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== Discussion ==
==WITN release year==
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Just a little note, [[The Lord of the Rings: War in the North]] is published in [[2011]]. --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 13:59, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
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== Secret Vice ==
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Hi Ederchil! Why did you [http://www.tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=A_Secret_Vice&action=historysubmit&diff=186885&oldid=186884 revert this]? --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 21:25, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
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:Couple of reasons:
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* No markup.
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* No sources.
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* No composition.
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* Poor spelling.
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* POV. He begins "in a subtle fasion [sic]"? That's commentary.
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:Basically, that an article requires a rewrite does not mean we can accept anything. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:40, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
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::Well, I still think it was a pretty good summary (although especially suffering from a POV as you say, - but the poor spelling is easily fixed and if the POV is removed no sources would be needed as it would be only a summary). I'll have a go at editing the anonymous user's text.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 12:48, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
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:::It was more work than I expected ;-) --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 14:26, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
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== Vandalism ==
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I suspect you'll likely notice [http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Five_Armies&action=historysubmit&diff=191929&oldid=190658 this] anyhow, but I wanted to leave a note just in case.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]]
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:Sorry, full day of classes. Looks like Mith already has it. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 14:45, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
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== On Tolkien ==
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As far as I know, it hasn't been published yet.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 16:03, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
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== Noel ==
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IMHO, I don't think it's problematic to use Noel as a source in those cases where no other analyses of a name have appeared. Especially if we're clear about giving the reference and denoting the etymology as being a "suggestion". And if a new analysis appears, it's possible to see how olkien linguists have historically interpreted a certain word. I'd say it's a bit similar to "Portrayal in Adaptions": even if we don't think that this or that adaptation was authentic, we still include it for the sake of completeness. What do you think? --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 14:44, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
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:Normally I'd say true, but in this case, it's so obviously proven incorrect by later info that we'd best not mention it. I haven't checked the Etymologies, Elfling or PE yet for a more accurate etymology. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 14:51, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
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==Question==
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Hi I'm Vaire thanks for making my user page open for other people and a real page, and I have a question, on the user page how do you add the box on the side where you can describe yourself? You can tell me on my user page [[User:Vaire|Vaire]]
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Thank you, sorry about the mistakes I made in editing [[User:Vaire|Vaire]]
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Hello.I would like to discuss about something [[Talk:Battle of Fornost|here]].
  
I did what it said to do in the here but when I saved it just said all the things I typed, I did do it on my iPad if that makes a difference. [[User:Vaire|Vaire]]
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== Discussions ==
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Let's talk about it [[Talk:Quest of Erebor|here]], [[Talk:Arnor|here]] and [[User talk:2.86.255.128|here]].{{unsignedanon| 2.86.255.128}}
  
:I have no idea what you're trying to tell me. You tried what? --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 17:10, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
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I would like to be discussed something generally.Read [[User talk:2.86.255.128#Tolkien Gateway and The Hobbit film|here]].{{unsignedanon| 2.86.255.128}}
  
For the user info box I copied what it said on the link you gave me and filled it out and I saved it an my user page but the box did not come up it just said was I typed, but when I typed it I used my iPad, does that make I difference? [[User:Vaire|Vaire]]
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It should be mentioned in any way that  Ravenhill was the place of the final duel between Thorin and Azog in the films. {{unsignedanon| 2.86.255.128}}
  
:No, it went wrong because you typed the template instead of copy pasting it. Those vertical lines aren't capital I's. That's a "pipe", |. You can find it on uppercase \ on most keyboards, not sure about the iPad. I fixed it, it displays properly now. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:38, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
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:It should be mentioned in a way that resembles English. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:36, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
  
Thank you!! And I think that I can edit know [[User:Vaire|Vaire]]
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Why don't you put in your own way? I mean you can write it in your own way (the fact that in Ravendill happened the final confrontation between Thorin and Azog). {{unsignedanon| 2.86.255.128}}
  
:Please don't copy from Wikipedia. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:35, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 
  
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:I've done that for roughly 80% of what you've added so far. Please improve your English. This is not optional. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 19:43, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
  
Thank you for telling me about adding the catagorys when creating a page about a year. [[User:Vaire|Vaire]] 16:18, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
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== Complaint and Discussions ==
  
