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== General disclaimer ==
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== valimar ==
  
Hiya. I was working on uploading the FotR-pics when I suddenly thought, don't we need a general disclaimer to put underneath images? "The name(s) <nowiki>{{1}}, {{2}} and {{3}}</nowiki> and the description of their appearance are based on the works of J.R.R. Tolkien, and the copyright to these names and descriptions is owned by [[Middle-earth Enterprises|Tolkien Enterprises]]. TG does neither have nor claim ownership blah blah blah...", you know the works. Since our current fair-use policy could use some work (display on userpages, for example, is not fair use). -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 17:31, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
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Hi Hyarion, I'm one of the Founders & Bureaucrats of [http://wiki.valimar.ir/index.php?title=%D8%B5%D9%81%D8%AD%D9%87%D9%94_%D8%A7%D8%B5%D9%84%DB%8C valimar] (and also one of [http://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A8%D8%B1:PHoBiA the admins] in [http://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%B5%D9%81%D8%AD%D9%87%D9%94_%D8%A7%D8%B5%D9%84%DB%8C Persian Wikipedia]). I'm glad that you setup us as your sister-site. I'll setup reciprocal links to TG articles as soon as possible. Best Regards -- [[User:PHoBiA|PHoBiA]] 19:41, 27 March 2011 (UTC)  
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:Agreed, although I think underneath the images should state fair use, while our Disclaimer link at the bottom of all pages should mention the general copyright message. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 04:57, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
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== Missing Gandalf edit in recent changes ==
  
::That link in the bottom leads to a page that does not exist yet, [[Tolkien Gateway:General disclaimer]]. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 08:31, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
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The database seems to have behaved strangely when I edited [[Gandalf]]. I removed the occurrences of the word "human" from the article, and couldn't load the page. However, looking in the article history, my edit is there, but it doesn't appear in "Recent changes". And strangely enough, a search for "human" on TG still yields the article "Gandalf", although the word "human" cannot be found (any longer) in the article. Maybe the issue will disappear once the database reloads or refreshes! :---[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 23:11, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
  
== Me again - image galleries ==
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::While you're at it, another strange page is the [[Portal:Locations/Category tree]]. This page, which has been changed to a redirect, still seems to carry an imprint in the database somehow. E.g., searching on "human" on TG makes "Portal:Locations/Category Tree" show up. --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 23:28, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
  
Don't know when the next meeting will be, so I thought I'd post it here before I forget it. In the case of some categories - [[:Category:Images of Gothmog]] most notoriously - there's still some problem over disambiguation. Maybe all image categories should be renamed with the full pagename of the subject? Thus, [[:Category:Images of Boromir (Son of Denethor II)]] and such, rather than "Images of Boromir" - it is also handy when we would have a special box pointing to images - such as Wikipedia's interlinking with Wiktionary and Wikiquote, or Wookieepedia with quotes and images. I already did on of those for artist's galleries, [[:Template:Viewgal]]. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 14:55, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
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== what is a Tolkien Mile ? ==
  
:Sorry for the late response, I've been meaning to reply for some time; school/work has gotten the best of me lately, but not for long! I fully agree regarding the full page name for Image categories. The Images box is a great idea, I don't know why I hadn't done that already, it'll help the articles look a little nicer as well. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 04:57, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
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It seems to me that there is something wrong with using a standard (english) mile for Tolkiens Maps. The result is a Middle Earth which is too small. Tolkien used a lot of History and Myth from other parts of Northern Europe. Could Tolkiens Mile actually be the 'Irish' mile which was used by the English in Ireland for centuries. I will get more detail if needed but I think 1 'irish' mile is equal to 1.27 'english' miles. If this were the case Middle Earth would be 27% greater in size which would be an improvement as there are a number of references to distance which only make sense if the 'english' mile is increased substantially. The 'swedish' mile is equal to 6 'english' miles which is too big. {{unsigned|Nuadamor}}<small> (00:01, 22 May 2011).</small>
  
== UsercrEation ==
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:If I remember correctly he used a fictional mile, the Númenorean mile. I don't remember how big that is (but I think it was, the Númenorean feet at least was), but I think it can be found at [[Unfinished Tales]]. --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 14:29, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm looking at the User Creation log at the moment. Do we have some sort of bot operating? All those twelve lettered users are just too many to be a coincidence. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 09:18, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
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:Yup. Gonna block them all infinitely. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 15:45, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
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::At Oxonmoot some years ago [[Alex Lewis]] actually gave a talk saying he thought that the scale of the maps was incorrect (sadly, I can't remember by how much, or indeed, in which direction). The Númenóreans had the ''[[lár]]'' which was very slightly shorter than our league (three miles); there is no indication that Tolkien intended to use anything other than the English statute mile (defined in law since 1592) in the maps.
  
