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== valimar ==
== Just a doubt  ==


Hi Hyarion, I'm one of the Founders & Bureaucrats of [http://wiki.valimar.ir/index.php?title=%D8%B5%D9%81%D8%AD%D9%87%D9%94_%D8%A7%D8%B5%D9%84%DB%8C valimar] (and also one of [http://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A8%D8%B1:PHoBiA the admins] in [http://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%B5%D9%81%D8%AD%D9%87%D9%94_%D8%A7%D8%B5%D9%84%DB%8C Persian Wikipedia]). I'm glad that you setup us as your sister-site. I'll setup reciprocal links to TG articles as soon as possible. Best Regards -- [[User:PHoBiA|PHoBiA]] 19:41, 27 March 2011 (UTC)  
Hi Hyarion<br>
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I had a simple doubt<br>
Can we copy an entire page created by someone else and just put our name on it?<br>
I know it sounds a bit ridiculous but i have to clear this.<br>
Thanks.<br>
--[[User:Shivam|Shivam]] <font size="2" face="calibri"><span style="color:red">([[User talk:Shivam|Talk ]]/[[Special:Contributions/Shivam|Contribs]]/[[Special:Editcount/Shivam|Edits]])</span></font> 03:28, 13 March 2023 (UTC)


== Missing Gandalf edit in recent changes ==
:Hi Shivam! I'm not sure the context of your question, if you're referring to copying a page from Tolkien Gateway, or to Tolkien Gateway, but either way the answer would be a definite no. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 03:33, 13 March 2023 (UTC)


The database seems to have behaved strangely when I edited [[Gandalf]]. I removed the occurrences of the word "human" from the article, and couldn't load the page. However, looking in the article history, my edit is there, but it doesn't appear in "Recent changes". And strangely enough, a search for "human" on TG still yields the article "Gandalf", although the word "human" cannot be found (any longer) in the article. Maybe the issue will disappear once the database reloads or refreshes! :-)  --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 23:11, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
::I mean say you created a page on Tolkien Gateway and I copied it entirely and put my name on it and shared it's link on my user page.(Just an example, I won't do such thing). --[[User:Shivam|Shivam]] <font size="2" face="calibri"><span style="color:red">([[User talk:Shivam|Talk ]]/[[Special:Contributions/Shivam|Contribs]]/[[Special:Editcount/Shivam|Edits]])</span></font> 11:00, 13 March 2023 (UTC)


::While you're at it, another strange page is the [[Portal:Locations/Category Tree]]. This page, which has been changed to a redirect, still seems to carry an imprint in the database somehow. E.g., searching on "human" on TG makes "Portal:Locations/Category Tree" show up. --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 23:28, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
:::No, that sounds a bit unethical. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 01:36, 14 March 2023 (UTC)


== what is a Tolkien Mile ? ==
::::Well something like that has happened to me. Although i haven't created many pages, actually just one, so someone copied it entirely and put their name on it. Is there anything i should do?.--[[User:Shivam|Shivam]] <font size="2" face="calibri"><span style="color:red">([[User talk:Shivam|Talk ]]/[[Special:Contributions/Shivam|Contribs]]/[[Special:Editcount/Shivam|Edits]])</span></font> 01:57, 14 March 2023 (UTC)


It seems to me that there is something wrong with using a standard (english) mile for Tolkiens Maps.  The result is a Middle Earth which is too small. Tolkien used a lot of History and Myth from other parts of Northern Europe. Could Tolkiens Mile actually be the 'Irish' mile which was used by the English in Ireland for centuries. I will get more detail if needed but I think 1 'irish' mile is equal to 1.27 'english' miles. If this were the case Middle Earth would be 27% greater in size which would be an improvement as there are a number of references to distance which only make sense if the 'english' mile is increased substantially.  The 'swedish' mile is equal to 6 'english' miles which is too big. {{unsigned|Nuadamor}}<small> (00:01, 22 May 2011).</small>
:::::Can you provide more context? Thanks! --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 12:32, 15 March 2023 (UTC)