== New signs? ==
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Fool.Why did you do that? After all I have done? After all the editings that I have done in Tolkien Gateway;Is this the way you thank me? By blogging me; Is this how you thank the others for their contribitions here? By blogging them? Congratulations.Congratulations.You should be given an award for that.This is the way you thank the others.By blogging them.Right?You are an asshole.If the only thing you know what to do is blogging them and not discussing with them, then do it again. OK? Well done.--[[User talk:2.86.255.128|2.86.255.128]] 20:25, 05 January 2017 (UTC)
  
Perhaps add £ $ € to the insert box? I have neither of these on my keyboard.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 23:18, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
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:Blogging is writing a weblog. What I did was blocking you. Because I've had to clean up all your edits, and you still continued. Don't you look at how I (and others) rewrite your contributions? Don't you learn from that? Don't you see what we remove all the time, what we keep and what we rewrite? --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:37, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
  
:They're already on there. Okay, not the Dollar, but Pound and Euro are. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 07:24, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
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Next time I would like FIRST to discuss these problems with me.OK? {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}
  
== Deletion of old version of images ==
 
  
Could you delete the old versions of [[:File:Verlyn Flieger.jpg]] and [[:File:Ted Nasmith.jpg]]?--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 22:00, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
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:I indicated your English was below par before. You make a mess, I clean it up. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 10:16, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
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Why did you delete my editings on page Beorn's Hall?I am telling the truth about the filming of Beorn's Hall (where it was shot).You can check it.I am not lying. {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}
  
:Yes, yes I can. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 22:10, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
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Also, why did you delete my editings on talk page about Tauriel(I am talking about this page:[[Talk:Tauriel]])? This my opinion. OK? Can't I say my opinion about her fate now? This is just my opinion about her fate.OK? {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}
  
::Thanks!--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 22:56, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
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:Didn't I explain enough? The English is too poor to be usable. It's not a fun thing for me to say to you, but if I don't, you'll never improve. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:47, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
  
== Reverts on my edits to Fingon and Turgon. ==
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All these games that I added on Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment do exist.Why didn't you put these games on this page earlier? Before me no-one else had ever said about these games on Tolkien Gateway. You could have mentioned these games earlier on Tolkien Gateway, but you didn't.Why?  {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}
  
Hi there.
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:I'm largely retired from active content editing. I still do clean up work, though. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 07:24, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
Recently, I made some contribution to the Etymologies of Fingon and Turgon. The original writing did not give clear meanings, and just showed a lot of IPA. I made some proper edits to them, quoting from Tokien's works, showing the roots of all the different elements within their names. however, my edits appear to have been removed since i didn't reference the facts. This is not strictly true, since I wrote all the references to my information directly in the section. I just didn't show them as footnote references.
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Will you revert it? Should i add footnote references?
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--[[User:Reallyfat|Reallyfat]] 17:26, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
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Why?Why are you retired from active content editing? You can still create pages on Tolkien Gateway.Don't be so pessimistic about yourself. {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}
  
:Couple of points:
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== About my edit ==
:* Yes, inline notes are preferred. See [[Template:HM|here]] for all the sourcing templates.
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:* You should never, ever, use the first person on a wiki. "We know..." Aargh.
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:* Beginning a second paragraph with "Note that"... also a stylistic no no.
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:* The entire second paragraph of Fingon is incorrect. Caun is attested Sindarin, and it would become -gon.
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:So, it's not at all about sources... it's because cleaning up required too much work, and would eventually be no different from the original. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 17:34, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
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Right, thanks a lot. I will remove the second paragraph there and in Turgon., since i was not paying attention to "Caun". I wonder how I overlooked it? I was following the books all the way. Anyway, I will do that, and take care with the first person in future. Apart from that, can the translations remain up?
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Why did you undo my edit on the nazgul page? When you actually look at the battle of the morannon, you can actually see a wraith falling of his steed during the battle [http://cdn.roaring.earth/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Eagles-vs-Nazgul.png (A screenshot of the wraith in question)]
  
PS: What is wrong with saying "note that"?
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Not complaining about anything here, just asking--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 18:42, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
--[[User:Reallyfat|Reallyfat]] 17:56, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
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::"Note that" is almost without exception followed by something that is completely not worth noting. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 17:57, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
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:"They are taken out" covers the scene. Whether one was alive or dead is speculation. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 19:06, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
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::Ah okay. Also tbh i wonder what would happen if one survived the destruction of the ring--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 04:19, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
  