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::(I should point out, there is the "Old English mile" which was variously longer than the statute mile - about 1.3 statute miles - but why would Tolkien logically use a different measure?) --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:55, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Now that I'm on your talk anyway, any chance of the glitch in the search system of Ithilien (top links don't work) being fixed soon? I very much feel like switching back to cavendish. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 08:31, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
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:Too late for soon; but I did manage to fix it. The search box has also moved temporarily to the top right. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 23:52, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
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:::Tolkien’s discussion of the [[Lár|Númenórean league]] refered to by Amroth can be found in the appendix ‘Númenórean linear measures’ in {{UT|Gladden}} - it is 5000 [[ranga]]r of about 38 (imperial) inches, and therefor nearly equal to one statute league of 5280 yards (= three statute miles). It seems this can be taken as evidence that, certainly around the time of the revision of [[The Lord of the Rings]], Tolkien was regarding distances in his [[legendarium]] as described (approximately) in statute leagues and miles.
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:::However, in {{HM|RC}}, (on pp. 22-23 in the 2005 hardbound edition), Tolkien’s notes on two attempts at devising a Hobbit system of linear measures can be found. In one of these attempts he arrives as longest measure at a ‘long mile, or gait mile’, or ‘yong-mile or longmile’ of 2,304 imperial yards. That is certainly very nearly equal to 1.3 statute miles, and so these attempts may be related to the ‘Old English mile’ mentioned by Mith. (There is also a ‘(short) mile, or pace-mile’ of half this length, 1,152 imperial yards.)
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:::But in the other attempt he arrives at a different type of mile, namely one of 1,600 imperial yards, thus being somewhat shorter than the statute mile. And it is only in this attempt that the term ‘league’ is mentioned as containing 3 of these miles. That is in my opinion an obstacle to any supposition that a ‘long’ or ‘Old English’ mile could have been intended in the text of The Lord of the Rings. In fact, all linear measures used in that work are such as were in normal use in the imperial system when Tolkien grew up: inch, foot, ell, fathom, furlong, mile and league; and of these only foot, mile and league turn up in his attempts at a Hobbit system of measures.
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:::And finally, I have never found any reason to consider Tolkien’s Middle-earth as mapped too small. I would be interested in knowing why [[Alex Lewis]] thinks so (or at least thought so a couple of years ago). In fact had Mith said so a week earlier, I would have asked Alex, since I had ample opportunity to discuss it with him over the last weekend. — [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] 04:39, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
  
== The Hobbit ==
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::::I would have been unable to posts that had not yet been made! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 17:38, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I really hope to see this on the big screen i have waited now for so many years. Your fathers works are beyond compare and and everyone should be able to enjoy his works through reading and through Television and films ... i`d like my children to grow up reading his works as i have . Thanks {{unsigned|Tom}}
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:Uhm... Hyar, I didn't know you looked like CT? -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 22:20, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
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:::::Well, of course! I was trying to imply that I wished Nuadamor had posed his question earlier, and you had then replied as promptly as you in fact did, but I got a bit convoluted and cut too much from my sentence. — [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] 04:17, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
  
==Multiple usernames==
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== TG is a thoroughly enjoyable read! ==
Now that we can see the user creation log, it's also visible to see people who make multiple accounts. What do we do with those?
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And on another note, isn't it time to archive 2008? -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 22:35, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
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Hyarion, just wanted to say that this is an excellent Tolkien site and it has been a pleasure to read some of the articles I have come across so far. I can see that a great deal of time and effort has gone into making the site what it is today, a professional-looking, informative and well-built engine of encyclopaedic Tolkien knowledge. I have even been inspired for my own wiki (not Tolkien related) by the way articles and templates have been put together. The skin is amazing too; wish I had something unique instead of the plain vector skin.
  
:I suppose we should have some formal policy on multiple accounts. I should be able to change someone's username if they wish to change their name, so there really isn't much reason for someone to create two. I'd imagine the main perpetrators are bots in which case we can just ban their IP address if they do it continuously. As long as the user isn't switching back and forth between the accounts or creating them excessively there's probably not much harm.
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Do keep up the good work. [[User:Kerchi|Kerchi]] 10:13, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
  
:I think I was contemplating which year to archive the discussions which spanned multiple years. I went ahead and made a decision, although now I kind of miss my lengthy talk page.
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:Hi Kerchi, thanks so much for your compliments! It's in feedback like yours which makes it all worth it. We look forward to seeing you around. If you have any questions or suggestions feel free to let me know. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 22:02, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
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::You're welcome. I can see that quality has been an important driving force for those who have put this site together and believe me I know how difficult it can be what with running my own wiki, so I intend to keep having a look around and read a few more articles. --[[User:Kerchi|<span style="color:#183a55">'''Kerchi'''</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;<small><sup>[[User talk:Kerchi|<span style="color:#aaaaaa">'''talk'''</span>]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Kerchi|<span style="color:#aaaaaa">'''contribs'''</span>]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[Special:Editcount/Kerchi/Edits|<span style="color:#aaaaaa">'''edits'''</span>]]</sup></small> 22:54, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
  
:Thank you for stepping up these last few months. Two jobs and school don't mix well with the wiki, but my life should be down to no school and one job shortly so I'll be able to get back into the swing of things. Keep up the great work! --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 00:11, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
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== Dictionary-style searches ==
  
== Arda.jpg ==
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Being able to search for the English translation of a specific Elvish word (or in any other invented language) would be very useful! Would it be difficult to implement something like this?
  
[[Image:Arda.jpg|200px]]
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To exemplify: let's say I wanted to know if Tolkien invented some word for "alphabet". I just type "alphabet" in a search box, which would take me to a "disambig" article suggesting me to read either an article on Noldorin ''tiwdi'' or on Quenya ''tengwanda''.
  