:If I remember correctly he used a fictional mile, the Númenorean mile. I don't remember how big that is, but I think it can be found at [[Unfinished Tales]]. --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 14:29, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::I solved it, thanks.--[[User:Shivam|Shivam]] <font size="2" face="calibri"><span style="color:red">([[User talk:Shivam|Talk ]]/[[Special:Contributions/Shivam|Contribs]]/[[Special:Editcount/Shivam|Edits]])</span></font> 11:40, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 
== Concerning article cleanup ==
 
Hi! I've been cleaning up some articles lately that have had headings like "Plot" or "Synopsis." Should I be putting these as sub-headings under a "History" heading?
[[User:BrandonEchols|BrandonEchols]] ([[User talk:BrandonEchols|talk]]) 00:34, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 
:Hi Brandon! It's so great to have you on the team! Great question, if we use [[Hordes of the Things]] as an example, I think the "History" section could likely be eliminated. Pretty much everything about the subject will be considered "history", so the heading, at least to me, seems a little redundant. What are your thoughts though? --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 01:03, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 
::I think that there needs to be a heading over the sub-headings, and that ''could'' be "History," but it could be something else. I, personally, think that "History" works just fine, as it ''does'' all realate to history, but what do you think? There ''could'' be just sub-headings, but that might look weird... --[[User:BrandonEchols|BrandonEchols]] ([[User talk:BrandonEchols|talk]]) 01:45, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 
:::Ah yes, I agree about sub-headings needing a heading. I meant I would be okay with those sub-headings being converted to headings. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 02:30, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 
::::I agree. I think it ''would'' be fine, but in the [[Tolkien Gateway:Manual of Style|Manual of Style]] it shows that only the following headings can be used: '''History, Legacy, Etymology, Other names, Genealogy, Other versions of the legendarium, Inspiration, Portrayal in adaptations, See also, Notes, External links, References,''' and '''Further reading.''' The manual of style could be updated, we could come up with another heading that can be used in all of these situations so there's a ''general way of doing it'', or we could just convert those to regular headings. What's your opinion? --[[User:BrandonEchols|BrandonEchols]] ([[User talk:BrandonEchols|talk]]) 02:37, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 
:::::Hm, I think the Manual of Style just says "typically", so it's not an absolute requirement (if you see phrasing that's more strict, definitely let me know). Those headings are primarily intended for in-universe characters, locations, etc. so it's perfectly fine if ''Hordes of the Things'' deviates from that. It's difficult to list all the possible top-level headings, so I usually will check some articles on similar subjects to see what the consensus seems to be and go from there. I agree though, expanding the policy so everyone doesn't have to wing it isn't a bad idea, I just want to avoid having a policy that is 1,000 pages long :) --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 03:26, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 
::::::I think that it's a good idea to add a few new heading options to the [[Tolkien Gateway:Manual of Style|Manual of Style]]. I'm not sure if it's possible but, because I'm working on cleaning up a big portion of the articles, I could add new heading "defaults" to the Manual of Style as needed. That is, if I'm able to get editing permission. Obviously, I wouldn't abuse this power. There are definitely a lot of possibilities for this, but I would just add the "primary" ones. i.e. Plot, Production, Bibliography, and any other main ones I come upon. I definitely agree that we shouldn't have a 1,000 page long policy, though! :D Is this possible? --[[User:BrandonEchols|BrandonEchols]] ([[User talk:BrandonEchols|talk]]) 03:32, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 
==Lorenzo's user talk==
I have seen that you deleted the new LorenzoCB talk page, I need that page to communicate with him. Excessive Vandalism made him protect that page, so only admins can edit it. I'm not an admin, and neither are three quarters of the people on TG, and when we need to contact him we would not be able to. That is why I made that page and would like to keep it so we Gatekeepers can contact him--[[User:Tformer|Tformer]] ([[User talk:Tformer|talk]]) 19:23, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
 
== Few Doubts ==
 
Do we have the right to use soundtracks of The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings series?<br>
What is the sequence of layout of a page, I mean what's the correct order of writing History, Etymology, Genealogy, References, Other Versions, etc?--[[User:Shivam|Shivam]] <font size="2" face="calibri"><span style="color:red">([[User talk:Shivam|Talk ]]/[[Special:Contributions/Shivam|Contribs]]/[[Special:Editcount/Shivam|Edits]])</span></font> 07:22, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
 
