== Unnecessary block? ==


== My Source ==
What did you block [[User:JaquelineKitchen]] for? She (I'm assuming it is "she") had not done anything wrong...--[[User:DoctorWellington|DoctorWellington]] 14:27, 25 July 2018 (UTC)


Ok, you recently sent me a message explaining why you ''deleted'' (not very grateful about that) the pages I wrote.
:It's a spambot. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 14:32, 25 July 2018 (UTC)


Well, my source is a book I checked out a few weeks ago (before I discovered this site) called something like "Tolkien's World". It explained the history of Arda, but was not writen by any member of the Tolkien family, but by a close "associate", so I don't know how accurate it is.
::Okay, I understand now. Thanks for expalaining. --[[User:DoctorWellington|DoctorWellington]] 13:23, 27 July 2018 (UTC)


The pages I wrote is based on a series of maps within the books, the first being a ''complete'' map of Arda, witch was divided into four continents: Aman, Hyarmenor, Middle-Earth and Eastland. Middle-Earth was inturn divided into Endor (the northern half) and Harad (the southern half).
== Verwijder mijn gebruikersnaam AUB ==


After that map, there were five more maps - one of Aman, Hyarmenor, Eastland, Endor and Harad. The map of Endor realy grabbed my attention, because is showed the region of Middle-Earth (in detail!) east of Rhûn. Apparently, Rhûn goes on untill the Red Mountains (labelled "Orocarni") and an unnamed river that flows north-south from there down into the Enegaer (Inner Sea - can not believe that this site does not name it). This region is labelled "Rómen" (with "The East Lands" writen below in brackets - should not be confused with the ''continent'' "Eastland"). The region of Rohan, Rhûn and Rhovanion (everything between the Misty (I think) and Red Mountains) is labeled "Central Endor".
Verwijder mijn gebruikersnaam AUB. Ik heb valide informative toegevoegd. Vervolgens wordt dit verwijderd. Daar heb ik geen zin in. Dan maar niet. {{unsigned|PeterNC}}


The map also names the north most region "Formenor" with "The Northern Waste" writen below in brackets (like with Rómen - this probably implies that the region has an alternative name).
:Er zijn zoveel fans wereldwijd dat we toch enige grenzen moeten stellen. Mensen die boeken of artikelen gepubliceerd hebben krijgen voorrang.
:Ik heb nog geprobeerd om het te herschrijven, maar er was bar weinig aan te doen. Sommige delen waren woord voor woord (en dode link voor dode link) overgenomen van [[Haradrim (Tolkien Society)]] en andere waren niet meer dan reclame. Dat het valide is betekent niet dat wij het in de aangeboden vorm maar moeten gebruiken. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 14:59, 7 August 2018 (UTC)


After looking around in Google images, I managed to find a version of the full map of Arda, though it is coloured differently and is labeled unlike in the book:
== parabombing what?! ==


[[image:John Ohara - Arda in the Second Age.jpg|right|150px]]
But what the matter with my edits??? They are not vandalism, this is a fact that spiders don't have stingers, if Shelob was born in the First Age, she's obviously several millenia old, and square kilometer converting is also useful for somebody not mastering well Anglo-Saxon metric system. Not every statement needs sourcing, it would be nonsense. [[Special:Contributions/193.54.167.180|193.54.167.180]] 18:37, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
Middle-Earth is dreadfully mis-labeled, though. The "Formenor", "Endor" and "Harad" labels are correct (though Endor and Harad should be writen larger to show that they are the names of a group of regions). Also, "Hither Lands" wasn't writen there. Instead, "Middle-Earth" was writen in the centre of the continent in large letters.


Everything else is basically exactly as shown on the map in the book. I was unable to find the exact map or the detailed maps of the conitinents.
:The age needs to be a number. Even if an approximation, it needs to be written out in numbers with the source in a ref and any explanation in a note.
:Is there any source spiders don't have stingers in Middle-earth?
:It's not the "Anglo-Saxon metric system". Or the Imperial system, as it's actually mean (it's not metric). The mentioned measures are the translation convention Tolkien used for the [[Lár]]/league and the [[Ranga]]/yard, and presumably other units of measurement too. A mile in the real world is a third of a league, and that's usually used in analysis of scale, but as the Númenorean reckoning was decimal, one could question whether they had a "mile" equivalent, or if they used tenths of leagues or fifths or something. But miles were the terms Tolkien used. Not kilometers. Strictly speaking, I'm not sure if the term "square mile" is even used. I've removed the comparison of real world countries because this minute difference.
:Parabombing is the wiki practice of plonking a sentence within parentheses in the middle of a paragraph, without regard for what it does for the sentence. If you cannot work it into the section in a natural, readable way, don't add it. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 19:29, 15 November 2018 (UTC)