Could you please tell me where (in which book) can I find the original map?
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Perhaps we can implement this in the current "disambiguation" system (but we would get a huge amount of disambig articles, though!)?
--[[Special:Contributions/201.253.244.46|201.253.244.46]] 19:37, 23 February 2009 (UTC) Buenos Aires, Argentina.
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:It's a fanon map. Not correct legendarium-wise. I favour deletion, even. But where did it come from? It's been circling the net for some time, I don't think it came from a book. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 19:40, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
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--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 11:40, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
  
::Ohh ok, thanks very much
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:Sounds like a good idea. Maybe it should get an own namespace, so there won't be too much disambigs. --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 11:48, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
  
:::To me, it looks like it has been created by a fan, based on the maps by Karen Wynn Fonstad's [[The Atlas of Middle-earth]].--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 17:20, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
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::Maybe something to discuss in a meeting?--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 12:20, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
  
==Meetings==
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::This could be a nice basis for a Portal:Languages, don't you think?
Dear, Hyarion,
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i was looking at the website and i noticed that there are meedings held on this sight. the last meeding was novemember 26th of 2008 and it was cancled and on that page it did not come up and say when the next meeding is going to happen. also i have another question when you want to enter another articail in the forums how do you do that? and is the chat area down is it being worked on. best of luck in life.{{unsigned|Elfhorse}}
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::I'm also thinking that if we add an alphabetically-based category to all invented words, we would have both an English-Elvish(et al) and an Elvish(et al)-English list of words. Another solution could perhaps be to have a certain namespace, like "Dictionary Index:A", "Dictionary Index:B", etc, as a complement to the current Index namespace.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 12:31, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
  
==Backups==
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:::Noting old discussion: [[Forum:Elvish-English and English-Elvish entries]] --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 21:58, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
This one comes partly from last night's outage, and partly from what happened to the [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Main_Page TFWiki] recently (a crash and a major - one year - loss of work): If TG would crash, what's the situation on the backups? Would we have to search for Google caches, or is there some backup system? -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 08:22, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
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:Right now the database is backed up weekly and we save a couple months worth of backups but I'm planning on doing nightly remote dumps, as even a week is a lot of lost work. The server hasn't been as reliable as it used to, I think we'll be migrating to a new host within the next year or two so we can improve uptime. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 00:38, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
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== Start article name with lower-case letters? ==
  
== Next Meeting ==
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Would it be possible to do a tech tweak in order to create article names with lower-case letters? IMHO, this would be great for the linguistic articles on words - a standard which also Wiktionary uses. --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 09:59, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
  
It is planned that we hold our next meeting on the [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings/5 April 2009|5<sup>th</sup> of April 2009]], please inform us if you can attend [[Tolkien Gateway talk:Meetings/5 April 2009|here]].--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 18:42, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
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:All articles have to begin with a capital letter (that's a technical limitation which can't be changed). You can use DISPLAYTITLE in order to make it appear as if they begin with a lower-case letter, however (see this working in [[TG:Sandbox]] right now). --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:13, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
  
=="Retrieved From"==
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::Thanks, I'll bring it up at the meeting, to see if it's a good idea or not.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 11:09, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
Anyway we can get rid of that line that suddenly appeared everywhere? -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 08:34, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
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:Never mind, it's gone. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 10:28, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
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:::I tried the code DISPLAYTITLE in the article [[brand (word)]], and I noticed that you can also remove the bracketed word - is this preferable or not? --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 22:51, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
  
==Next Meeting==
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== Long articles ==
  
Sorry to clutter up your talk page, but just informing you about the next meeting. It is planned that we hold our next meeting on '''Monday''' the [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings/13 April 2009|13<sup>th</sup> of April 2009]], please inform us if you can attend [[Tolkien Gateway talk:Meetings/13 April 2009|here]]. Remember that it's on Easter Monday, not Easter Sunday. Thanks!--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 13:21, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
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What is causing the problem with the "long" articles? It's impossible for me to save an edit on "Eriador". However, another long article, "J.R.R. Tolkien", causes no problems.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 09:49, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
  
:Unfortunately I'll be at work but I'll try my best to check in. Keep up the great work! --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 00:16, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
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== Adding to List of Arda Encyclopedia ==
  
== RE:Welcome ==
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Hi Hyarion. I'm one of the  [http://wiki.valimar.ir Valimar] administrators. The Biggest Persian Encyclopedia about Arda and Tolkien. I want you to add us in the list of Arda Encyclopedia.(in this [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/List_of_Tolkien_Encyclopedias page]).
  
Thanks you, Hyarion. I want to make a question before returning to editing: How can I get rollback rights (if there are any)? I am already a rollbacker in another wiki, Halopedia (www.halo.wikia.com), and I would like to know how can I obtain these rights here. Thanks for your time,
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I have to say we are your sister site.
  
<tt><sup><font color="#7BA05B">[[User:Odysseas-spartan-53|Odysseas]]-[[User talk:Odysseas-spartan-53|Spartan]]</font></sup>[[Special:Contributions/Odysseas-spartan-53|<font color="#4B5320"><font size="5">53</font></font>]]</tt> 11:13, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
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Best Regards.
  
:Hi Odysseas, sorry for the delay; right now we aren't distibuting roll back rights, but keep up the great work and we'll get them to you eventually. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 03:07, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
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:Welcome! No problem, your encyclopedia has been added to the list. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 01:26, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
  
== FA ==
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== Tolkien Gateway email addresses ==
  
See [[Forum:Featured article icon]].
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Hi Hyarion! You promised to look into the prospect of Tolkien Gateway email addresses; has there been any progress? --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 15:18, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
  
Can we get [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap Extension: ImageMap] or something like it? -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
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:Hey KA! Yes, I think Google Apps (Free) is going to be our best option. It's halfway setup and the plan is to have it fully functional by the upcoming meeting. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]]
  
:Yea, looks easy enough to install. I should have it done this weekend. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 01:57, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
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::Awesome! I look forward to it! :) --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 14:31, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
  