:::Haha, I don't buy that :) but in any case, an expression like "note that" is actually second person (imperative), which, like the first person, is unencyclopedic. An acceptable expression would be "It is worth noting/notable that..." (and no, it doesn't always precede a trivia :)) [[User:Sage|Sage]] 11:03, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
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== Battle under the Trees ==
  
Right. I will keep that in mind.
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First of all, thanks for reminding me not to capitalize under. Obviously a bit miffed you deleted it so quickly, but admittedly there was a bit of conjecture in it. I would point out that by putting 'maybe' I clearly labled my conjecture, whereas there are plenty of articles that don't, for example: 'The battle was incredibly important in the course of the War of the Ring: if Sauron's Easterling armies had beaten the Dwarves and Men of Dale, they would have been able to join up with Sauron's forces from Dol Guldur in their attacks on the Woodland Realm of Mirkwood and Lothlórien, tipping the scales in favor of Mordor.'
So, CAN I post my edits (with the amendments made)? I just want to putthe proper translations up, since these current ones aren't exactly correct. Plus, Sarafinwë is only from Parma Eldalamberon, It isn't even from Tolkien's works. {{unsigned|Reallyfat}}
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I don't see how saying that Thranduil's army in Mirkwood would have probably exceeded that in 2941 is much more problematic. Anyway, what I'm proposing is that I write a more basic version of the article, then submit it to you or another administrator before saving it. Frankly, the Gateway's current stuff on the War of the Ring is pretty poor, and we could really do with a few short articles on the battles. The current War template leaves out half the conflict. It's fair enough to get rid of conjecture, but I'll happily do that for you. {{unsigned|Hazad}}
  
:Parma Eldalamberon publishes works by Tolkien. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 14:00, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
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:I didn't delete it quickly - not as quickly as I've deleted other articles. I was busy copy editing it, fixing the sources and everything, but without all the speculation, there really wasn't much of a history section left. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 05:23, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
  
::Where in any version of the Legendarium, the old HoMe, or any of tolkiens letters is Sarafinwë mentioned? The only source we have is Parma Eldalamberon, Parma 17. --[[User:Reallyfat|Reallyfat]] 04:10, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
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::Hazad: IIRC, there was a discussion about having an article about a "Battle under the Trees" a couple of years ago, ultimately reaching a consensus similar to Michael Martinez' [http://middle-earth.xenite.org/2012/10/12/what-was-the-battle-of-mirkwood/ thoughts on the subject]. Thus, if there are details missing about the battle(s) in Mirkwood, I would advise adding these to the [[Mirkwood#History|history section of Mirkwood]]. --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 06:41, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
  
:::Hi Reallyfat, thanks so much for your recent contributions! I think Ederchil agrees that the source is from Parma Eldalamberon, but because it originates from Tolkien's own manuscripts, it's worth noting. Obviously it's not going to be considered as [[canon]] as other things, but as long as we reference it, we can let the reader decide. Thanks again for your help! --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 04:53, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
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OK, thanks for getting back to me. I have read that Martinez article and to be honest I think it's a bit below his usual standards, in that when Tolkien writes 'battle under the trees' he is clearly referring to Mirkwood in particular, rather than Mirkwood and Lorien. But anyhow no matter. While I'm asking, why is the War of the Elves and Sauron page protected, when it's marked as in need of expansion? (really needs to be added to, the only reference is Appendix B)

Latest revision as of 20:22, 1 April 2017

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[edit] Archive

January 12, 2008 - December 19, 2008
January 9, 2009 - December 23, 2009
January 9, 2010 - November 19, 2010
February 14, 2011 - December 14, 2011
February 15, 2012 - December 14, 2013
February 1, 2012 - September 6, 2016

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[edit] Discussion

Hello.I would like to discuss about something here.

[edit] Discussions

Let's talk about it here, here and here.Unsigned comment by 2.86.255.128 (talk).

I would like to be discussed something generally.Read here.Unsigned comment by 2.86.255.128 (talk).

It should be mentioned in any way that Ravenhill was the place of the final duel between Thorin and Azog in the films. Unsigned comment by 2.86.255.128 (talk).

It should be mentioned in a way that resembles English. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 18:36, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Why don't you put in your own way? I mean you can write it in your own way (the fact that in Ravendill happened the final confrontation between Thorin and Azog). Unsigned comment by 2.86.255.128 (talk).