Do you think that counts as a reliable source? -- [[User:Explorer of Arda|Explorer of Arda]] 19:16, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
= 2019 =
==Spammer Problem and Trying to Fix It==


:You're going to have to be a bit more specific - there's at least six books going by the name "[[Tolkien's World (disambiguation)|Tolkien's World]]". I know for a fact that it's not in Helms' book or ''Paintings of Middle-earth''. I haven't read Day's books, but he has a reputation for making stuff up. None of the authors are "close associates" of the Tolkien family. It wouldn't have mattered either way.
Hi Ederchil, I've been trying to restore the infobox on the [[Wizards]] article after [[Special:Contributions/66.203.18.47|66.203.18.47]] spammed it and then restored it to normal, but I can't find the template. Also, I've seen that this user has been consistently spamming and restoring articles, and that is definitely a rotten thing to do. Can you help me? Thank you! -- {{User:Holdwine Meriadoc/sig}}


:The only full World map Tolkien made can be found in "[[The Shaping of Middle-earth]]". It does not contain the names "Formenor" or "Eastland". A quick google search on either term only results in fan fic sites. They're not in the index of ''[[The History of Middle-earth]]'', the ''Reader's Companion'', or the "major" reference works by [[Robert Foster]] and [[J.E.A. Tyler]].  
Also, he completely messed up the entire article, and I've been trying to revert his edits. It's not working, though. -- {{User:Holdwine Meriadoc/sig}}


:As in terms of reliable, if it's not primary (i.e. by Tolkien himself) it's ''caveat lector''. If it cites a source, double check. If it doesn't, double check anyway. Can't find it? Don't add it. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:35, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Never mind, I fixed it, but I'm still concerned about this user. --{{User:Holdwine Meriadoc/sig}}


::Ah. But I just want to know something. This site doesn't mention the Eastern or Inner Sea (as far as I know of) at all, though they appear in the inacurate map suplied. I know that there are some pages on this site with something at the top that says the page is speculative/inaccurate, so couldn't the pages relating to the above mentioned regions/seas be topped with that? -- [[User:Explorer of Arda|Explorer of Arda]] 19:16, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
:Done. An easy way to fix it is just go to the page's history and edit and save the last version from before the vandalism. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:10, 24 January 2019 (UTC)


:::I think you mean [[:Template:Noncanon|this template]]. That's for stuff from ''The History of Middle-earth''. Meaning it did come from Tolkien, but he abandoned or revised the concept, or it doesn't fit into later work. Or [[:Template:Fanon|this template]], which concerns wide-spread fanon and unlicensed adaptations. Or [[:template:Adaptation|this one]], for licensed adaptations like movies, games and [[MERP]]. But without the source, I can't tell if it's any of them. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 19:07, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
::Bedankt voor de hulp(Please excuse my unprofessional Dutch)! I hope I'm not being too much of a pest; that's what happens when a 14-year-old signs up on a Tolkien wiki. --{{User:Holdwine Meriadoc/sig}}


:::P.S. You can sign by typing four tildes: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>
== Article Image Question ==


::::Yes. That's what I mean.
Hi Ederchil, can you look [[Talk:Meriadoc Brandybuck|here]] really quickly and give your opinion on it? Thanks! —{{User:Holdwine Meriadoc/sig}} 00:20, 19 Feb 2019 (UTC)


::::Oh, and thanks for the tip! ^^
== Discrepancies on Arvegil ==


::::Anyway, do you know if Tolkien ever made a complete map like that? if so, I'd love to see it. For now, I think I'll keep the fanon version of Arda in my own augmented reality of it. -- [[User:Explorer of Arda|Explorer of Arda]] 19:16, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
So just how do you propose to acknowledge that the published text of TLotR leaves no room for the birth year or lifespan attributed to Arvegil by "The Heirs of Elendil" to be correct?...letting the latter stand uncontradicted is just unconscionable.[[Special:Contributions/12.144.5.2|12.144.5.2]] 15:57, 18 August 2019 (UTC)