== Merge ==
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:::Is it done yet? --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 12:42, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
  
So what happened with the disscussions about the merging of the One Wiki to Rule Them All and Tolkien Gateway? Did it not work, or was there some issue? Was it forgotton? ~[http://lotr.wikia.com/User:Arvan_Swordwielder Arvan Swordwielder]
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::::Was I ignored? :( --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 22:31, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
  
Hi Arvan, most of the editors migrated here but Wikia wished to keep their version online. If I can help with anything else just let me know. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 04:34, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
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==TS permission==
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Hi! I noticed that the Amon Hen articles carry the sentence "Reprinted by kind permission of The Tolkien Society and the named cover artist(s) - all rights reserved." What exactly does this refer to? I'm pretty sure that cover images and a description of the contents goes under fair use for educational purposes in any country...? Can this "permission" be removed, or moved to a copyright page (as it looks kind of strange in the context of the individual articles)? --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 18:30, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
  
== Thumbnails ==
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:I believe the wording came from [[Andrew Butler]] who went to great lengths to make sure even the individual artists were okay with having their cover art displayed on the wiki. I'd agree though that the content most likely falls under fair use and a more minor notation would be suitable. I think some statement is worth having if only to illustrate the extra steps taken to consider the copyright holders. -- [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]]
  
Hi. Can you please check out [[Historical Atlas]] and tell me what is wrong with thumbnail generation? It could evolve into a great article. Thanks [[User:Sage|Sage]] 11:23, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
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::Alright. I'll try to remember to bring the issue up at a meeting. Thanks for quick answer! --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 18:46, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
  
:As far as I can tell, it's images in general that's to blame here. There's something wrong with uploading since the last update. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 12:28, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
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== Numenor ==
  
===Sitenotice===
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Isn't [http://www.tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Athelas&oldid=186732 this] strange? This old version yields a redlink to "Númenor". --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 16:32, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Related to the above, I've tried to put up [[:MediaWiki:Sitenotice|sitenotice]] to tell editors not to upload for the time being, but apparently you haven't activated it yet. Can you, please? also for future use it could be handy. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:14, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
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: And [http://www.tolkiengateway.net/wiki/N%C3%BAmen%CE%BFr this] is even more strange, while the [[Númenor|real article]] still exists. --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 20:17, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
  
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::Hm, definitely must be the way the symbol is translated and encoded. I'll do some research. Good catch! --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 02:53, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
  
== Saruman's ring ==
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== Editing Rise of the Witch King Game Campaign Details ==
  
Hi, I was reading Saruman's article and it's good but there is something I would like to ask. In the "Chief of the White Council" you have stated that Saruman HAD MADE a ring of power by using the knowledge of the noldor of former Eregion to enchant he's speaking voice. I would like to know WHERE and HOW have you came up with this knowledge because i have read a lot about middle earth and i have never found that Tolkien would have stated that Saruman had knowledge about making a ring of power or actualy made one. Also Where could he have made it? Orthanc or Isengard hadn't great forges before orcs came there and i doubt that forge any made by orc would be hot enough to make a ring of power.
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I want to edit campaign details for the ROTWK game.There is a mistake in the last sentence.It is Prince Earnur who destroyed the Witch King not King Arveleg I.Can i have the permission to change the name of the King?? --[[User:Antoinevlah|Antoinevlah]] 17:24, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
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:If this is true, then please go ahead and edit the page.--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 17:37, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
  
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==On Battle of the Crossings of Poros==
  
== Google Maps for Arda ==
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I contacted you on this subject because you created the page and I was not able to create a discussion on it. This page is a complete copy from the page at http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/f/fordsofporos.html--[[Special:Contributions/108.11.228.65|108.11.228.65]] 15:08, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
  
Hey, I have finished the [[User:Eldarion_Telcontar/Google_Maps_for_Arda|Google Maps for Arda extension]], we talked about [[Tolkien_Gateway_talk:To-do#map_engine_for_middle-earth|here]]. KingAragorn has tested it on a MediaWiki server he set up and after resolving one error it works well. Now it would be great if you could install the extension on our server. You can find the installation instructions [[User:Eldarion Telcontar/Google Maps for Arda/Installation|here]] (it takes under 10 minutes to install).
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:We know about the copies, we're working on correcting them. If you find any other, just let us know. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:31, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
  