I've done that for roughly 80% of what you've added so far. Please improve your English. This is not optional. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 19:43, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

[edit] Complaint and Discussions

Fool.Why did you do that? After all I have done? After all the editings that I have done in Tolkien Gateway;Is this the way you thank me? By blogging me; Is this how you thank the others for their contribitions here? By blogging them? Congratulations.Congratulations.You should be given an award for that.This is the way you thank the others.By blogging them.Right?You are an asshole.If the only thing you know what to do is blogging them and not discussing with them, then do it again. OK? Well done.--2.86.255.128 20:25, 05 January 2017 (UTC)

Blogging is writing a weblog. What I did was blocking you. Because I've had to clean up all your edits, and you still continued. Don't you look at how I (and others) rewrite your contributions? Don't you learn from that? Don't you see what we remove all the time, what we keep and what we rewrite? --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 21:37, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Next time I would like FIRST to discuss these problems with me.OK? Unsigned comment by 2.86.255.128 (talk).


I indicated your English was below par before. You make a mess, I clean it up. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 10:16, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Why did you delete my editings on page Beorn's Hall?I am telling the truth about the filming of Beorn's Hall (where it was shot).You can check it.I am not lying. Unsigned comment by 2.86.255.128 (talk).

Also, why did you delete my editings on talk page about Tauriel(I am talking about this page:Talk:Tauriel)? This my opinion. OK? Can't I say my opinion about her fate now? This is just my opinion about her fate.OK? Unsigned comment by 2.86.255.128 (talk).

Didn't I explain enough? The English is too poor to be usable. It's not a fun thing for me to say to you, but if I don't, you'll never improve. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 18:47, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

All these games that I added on Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment do exist.Why didn't you put these games on this page earlier? Before me no-one else had ever said about these games on Tolkien Gateway. You could have mentioned these games earlier on Tolkien Gateway, but you didn't.Why? Unsigned comment by 2.86.255.128 (talk).

I'm largely retired from active content editing. I still do clean up work, though. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 07:24, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Why?Why are you retired from active content editing? You can still create pages on Tolkien Gateway.Don't be so pessimistic about yourself. Unsigned comment by 2.86.255.128 (talk).

[edit] About my edit

Why did you undo my edit on the nazgul page? When you actually look at the battle of the morannon, you can actually see a wraith falling of his steed during the battle (A screenshot of the wraith in question)

Not complaining about anything here, just asking--LordAndSaviourSauron 18:42, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

"They are taken out" covers the scene. Whether one was alive or dead is speculation. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 19:06, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
Ah okay. Also tbh i wonder what would happen if one survived the destruction of the ring--LordAndSaviourSauron 04:19, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

[edit] Battle under the Trees

First of all, thanks for reminding me not to capitalize under. Obviously a bit miffed you deleted it so quickly, but admittedly there was a bit of conjecture in it. I would point out that by putting 'maybe' I clearly labled my conjecture, whereas there are plenty of articles that don't, for example: 'The battle was incredibly important in the course of the War of the Ring: if Sauron's Easterling armies had beaten the Dwarves and Men of Dale, they would have been able to join up with Sauron's forces from Dol Guldur in their attacks on the Woodland Realm of Mirkwood and Lothlórien, tipping the scales in favor of Mordor.' I don't see how saying that Thranduil's army in Mirkwood would have probably exceeded that in 2941 is much more problematic. Anyway, what I'm proposing is that I write a more basic version of the article, then submit it to you or another administrator before saving it. Frankly, the Gateway's current stuff on the War of the Ring is pretty poor, and we could really do with a few short articles on the battles. The current War template leaves out half the conflict. It's fair enough to get rid of conjecture, but I'll happily do that for you. Unsigned comment by Hazad (talk • contribs).

I didn't delete it quickly - not as quickly as I've deleted other articles. I was busy copy editing it, fixing the sources and everything, but without all the speculation, there really wasn't much of a history section left. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 05:23, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
Hazad: IIRC, there was a discussion about having an article about a "Battle under the Trees" a couple of years ago, ultimately reaching a consensus similar to Michael Martinez' thoughts on the subject. Thus, if there are details missing about the battle(s) in Mirkwood, I would advise adding these to the history section of Mirkwood. --Morgan 06:41, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

OK, thanks for getting back to me. I have read that Martinez article and to be honest I think it's a bit below his usual standards, in that when Tolkien writes 'battle under the trees' he is clearly referring to Mirkwood in particular, rather than Mirkwood and Lorien. But anyhow no matter. While I'm asking, why is the War of the Elves and Sauron page protected, when it's marked as in need of expansion? (really needs to be added to, the only reference is Appendix B)