:::::The only thing closely resembling a map is a pencil sketch in ''[[The Shaping of Middle-earth]]''. The shapes of the continents are consistent with the map above, but it's a very rough sketch, nowhere near as detailed as the other maps. [[:Image:Arda001.gif|Here it is.]]
:We generally have "Other versions of the Legendarium" as a section header for any out-of-universe information. But that wasn't the only issue. Sources need to be in-line with [[:Category:Citation templates|specific citation templates]], and it should just be a mention of the discrepancy, without a conclusion about its canonicity.
:And you should never start anything with "It should be noted". --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 17:51, 18 August 2019 (UTC)


:::::Also, I deleted your image as it turns out it was already uploaded. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 19:26, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
::Hi, I just rewrite the edit, so it fixes the TG style and article structure. I recommend Mr.12.144.5.2 to read TG policy on canonicity before saying what's canon. I leave to the admins to let be my edit or not, as I don't have those book editions, so I can't check them or cite them properly. It should be rewrite anyways, I know my English is not the best, but it took me a while to understand the issue with a whole paragraph in just one sentence. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 17:58, 18 August 2019 (UTC)


::::::That's fine. I've allready saved the image to my PC! ^^
:::That did not address any of the style issues. It was the same text with just a header, no markup or style changes. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:17, 19 August 2019 (UTC)


::::::As for the pencil-map, I see that it must be from a time quite a while before the third age, since Beleraid is still there, the Sea of Helcar hasn't dried up yet and the Misty Mountains haven't formed yet. Harad, Hyemenor, Eastland and Aman are basically the same, though.
::::I did the markup and removed some ideas. May the anonymous editor rewrite it if he is so interested, I won't.--[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 20:35, 19 August 2019 (UTC)


::::::You sea the mountain range running north-south east of the Sea of Helcar (the inland sea in the middle of Middle-Earth)? Those are the Red Mountains. East of that (apparently) lies Rómen and west of that lies what is to become the regions of Middle-Earth seen in The Lord of the Rings.
:::::Removed [http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Arvegil&curid=1320&diff=306264&oldid=306218 the lot]. The Aragorn comparison wasn't in the original source anyway. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 07:14, 21 August 2019 (UTC)


::::::The sea that separates Middle-Earth from Hyemenor (aka The Dark Land) is (apparently) called ''Enegaer'' (the "Inner Sea"), while the sea that separates Middle-Earth and Hyemanor from Eastland (the cresent-shaped continent to the far east) is called the "East Sea".
==User name==
Hi, would it be possible to change my username, please? I first wanted to edit a few things, became addicted to edition and now it feels weird seeing my name everywhere. If it's not possible or too difficult, it doesn't matter, I'll keep editing anyways. Thank you very much.--[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 20:41, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
:It should be possible, but I'm not sure how. Ask [[User:Mith|Mith]].--{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:04, 19 August 2019 (UTC)


::::::Say, now that I come to think of it, does this site have pages on how the Misty Mountains were formed? Because (according to the map you provided) there was once a time when they didn't yet exist. -- [[User:Explorer of Arda|Explorer of Arda]] 19:40, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
== Complaiment ==


The Misty Mountains were formed by Morgoth, hoping to delay the Elves on their great march West. That was after Aulë created all the other mountains. The map shows Arda at its creation. No other full world maps exist.
Why did you delete all of my editings? Do you have any problem with me? Do you have any idea how much time it took me to upload these images? {{unsigned|Gegou}}


I know where the Orocarni are; it's just that Hyarmenor, Romen and Enegaer are unattested in Tolkien's own work. They're later fabrications by I don't know whom. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 19:44, 29 March 2010 (UTC)


:Of course! *Facepalm* I knew that!
:I have no issue with you, don't worry. I also didn't delete all your additions; I've kept the [[Talion]] article. As for the images, they did not meet the [[Tolkien Gateway:Image policy|standards we've set for them]]. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 14:57, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
::What do you mean?Can I upload images without deleting them?{{unsigned|Gegou}}