Best wishes, [[User:Eldarion Telcontar|Eldarion Telcontar]] 21:06, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
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:Thanks for catching that [[Special:Contributions/108.11.228.65|108.11.228.65]]. There are still a few articles out there which do not adhere to our current standards. We will rectify this specific article as soon as possible, and as Ederchil mentioned, if you happen to stumble upon any others just let someone know. Thanks for your help! --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 16:40, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 
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:I see you're back Hyarion, what are your thoughts on this?--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 00:28, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
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::Love it, let me see if I can get it added tonight. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 04:25, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
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:::Hm, do either of you two have the Tiles.zip file handy? It looks like the rapidshare link expired. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 05:20, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
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::::I have uploaded the file again. You can download it [http://rapidshare.de/files/48887909/Tiles.zip.html here]. Merry Christmas!! -- [[User:Eldarion Telcontar|Eldarion Telcontar]] 15:23, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
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:::::You can see it working [http://arda.agilityhoster.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page here].--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 21:08, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
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:::::: I really like this. Is there another way to download it? [[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] 07:06, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
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::::::: What are you looking for? You can download it [http://rapidshare.de/files/48887909/Tiles.zip.html here] from Rapidshare. I could upload it to another hoster as well if you like. -- [[User:Eldarion Telcontar|Eldarion Telcontar]] 20:29, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
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When I've tried to insert pictures on various pages I have been unable to, and it said this message:
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'''Warning:''' passthru() has been disabled for security reasons in '''/home/tolkieng/public_html/w/includes/GlobalFunctions.php''' on line '''2024'''"
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could you explain what is going wrong? [[User:LotRfan01|LotRfan01]] 20:36, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
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:It's a glitch since the last update. Hyar hasn't been around lately, but he's the one that can solve this, I'll see if I can email him tomorrow. For now, the best advice is to wait until it's been fixed, or, if it's really necessary, upload pics of about 250px wide. See also [[Forum:Image problems|here]]-- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:43, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
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::Sorry for taking so long to get this fixed; it should be working now. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 05:01, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
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== Chat problems? ==
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The hyarion.gotdns.com subdomain seems to be out of order, and as a result none of the java entrances to the chat can be accessed. At least one other person has been asking about this for some time. Would be nice if you could find the time to try and iron out what's wrong. -- [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] 23:27, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
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:Hi Mithrennaith, you bet, I'll see if I can get those Java clients up by the weekend. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 05:02, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
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::Hi Hyarion, they still seem to be down - I haven’t been able to get any response out of them since my previous mention. — [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] 22:23, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
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== 500 Internal Server Error ==
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I keep experiencing this with greater frequency. I know it's common on large family-tress, but I've experienced this on smaller ones, on pages without family-trees and Recent Changes (I get this a lot on Recent Changes). I don't know what's going on there, but I thought I'd better let you know. I don't know if I'm the only person getting this. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 00:51, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
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::I have it too, and it happens to me mostly when I save a page. [[User:Grond|Grond]] 07:48, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
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:::I have experienced it too, just now, when looking up the history of [[Amrod]] and when calling [[User:Þelma]]. — [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] 06:30, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
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::::Me too, still seems like a common problem. --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 17:40, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
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:::::Still happens to me over the last few days regularly. — [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] 22:23, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
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::::::This shouldn't happen anymore, let me know if the problem persists. Thanks. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 01:36, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
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== My Bot ==
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Hello Hyarion! Sorry to double-post on your talk page, but I was wondering whether for you could make [[User:Mithbot]] a bot? I promise I know what I'm doing (I'm using the [http://dotnetwikibot.sourceforge.net/ DotNetWikiBot Framework] which [[User:KingAragorn Bot]] uses) and would be fixing redirects, spelling errors, categorisations, that sort of thing. Thanks, --{{User:Mith/sig}} 00:11, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
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:Done (a while ago, but replying for consistency). --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 01:37, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
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== Forum inputbox down ==
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Err ... while you’re at it, could you make [[:Forum:Council]] work again? Nobody can put up a new topic now (or you need to know exactly what needs doing and do a lot of work ‘manually’). — [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] 22:23, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
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:Fixed. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 01:37, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
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== server move hiccups ==
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For some reason, all links are underlined since the server move. Any idea how to fix that? -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:45, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
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:Is there a problem with [[MediaWiki:Common.css]]: I've noticed that the style wasn't being applied to inclusions of [[Template:Pronounce]] and [[Template:Seq-head]] as well as the anchor issue Ederchil's mentioned. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 17:37, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
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== The new server ==
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Just wanted to say that the increased speed of the new server is very much appreciated! Many thanks for your work! --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 12:13, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
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:Glad to hear it is noticeable! We do seem to be having some random but persistent issues with the web server locking up and needing to be restarted, so if anyone has experienced that yet, it's not just you. I'm looking into it. Luckily my configuration is to blame and not the server. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 04:54, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
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::I guees you already know it, but when trying to upload images, it says: "Inernal error: The upload directory (public) is not writable by the webserver". --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 17:28, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
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:::Actually, that one I didn't know, thanks for the heads up. I'll get it fixed tonight. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 18:16, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
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::::The [[Forum:Council|Forum]] also still seems to be broken, even worse than before ...  — [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] 04:51, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
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:::::Just a reminder of the image upload problem - still doesn't work. --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 12:06, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
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::::::This should be working now, extremely sorry this took so long. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 01:31, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
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==Solving the image upload error==
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Hyarion, if you got stuck, do you think this thread could help out? [http://www.mwusers.com/forums/showthread.php?10474-The-upload-directory-(public)-is-not-writable-by-the-webserver. MediawikiUsers (external link)] --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 16:30, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
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AFAIK, he's out of town right now. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 17:46, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
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== IMPORTANT - database syntax error ==
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This text shows up several times (bit not always) when trying to reach an article on TG:
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''A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:
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from within function "MediaWikiBagOStuff::_doinsert". Database returned error "126: Incorrect key file for table './tg_wiki/objectcache.MYI'; try to repair it (localhost)".''
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--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 08:09, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
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:I get it with categories, a lot. Another error message:
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A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:
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from within function "MediaWikiBagOStuff::_doquery". Database returned error "126: Incorrect key file for table './tg_wiki/objectcache.MYI'; try to repair it (localhost)".
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:Which basically says the same thing except it doesn't include the gibberish. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 08:15, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
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::Seems perhaps like we have to ''"run the update script"'' in order to ''"correct the database schema"'', which is done ''"from the command line, browse to the 'maintenance' directory and run the update.php script to check and update the schema."'' At least this is what the thread [http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/170529 Mailing list archive:Mediawiki] tells me. But I'm not a tech guy ;-) --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 08:28, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
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:::This was resolved, it happens from time to time when a record gets corrupted. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 01:39, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
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== Forum Problem ==
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For over a month I have not been able to see forum topics. The page appears without any threads and only some coding for buttons, etc. that should be there. Am i the only one who sees this and whay hasn't it been fixed?--{{User:Breragor/sig}} 01:45, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
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:See also [[User_talk:Ederchil#Editcount-Template_doesn.27t_work|here]]. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 06:20, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
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::The forum's [[Special:RecentChangesLinked/Category:Council|recent changes page]] is quite handing for up with the it in the meantime. --[[User:Aule the Smith|Aule the Smith]] 08:54, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
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:::How long do we expect this to be as such, becuase it's already been like a month? {{unsigned|Breragor}}
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::::We don't know. TG has been experiencing a number of technical problems lately. Frankly, the forum not showing is the least of these problems. Aule the Smith has provided you with a handy link as a work around, you could also look at [[:Category:Council]]. To start a new thread: '''[http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forum:TITLE&action=edit&preload=Template:Counciltop New Thread]''' (Edit URL where is says ''TITLE)'' --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 00:01, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
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:Err, are we sure Hyarion is aware of the ongoing problems with image uploading and extensions? The server is a lot smoother now (at least to me), but there doesn't seem to be any sign of them being re-enabled. {{User:Aule the Smith/sig}} 18:54, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
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::I emailed Hyarion about it but the message bounced :S {{User:Aule the Smith/sig}} 17:16, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
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:::Yes, a few of us have been sending emails to Hyarion, sadly to no avail. :( --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 17:55, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
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::::Yea, sorry for anyone sending e-mails to hyarion at tolkiengateway.net, I haven't finished seting up the mail service on the new server so the e-mails will probably bounce back. In the mean time you can contact me via hyarion at gmail.com --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 01:51, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
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Hi Hyarion, just a quick message (so I don't forget), is any of the information on this page accurate: [[Tolkien Gateway:Servers]]. Do you think that you could update it (or else I'm probably going to delete it). --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:15, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
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== Hyarion is back! ==
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Hyarion, your re-appearance is greatly appreciated! Many thanks! --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 01:38, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
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:Indeed, let the images flow! {{User:Aule the Smith/sig}} 08:04, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
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[[:File:J.R.R._Tolkien_-_Crown_of_Gondor.svg|Don't appear]] to work. {{User:Aule the Smith/sig}} 12:19, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
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:They should be working now, although that specific file looks like it needs to be re-uploaded. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 16:29, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
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== Email ==
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Hey like the site hope I can do something, just a FYI, I did not receive a conformation email for my account. I am still checking things on my end, thought I would mention it if you have a bug on your end.  [[User:Mlpearc|<span style='font-family:;color:#800020'>'''Mlpearc'''</span>]] <small>[[User_talk:Mlpearc|<span style='font-family:;color:#CFB53B'>'''powwow'''</span>]]</small> 19:02, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
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:Hello there. Welcome aboard, always good to see new faces. I think I may know what the culprit is regarding your confirmation e-mail, looking into it now. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 19:34, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
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::Thank you for your response. [[User:Mlpearc|<span style='font-family:;color:#800020'>'''Mlpearc'''</span>]] <small>[[User_talk:Mlpearc|<span style='font-family:;color:#CFB53B'>'''powwow'''</span>]]</small> 19:54, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
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::Just checking, I have not received anything yet. [[User:Mlpearc|<span style='font-family:;color:#800020'>'''Mlpearc'''</span>]] <small>[[User_talk:Mlpearc|<span style='font-family:;color:#CFB53B'>'''powwow'''</span>]]</small> 15:41, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
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== Poster of Bilbo's Last Song by Pauline Baynes ==
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Do you know where I can get a new (or VGC 2nd hand) copy of this poster please (as shown on this site)?
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:You'd be better off asking someone on [http://www.tolkienguide.com Tolkien Collector's Guide]. [http://www.tolkienguide.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=490 This thread] there mirrors what I would suggest: try [http://www.ebay.co.uk eBay]! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 11:13, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
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Hello. I just wanted to inquire - when I created an account (a while ago now) and gave my email address, I received no confirmation. A message appeared that said (something like) the format of my email address was incorrect. I checked and it was just my normal email address. Have I done something else incorrect? Can I fix this? "Greenwizard 1 Nov 2010"
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:Hi Greenwizard! Thanks so much for your contributions to our music articles. Regarding confirmation of e-mail address, this is actually a bug in our mail service at the moment, so you have done everything correctly. Sorry for the inconvenience, it should be fixed shortly. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 01:59, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
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OK thanks Hyarion - glad I didn't enter details incorrectly. BTW, I'm most impressed with this site and the way it's organised. Cheers "Greenwizard 2 Nov 2010"
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== Server down ==
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Hello Hyarion. TG was down for at least 7 hours yesterday. Do you have any update on the work with keeping the server stable? --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 11:45, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
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:Without jinxing anything, I believe the server issue has been resolved. We have gone from multiple issues per day to none this past week. I ended up blocking a specific indexing bot from crawling the site. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 05:20, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
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::Great news, Hyarion! I've noticed that the server hasn't been down lately.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 10:30, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
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::This is indeed momentous news and a great Christmas present! Might we be seeing some extensions return, now? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 23:54, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
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== valimar ==
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Hi Hyarion, I'm one of the Founders & Bureaucrats of [http://wiki.valimar.ir/index.php?title=%D8%B5%D9%81%D8%AD%D9%87%D9%94_%D8%A7%D8%B5%D9%84%DB%8C valimar] (and also one of [http://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A8%D8%B1:PHoBiA the admins] in [http://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%B5%D9%81%D8%AD%D9%87%D9%94_%D8%A7%D8%B5%D9%84%DB%8C Persian Wikipedia]). I'm glad that you setup us as your sister-site. I'll setup reciprocal links to TG articles as soon as possible. Best Regards -- [[User:PHoBiA|PHoBiA]] 19:41, 27 March 2011 (UTC)  
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Hi Hyarion, I'm one of the Founders & Bureaucrats of valimar (and also one of the admins in Persian Wikipedia). I'm glad that you setup us as your sister-site. I'll setup reciprocal links to TG articles as soon as possible. Best Regards -- PHoBiA 19:41, 27 March 2011 (UTC) ``