:Anyway, so Tolkien origionally left those regions unnamed? Did he atleast name the ''seas''? I know he atleast named the Outer and Great Seas, but I want to know if he also named The East and Inner Seas (the "Inner Sea" being Enegaer). -- [[User:Explorer of Arda|Explorer of Arda]] 19:57, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
:::Have you read the image policy?--{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 22:52, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
So, what do you think about these new images that I have uploaded? {{unsigned|Gegou }}


::The East Sea is the sea between Harad and the Dark Land. The Sea between the Dark Land and the Walls of the Sun is not named. I can't find any indication that Tolkien came up with "Inner Sea" or "Enegaer". -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:05, 29 March 2010 (UTC)


:::Ah. Guese the auther of the book I read (aswell as the map) realy ''did'' make stuff up. A shame, realy. It's also quite a shame that Tolkien never finished the naming prosses, but, meh, we can leave that to his decendants.
:Better. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 17:21, 30 August 2019 (UTC)


:::Well, that's all I need to know. Thanks! ^^ -- [[User:Explorer of Arda|Explorer of Arda]] 20:16, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
== Chills ==
Greetings! --'''[[User:Chills|<span style="color:grey">Chills</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Chills|Talk to me!]]) 14:21, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

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Archive[edit source]

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2017[edit source]

Discussion[edit source]

Hello.I would like to discuss about something here.

Discussions[edit source]

Let's talk about it here, here and here.Unsigned comment by 2.86.255.128 (talk).

I would like to be discussed something generally.Read here.Unsigned comment by 2.86.255.128 (talk).

It should be mentioned in any way that Ravenhill was the place of the final duel between Thorin and Azog in the films. Unsigned comment by 2.86.255.128 (talk).

It should be mentioned in a way that resembles English. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 18:36, 4 January 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Why don't you put in your own way? I mean you can write it in your own way (the fact that in Ravendill happened the final confrontation between Thorin and Azog). Unsigned comment by 2.86.255.128 (talk).


I've done that for roughly 80% of what you've added so far. Please improve your English. This is not optional. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 19:43, 4 January 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Complaint and Discussions[edit source]

Fool.Why did you do that? After all I have done? After all the editings that I have done in Tolkien Gateway;Is this the way you thank me? By blogging me; Is this how you thank the others for their contribitions here? By blogging them? Congratulations.Congratulations.You should be given an award for that.This is the way you thank the others.By blogging them.Right?You are an asshole.If the only thing you know what to do is blogging them and not discussing with them, then do it again. OK? Well done.--2.86.255.128 20:25, 05 January 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Blogging is writing a weblog. What I did was blocking you. Because I've had to clean up all your edits, and you still continued. Don't you look at how I (and others) rewrite your contributions? Don't you learn from that? Don't you see what we remove all the time, what we keep and what we rewrite? --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 21:37, 5 January 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Next time I would like FIRST to discuss these problems with me.OK? Unsigned comment by 2.86.255.128 (talk).


I indicated your English was below par before. You make a mess, I clean it up. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 10:16, 6 January 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Why did you delete my editings on page Beorn's Hall?I am telling the truth about the filming of Beorn's Hall (where it was shot).You can check it.I am not lying. Unsigned comment by 2.86.255.128 (talk).

Also, why did you delete my editings on talk page about Tauriel(I am talking about this page:Talk:Tauriel)? This my opinion. OK? Can't I say my opinion about her fate now? This is just my opinion about her fate.OK? Unsigned comment by 2.86.255.128 (talk).

Didn't I explain enough? The English is too poor to be usable. It's not a fun thing for me to say to you, but if I don't, you'll never improve. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 18:47, 6 January 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

All these games that I added on Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment do exist.Why didn't you put these games on this page earlier? Before me no-one else had ever said about these games on Tolkien Gateway. You could have mentioned these games earlier on Tolkien Gateway, but you didn't.Why? Unsigned comment by 2.86.255.128 (talk).

I'm largely retired from active content editing. I still do clean up work, though. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 07:24, 9 January 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Why?Why are you retired from active content editing? You can still create pages on Tolkien Gateway.Don't be so pessimistic about yourself. Unsigned comment by 2.86.255.128 (talk).