Missing Gandalf edit in recent changes

The database seems to have behaved strangely when I edited Gandalf. I removed the occurrences of the word "human" from the article, and couldn't load the page. However, looking in the article history, my edit is there, but it doesn't appear in "Recent changes". And strangely enough, a search for "human" on TG still yields the article "Gandalf", although the word "human" cannot be found (any longer) in the article. Maybe the issue will disappear once the database reloads or refreshes! :-) --Morgan 23:11, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

While you're at it, another strange page is the Portal:Locations/Category tree. This page, which has been changed to a redirect, still seems to carry an imprint in the database somehow. E.g., searching on "human" on TG makes "Portal:Locations/Category Tree" show up. --Morgan 23:28, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

what is a Tolkien Mile ?

It seems to me that there is something wrong with using a standard (english) mile for Tolkiens Maps. The result is a Middle Earth which is too small. Tolkien used a lot of History and Myth from other parts of Northern Europe. Could Tolkiens Mile actually be the 'Irish' mile which was used by the English in Ireland for centuries. I will get more detail if needed but I think 1 'irish' mile is equal to 1.27 'english' miles. If this were the case Middle Earth would be 27% greater in size which would be an improvement as there are a number of references to distance which only make sense if the 'english' mile is increased substantially. The 'swedish' mile is equal to 6 'english' miles which is too big. Unsigned comment by Nuadamor (talk • contribs). (00:01, 22 May 2011).

If I remember correctly he used a fictional mile, the Númenorean mile. I don't remember how big that is (but I think it was, the Númenorean feet at least was), but I think it can be found at Unfinished Tales. --Amroth 14:29, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
At Oxonmoot some years ago Alex Lewis actually gave a talk saying he thought that the scale of the maps was incorrect (sadly, I can't remember by how much, or indeed, in which direction). The Númenóreans had the lár which was very slightly shorter than our league (three miles); there is no indication that Tolkien intended to use anything other than the English statute mile (defined in law since 1592) in the maps.
(I should point out, there is the "Old English mile" which was variously longer than the statute mile - about 1.3 statute miles - but why would Tolkien logically use a different measure?) --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 10:55, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Tolkien’s discussion of the Númenórean league refered to by Amroth can be found in the appendix ‘Númenórean linear measures’ in J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), Unfinished Tales, "The Disaster of the Gladden Fields" - it is 5000 rangar of about 38 (imperial) inches, and therefor nearly equal to one statute league of 5280 yards (= three statute miles). It seems this can be taken as evidence that, certainly around the time of the revision of The Lord of the Rings, Tolkien was regarding distances in his legendarium as described (approximately) in statute leagues and miles.
However, in Wayne G. Hammond and Christina Scull (eds), The Lord of the Rings: A Reader's Companion, (on pp. 22-23 in the 2005 hardbound edition), Tolkien’s notes on two attempts at devising a Hobbit system of linear measures can be found. In one of these attempts he arrives as longest measure at a ‘long mile, or gait mile’, or ‘yong-mile or longmile’ of 2,304 imperial yards. That is certainly very nearly equal to 1.3 statute miles, and so these attempts may be related to the ‘Old English mile’ mentioned by Mith. (There is also a ‘(short) mile, or pace-mile’ of half this length, 1,152 imperial yards.)
But in the other attempt he arrives at a different type of mile, namely one of 1,600 imperial yards, thus being somewhat shorter than the statute mile. And it is only in this attempt that the term ‘league’ is mentioned as containing 3 of these miles. That is in my opinion an obstacle to any supposition that a ‘long’ or ‘Old English’ mile could have been intended in the text of The Lord of the Rings. In fact, all linear measures used in that work are such as were in normal use in the imperial system when Tolkien grew up: inch, foot, ell, fathom, furlong, mile and league; and of these only foot, mile and league turn up in his attempts at a Hobbit system of measures.
And finally, I have never found any reason to consider Tolkien’s Middle-earth as mapped too small. I would be interested in knowing why Alex Lewis thinks so (or at least thought so a couple of years ago). In fact had Mith said so a week earlier, I would have asked Alex, since I had ample opportunity to discuss it with him over the last weekend. — Mithrennaith 04:39, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I would have been unable to posts that had not yet been made! --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 17:38, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Well, of course! I was trying to imply that I wished Nuadamor had posed his question earlier, and you had then replied as promptly as you in fact did, but I got a bit convoluted and cut too much from my sentence. — Mithrennaith 04:17, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

TG is a thoroughly enjoyable read!

Hyarion, just wanted to say that this is an excellent Tolkien site and it has been a pleasure to read some of the articles I have come across so far. I can see that a great deal of time and effort has gone into making the site what it is today, a professional-looking, informative and well-built engine of encyclopaedic Tolkien knowledge. I have even been inspired for my own wiki (not Tolkien related) by the way articles and templates have been put together. The skin is amazing too; wish I had something unique instead of the plain vector skin.

Do keep up the good work. Kerchi 10:13, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi Kerchi, thanks so much for your compliments! It's in feedback like yours which makes it all worth it. We look forward to seeing you around. If you have any questions or suggestions feel free to let me know. --Hyarion 22:02, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
You're welcome. I can see that quality has been an important driving force for those who have put this site together and believe me I know how difficult it can be what with running my own wiki, so I intend to keep having a look around and read a few more articles. --Kerchi  talk | contribs | edits 22:54, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Dictionary-style searches

Being able to search for the English translation of a specific Elvish word (or in any other invented language) would be very useful! Would it be difficult to implement something like this?

To exemplify: let's say I wanted to know if Tolkien invented some word for "alphabet". I just type "alphabet" in a search box, which would take me to a "disambig" article suggesting me to read either an article on Noldorin tiwdi or on Quenya tengwanda.

Perhaps we can implement this in the current "disambiguation" system (but we would get a huge amount of disambig articles, though!)?

--Morgan 11:40, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea. Maybe it should get an own namespace, so there won't be too much disambigs. --Amroth 11:48, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
Maybe something to discuss in a meeting?--Morgan 12:20, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
This could be a nice basis for a Portal:Languages, don't you think?
I'm also thinking that if we add an alphabetically-based category to all invented words, we would have both an English-Elvish(et al) and an Elvish(et al)-English list of words. Another solution could perhaps be to have a certain namespace, like "Dictionary Index:A", "Dictionary Index:B", etc, as a complement to the current Index namespace.--Morgan 12:31, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
Noting old discussion: Forum:Elvish-English and English-Elvish entries --Morgan 21:58, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Start article name with lower-case letters?

Would it be possible to do a tech tweak in order to create article names with lower-case letters? IMHO, this would be great for the linguistic articles on words - a standard which also Wiktionary uses. --Morgan 09:59, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

All articles have to begin with a capital letter (that's a technical limitation which can't be changed). You can use DISPLAYTITLE in order to make it appear as if they begin with a lower-case letter, however (see this working in TG:Sandbox right now). --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 10:13, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll bring it up at the meeting, to see if it's a good idea or not.--Morgan 11:09, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
I tried the code DISPLAYTITLE in the article brand (word), and I noticed that you can also remove the bracketed word - is this preferable or not? --Morgan 22:51, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Long articles

What is causing the problem with the "long" articles? It's impossible for me to save an edit on "Eriador". However, another long article, "J.R.R. Tolkien", causes no problems.--Morgan 09:49, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Adding to List of Arda Encyclopedia

Hi Hyarion. I'm one of the Valimar administrators. The Biggest Persian Encyclopedia about Arda and Tolkien. I want you to add us in the list of Arda Encyclopedia.(in this page).

I have to say we are your sister site.

Best Regards.

Welcome! No problem, your encyclopedia has been added to the list. --Hyarion 01:26, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Tolkien Gateway email addresses

Hi Hyarion! You promised to look into the prospect of Tolkien Gateway email addresses; has there been any progress? -- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  15:18, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Hey KA! Yes, I think Google Apps (Free) is going to be our best option. It's halfway setup and the plan is to have it fully functional by the upcoming meeting. --Hyarion
Awesome! I look forward to it! :) -- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  14:31, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Is it done yet? -- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  12:42, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
Was I ignored? :( -- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  22:31, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

TS permission

Hi! I noticed that the Amon Hen articles carry the sentence "Reprinted by kind permission of The Tolkien Society and the named cover artist(s) - all rights reserved." What exactly does this refer to? I'm pretty sure that cover images and a description of the contents goes under fair use for educational purposes in any country...? Can this "permission" be removed, or moved to a copyright page (as it looks kind of strange in the context of the individual articles)? --Morgan 18:30, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

I believe the wording came from Andrew Butler who went to great lengths to make sure even the individual artists were okay with having their cover art displayed on the wiki. I'd agree though that the content most likely falls under fair use and a more minor notation would be suitable. I think some statement is worth having if only to illustrate the extra steps taken to consider the copyright holders. -- Hyarion
Alright. I'll try to remember to bring the issue up at a meeting. Thanks for quick answer! --Morgan 18:46, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Numenor

Isn't this strange? This old version yields a redlink to "Númenor". --Morgan 16:32, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

And this is even more strange, while the real article still exists. --Amroth 20:17, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Hm, definitely must be the way the symbol is translated and encoded. I'll do some research. Good catch! --Hyarion 02:53, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Editing Rise of the Witch King Game Campaign Details

I want to edit campaign details for the ROTWK game.There is a mistake in the last sentence.It is Prince Earnur who destroyed the Witch King not King Arveleg I.Can i have the permission to change the name of the King?? --Antoinevlah 17:24, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

If this is true, then please go ahead and edit the page.-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  17:37, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

On Battle of the Crossings of Poros

I contacted you on this subject because you created the page and I was not able to create a discussion on it. This page is a complete copy from the page at http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/f/fordsofporos.html--108.11.228.65 15:08, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

We know about the copies, we're working on correcting them. If you find any other, just let us know. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 16:31, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for catching that 108.11.228.65. There are still a few articles out there which do not adhere to our current standards. We will rectify this specific article as soon as possible, and as Ederchil mentioned, if you happen to stumble upon any others just let someone know. Thanks for your help! --Hyarion 16:40, 28 April 2012 (UTC)