About my edit[edit source]

Why did you undo my edit on the nazgul page? When you actually look at the battle of the morannon, you can actually see a wraith falling of his steed during the battle (A screenshot of the wraith in question)

Not complaining about anything here, just asking--LordAndSaviourSauron 18:42, 1 February 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"They are taken out" covers the scene. Whether one was alive or dead is speculation. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 19:06, 1 February 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ah okay. Also tbh i wonder what would happen if one survived the destruction of the ring--LordAndSaviourSauron 04:19, 2 February 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Battle under the Trees[edit source]

First of all, thanks for reminding me not to capitalize under. Obviously a bit miffed you deleted it so quickly, but admittedly there was a bit of conjecture in it. I would point out that by putting 'maybe' I clearly labled my conjecture, whereas there are plenty of articles that don't, for example: 'The battle was incredibly important in the course of the War of the Ring: if Sauron's Easterling armies had beaten the Dwarves and Men of Dale, they would have been able to join up with Sauron's forces from Dol Guldur in their attacks on the Woodland Realm of Mirkwood and Lothlórien, tipping the scales in favor of Mordor.' I don't see how saying that Thranduil's army in Mirkwood would have probably exceeded that in 2941 is much more problematic. Anyway, what I'm proposing is that I write a more basic version of the article, then submit it to you or another administrator before saving it. Frankly, the Gateway's current stuff on the War of the Ring is pretty poor, and we could really do with a few short articles on the battles. The current War template leaves out half the conflict. It's fair enough to get rid of conjecture, but I'll happily do that for you. Unsigned comment by Hazad (talk • contribs).

I didn't delete it quickly - not as quickly as I've deleted other articles. I was busy copy editing it, fixing the sources and everything, but without all the speculation, there really wasn't much of a history section left. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 05:23, 1 April 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hazad: IIRC, there was a discussion about having an article about a "Battle under the Trees" a couple of years ago, ultimately reaching a consensus similar to Michael Martinez' thoughts on the subject. Thus, if there are details missing about the battle(s) in Mirkwood, I would advise adding these to the history section of Mirkwood. --Morgan 06:41, 1 April 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

OK, thanks for getting back to me. I have read that Martinez article and to be honest I think it's a bit below his usual standards, in that when Tolkien writes 'battle under the trees' he is clearly referring to Mirkwood in particular, rather than Mirkwood and Lorien. But anyhow no matter. While I'm asking, why is the War of the Elves and Sauron page protected, when it's marked as in need of expansion? (really needs to be added to, the only reference is Appendix B)

What did I do wrong with the Warg matriarch image?[edit source]

No offense but i seriously have no idea what you meant with "no source" when you deleted the image

As for the infobox, i couldnt do much better since im on an ipad and the editing interface doesnt work that well on my ipad--LordAndSaviourSauron 19:47, 26 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

All images need a source category and subject categories. I deleted that one because I couldn't guess which of the three it was from. You like it? You source it. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 20:38, 26 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh now i get it. Guess ill reupload it tomorrow since i know where its from--LordAndSaviourSauron 21:01, 26 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And the other two images? what was wrong with those? Unsigned comment by LordAndSaviourSauron (talk • contribs).


Duplicates of each other, and no point to illustrate it on the article. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 16:34, 27 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh, but idk if an image of how the eye appears in the hobbit would actually be pointless, since it looks quite different than what the eye looked like in LOTR.--LordAndSaviourSauron 20:33, 27 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It looked fairly similar. If they're different, describe the differences on the relevant page. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 20:36, 27 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Limpe[edit source]

Hi, I was adding some information on the drink Limpe which is canon. Look it up. And it's not copyrighted. I have the darn link right here as proof.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictional_food_and_drink_in_Middle-earth#Limp.C3.ABSo could you kindly tell me the reason for the deletion please? Unsigned comment by Tolkienfan31 (talk • contribs).

It had no source, no proper layout, no proper markup, the wrong title, no categories... It wasn't an article, it was juse a random line. There's more to an article than being right or wrong. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 04:44, 25 August 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

About my talk page[edit source]

Just blanked it cause the discussions on it didn’t really have a point anymore and to make space for new stuff--Hail melkor? 16:03, 20 October 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's a public record of all communications to you. There's no need to "archive" it unless it's really a long page. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 16:39, 20 October 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Also why are you editing my signature?--Hail melkor? 15:50, 22 October 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Do not use "Heil". Ever. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 16:04, 22 October 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The way I’m using it is a joke tho (it’s a parody)--Hail melkor? 16:18, 22 October 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That is not a joking matter. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 16:32, 22 October 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Whatever--Insert unfunny orc joke here 16:01, 23 October 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Tolkien Ancestry[edit source]

Hi!

I would like to ask if it is possible to update all entries concerning the Tolkien Family history. My research in the Tolkien genealogy has changed a lot in this matter. See for instance here:

http://tolkniety.blogspot.com/2017/05/john-benjamin-tolkien-1753-1819-summary.html

Now we are 100% sure that first two Tolkiens in London were brothers, sons of Christian and Anna Euphrosina Tolkien from Petershagen in Gdańsk (German Danzig). The Professor's great-great-grandfather was born in June 1752 and was baptized in St Salvator Lutheran church in Gdańsk. His brother emmigrated in 1766 first to Amsterdam, then in 1770 to London. His younger brother, Johann Benjamin joined him in ca. 1772. Both brothers married the English girls and Daniel became furrie and John Benjamin a clock and watch maker.

Their father was born in Kreuzburg, East Prussia in 1706. We know also the other generations:

The Tolkien family from Prussia (15th-17th c.)|Michel Tolkien (b. ca. 1620, Globuhnen by Kreuzburg, Prussia)|Christianus Tolkien (1663-1746, Kreuzburg, Kingdom of Prussia)|Christian Tolkien (b. 1706 in Kreuzburg, d. 1791 in Gdańsk, Polish Prussia)= Anna Euphrosina Tolkien, née Bergholtz (1719-1792)|Johann (John) Benjamin Tolkien (b. 1752 in Gdańsk, d. 1819 in London)|George Tolkien (1784-1840) |John Benjamin Tolkien(1807-1896)|Arthur Reuel Tolkien(1857-1896)|John Ronald Reuel Tolkien(1892-1973)

The Tolkien family name belongs to a big Prussian family of names with the ending -in, -yn, -ien, -iehn and comes from Tolk-īn 'a descendant of Tolk'. Tolk is a Prussian name meaning 'translator, negotiator'

The Tolkiens in the 16th-18th centuries lives in East Prussia. You will not find the Tolkiens in Saxony, because it is a Prussian family of medieval roots in the Teutonic State. Unsigned comment by Galadhorn (talk • contribs).

The current text is what Tolkien himself believed to be the origin of his family and family name. He mentioned it multiple times - Letter 165 and Letter 324, for example. He explicitly dismisses the association with Tolk- ("interpreter", "spokesman") in Letter 349. Even if that blog were true - I'm not saying it isn't - outright removing the current text and replacing it with things that contradict it is not the way to go. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 16:45, 22 November 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I am sorry. I am not a Wikipedist, I have problems with proper editing in the places like this. I undestrand, Ederchil your position. The clue is that Professor Tolkien couldn't know things we know today. My research is known to the Tolkien family today, it is already accepted by the Tolkien Society (see their website) and is included in the newest "The J.R.R. Tolkien. Companion and Guide". I spent last year in the archives to find the truth about the Tolkien genealogy. Only you know how to enter the information from me into your Tolkien Gateway. Plese, think about including the information about the roots in Gdańsk and East Prussia. And about the alternative etymology of the Tolkien family name. Unsigned comment by Galadhorn (talk • contribs).

I have no problems with including it, as long as it is properly sourced and the current is not removed. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 21:23, 22 November 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Can you help me with it, Ederchil? As a source you can cite Ch. Scull, W. G. Hammond, "The J.R.R. Tolkien Companion and Guide" (2017), G 828, 1298. When they publish my article in the "Tolkien Studies" there will be another source for the Tolkien Gateway (I will inform you about the publication). Or you can quote the Tolkien Society website: https://www.tolkiensociety.org/author/biography/

"The name “Tolkien” (pron.: Tol-keen; equal stress on both syllables) was believed by the family (including Tolkien himself) to be of German origin; Toll-kühn: foolishly brave, or stupidly clever—hence the pseudonym “Oxymore” which he occasionally used; however, this quite probably was a German rationalisation of an originally Baltic Tolkyn, or Tolkīn. In any case, his great-great grandfather John (Johann) Benjamin Tolkien came to Britain with his brother Daniel from Gdańsk in about 1772 and rapidly became thoroughly Anglicised."

I am very weak as a Wikipedist. I don't understand the language of the coding in here. Please, help me.

2018[edit source]

Lots of time to learn, my boy[edit source]

It is clear you bring your own view, only, to this Wiki.

A moderator's task is to intervene when new users first stray from your narrow course.

Not after much effort.

This is clearly habitual.

Now I see why so many Wiki's exist on this topic.

Some even allow flexibility and detail.

You are young and I hope you have the time to really understand Tolkien's great Work.

There seems to be a lot of Noldor in your ATTITUDE.

But it's YOUR Wiki, so...

Fudoki 21:00, 31 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

So much for the skin of Ironfoot. Wait, was the skin of Ironfoot ever mentioned? Guess not. Silly me.
I admire that you want to help out. But putting in effort does not automatically mean it's a well-written summary of the life of Fingon. It was practically unsalvageable, a jumbled collection of clauses.
I'm not young by most standards, and I'm more Dwarf than Noldo. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 21:16, 31 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"Other" label[edit source]

You wrote "again, this is not what Other is for" in the Elured and Elurin articles... So I repeat what I asked in the Talk:Elwing page: Given the fact that Eluréd, Elurín and Elwing present some difficulties in being classified in terms of elf/man/half-elf, why not use a neutral label? Despite the name "other", the label is an empty one, the character in question is not put in some list of "strange races" or nothing like that. See Falathar and companions: they were elves or men, but we don't know exactly what they are, so the "other" label was applied in their articles. If you insist this is wrong, I think a third way should be find, because the "elf" label doesn't seem right to me: Dior was mortal, your sons couldn't be elves. Haran 19:31, 1 July 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Those two are three quarters Elf. They're more Elvish than Half-elves. And even Half-elves are still identified by their Elvenness (they're not called Half-men) so giving them a undetermined elf infobox is still better than lumping them with "race unknown" and "race too small for their own infobox". --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 11:37, 2 July 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You explore a very subjective line of argumentation, percentage of elvish blood and the word "half-elf"... I don't see why this so personal thinking would be better, instead of a neutral label - "race unknown" and "race too small for their own infobox" is another subjective vision of yours, nothing in the box says that - or even a “sinda” label, for example... But whatever, I think you had a pet peeve with my editions since the beginning, reverting them and writing hardly nothing, and now have found a new way to continue disagreeing - particularly because this argumentation of yours is a new one, you insisted earlier on restoring the "half-elf" label, and, indeed, you replaced Elurín in the Category:Half-Elves and it still remain so... Haran 21:07, 2 July 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Unnecessary block?[edit source]

What did you block User:JaquelineKitchen for? She (I'm assuming it is "she") had not done anything wrong...--DoctorWellington 14:27, 25 July 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's a spambot. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 14:32, 25 July 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Okay, I understand now. Thanks for expalaining. --DoctorWellington 13:23, 27 July 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Verwijder mijn gebruikersnaam AUB[edit source]

Verwijder mijn gebruikersnaam AUB. Ik heb valide informative toegevoegd. Vervolgens wordt dit verwijderd. Daar heb ik geen zin in. Dan maar niet. Unsigned comment by PeterNC (talk • contribs).

Er zijn zoveel fans wereldwijd dat we toch enige grenzen moeten stellen. Mensen die boeken of artikelen gepubliceerd hebben krijgen voorrang.
Ik heb nog geprobeerd om het te herschrijven, maar er was bar weinig aan te doen. Sommige delen waren woord voor woord (en dode link voor dode link) overgenomen van Haradrim (Tolkien Society) en andere waren niet meer dan reclame. Dat het valide is betekent niet dat wij het in de aangeboden vorm maar moeten gebruiken. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 14:59, 7 August 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

parabombing what?![edit source]

But what the matter with my edits??? They are not vandalism, this is a fact that spiders don't have stingers, if Shelob was born in the First Age, she's obviously several millenia old, and square kilometer converting is also useful for somebody not mastering well Anglo-Saxon metric system. Not every statement needs sourcing, it would be nonsense. 193.54.167.180 18:37, 15 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The age needs to be a number. Even if an approximation, it needs to be written out in numbers with the source in a ref and any explanation in a note.
Is there any source spiders don't have stingers in Middle-earth?
It's not the "Anglo-Saxon metric system". Or the Imperial system, as it's actually mean (it's not metric). The mentioned measures are the translation convention Tolkien used for the Lár/league and the Ranga/yard, and presumably other units of measurement too. A mile in the real world is a third of a league, and that's usually used in analysis of scale, but as the Númenorean reckoning was decimal, one could question whether they had a "mile" equivalent, or if they used tenths of leagues or fifths or something. But miles were the terms Tolkien used. Not kilometers. Strictly speaking, I'm not sure if the term "square mile" is even used. I've removed the comparison of real world countries because this minute difference.
Parabombing is the wiki practice of plonking a sentence within parentheses in the middle of a paragraph, without regard for what it does for the sentence. If you cannot work it into the section in a natural, readable way, don't add it. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 19:29, 15 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

2019[edit source]

Spammer Problem and Trying to Fix It[edit source]

Hi Ederchil, I've been trying to restore the infobox on the Wizards article after 66.203.18.47 spammed it and then restored it to normal, but I can't find the template. Also, I've seen that this user has been consistently spamming and restoring articles, and that is definitely a rotten thing to do. Can you help me? Thank you! -- Holdwine Meriadoc (Talk/Contribs/Edits)

Also, he completely messed up the entire article, and I've been trying to revert his edits. It's not working, though. -- Holdwine Meriadoc (Talk/Contribs/Edits)

Never mind, I fixed it, but I'm still concerned about this user. --Holdwine Meriadoc (Talk/Contribs/Edits)

Done. An easy way to fix it is just go to the page's history and edit and save the last version from before the vandalism. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 21:10, 24 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Bedankt voor de hulp(Please excuse my unprofessional Dutch)! I hope I'm not being too much of a pest; that's what happens when a 14-year-old signs up on a Tolkien wiki. --Holdwine Meriadoc (Talk/Contribs/Edits)

Article Image Question[edit source]

Hi Ederchil, can you look here really quickly and give your opinion on it? Thanks! —Holdwine Meriadoc (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 00:20, 19 Feb 2019 (UTC)

Discrepancies on Arvegil[edit source]

So just how do you propose to acknowledge that the published text of TLotR leaves no room for the birth year or lifespan attributed to Arvegil by "The Heirs of Elendil" to be correct?...letting the latter stand uncontradicted is just unconscionable.12.144.5.2 15:57, 18 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

We generally have "Other versions of the Legendarium" as a section header for any out-of-universe information. But that wasn't the only issue. Sources need to be in-line with specific citation templates, and it should just be a mention of the discrepancy, without a conclusion about its canonicity.
And you should never start anything with "It should be noted". --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 17:51, 18 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi, I just rewrite the edit, so it fixes the TG style and article structure. I recommend Mr.12.144.5.2 to read TG policy on canonicity before saying what's canon. I leave to the admins to let be my edit or not, as I don't have those book editions, so I can't check them or cite them properly. It should be rewrite anyways, I know my English is not the best, but it took me a while to understand the issue with a whole paragraph in just one sentence. --LorenzoCB 17:58, 18 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That did not address any of the style issues. It was the same text with just a header, no markup or style changes. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 20:17, 19 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I did the markup and removed some ideas. May the anonymous editor rewrite it if he is so interested, I won't.--LorenzoCB 20:35, 19 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Removed the lot. The Aragorn comparison wasn't in the original source anyway. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 07:14, 21 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User name[edit source]

Hi, would it be possible to change my username, please? I first wanted to edit a few things, became addicted to edition and now it feels weird seeing my name everywhere. If it's not possible or too difficult, it doesn't matter, I'll keep editing anyways. Thank you very much.--LorenzoCB 20:41, 19 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It should be possible, but I'm not sure how. Ask Mith.--Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 21:04, 19 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Complaiment[edit source]

Why did you delete all of my editings? Do you have any problem with me? Do you have any idea how much time it took me to upload these images? Unsigned comment by Gegou (talk • contribs).


I have no issue with you, don't worry. I also didn't delete all your additions; I've kept the Talion article. As for the images, they did not meet the standards we've set for them. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 14:57, 29 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
What do you mean?Can I upload images without deleting them?Unsigned comment by Gegou (talk • contribs).
Have you read the image policy?--Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 22:52, 29 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

So, what do you think about these new images that I have uploaded? Unsigned comment by Gegou (talk • contribs).


Better. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 17:21, 30 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Chills[edit source]

Greetings! --Chills (Talk to me!) 14:21, 24 January 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]