:Great questions! We don't have any kind of official approval for use of soundtracks, but depending on what the specific scenario is, we can usually use something in a limited capacity under the [https://www.copyright.gov/fair-use/ fair use doctrine]. I would say the [[Tolkien_Gateway:Manual_of_Style#Article_layout]] looks to be pretty accurate. We usually have the references at the bottom. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 13:40, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
 
::Great, thanks a lot.--[[User:Shivam|Shivam]] <font size="2" face="calibri"><span style="color:red">([[User talk:Shivam|Talk ]]/[[Special:Contributions/Shivam|Contribs]]/[[Special:Editcount/Shivam|Edits]])</span></font> 13:57, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
 
== Testing Notification System ==
 
Hi [[User:LorenzoCB]], this is just a test. I have configured the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Echo Echo Extension] for MediaWiki, which adds a notification bell in the top right. In theory if I link your username and add my signature to this message you should get a notification. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 05:29, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 
:Roget that. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] ([[User talk:LorenzoCB|talk]]) 09:26, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 
== Regarding The Atlas of Middle Earth ==
 
Can we upload maps and depictions from The Atlas of Middle Earth? [[User:Shivam|Shivam]] <font size="2" face="calibri"><span style="color:red">([[User talk:Shivam|Talk ]]/[[Special:Contributions/Shivam|Contribs]]/[[Special:Editcount/Shivam|Edits]])</span></font> 12:59, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 
?--[[User:Shivam|Shivam]] <font size="2" face="calibri"><span style="color:red">([[User talk:Shivam|Talk ]]/[[Special:Contributions/Shivam|Contribs]]/[[Special:Editcount/Shivam|Edits]])</span></font> 13:46, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
 
:No, we don't have the permission to use them. I think we have a couple of those maps but we better keep them as exceptions. What do you need? [[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] ([[User talk:LorenzoCB|talk]]) 13:57, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
::The one showing the Circles of the World in the Foreword before the Introduction. [[User:Shivam|Shivam]] <font size="2" face="calibri"><span style="color:red">([[User talk:Shivam|Talk ]]/[[Special:Contributions/Shivam|Contribs]]/[[Special:Editcount/Shivam|Edits]])</span></font> 04:39, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
:::You refer to something like [[:File:Sage_-_Evolution_of_Arda.jpg|this]]? Actually we have some drawings by Tolkien himself concerning [[Ambarkanta]] (see [[Ambarkanta maps]]). But note that this diagram by Fonstad is based on Ambarkanta and I think they aren't consistent to the very vague cosmology of the Silmarillion. [[User:Sage|Sage]] ([[User talk:Sage|talk]]) 06:28, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 
::::Yes, [[:File:Sage_-_Evolution_of_Arda.jpg|this]] one. The one given in The Atlas of Middle Earth look a bit better but this helps. Thanks.--[[User:Shivam|Shivam]] <font size="2" face="calibri"><span style="color:red">([[User talk:Shivam|Talk ]]/[[Special:Contributions/Shivam|Contribs]]/[[Special:Editcount/Shivam|Edits]])</span></font> 11:09, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 
== Rewriting pages ==
 
Hey, I noticed there are headings above some articles saying that the page needs to be rewritten. I’d love to try and help, but I’m not really sure what that means. Is it just fixing grammatical errors and helping the overall clarity and cohesion, or does that tag also mean that there are incorrect facts in the page or something like that? I rewrote the [[Bilbo's Farewell Party|page about Bilbo’s party]] and removed the rewrite tag, but then I realized that, since I haven’t done this before, I might have done something wrong. I’d appreciate it if you could take a look at my edit and let me know if that was what was needed! It would be great :) [[User:Thingol|Thingol]] ([[User talk:Thingol|talk]]) 21:39, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

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Just a doubt[edit source]

Hi Hyarion
I had a simple doubt
Can we copy an entire page created by someone else and just put our name on it?
I know it sounds a bit ridiculous but i have to clear this.
Thanks.
--Shivam (Talk /Contribs/Edits) 03:28, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Shivam! I'm not sure the context of your question, if you're referring to copying a page from Tolkien Gateway, or to Tolkien Gateway, but either way the answer would be a definite no. --Hyarion (talk) 03:33, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I mean say you created a page on Tolkien Gateway and I copied it entirely and put my name on it and shared it's link on my user page.(Just an example, I won't do such thing). --Shivam (Talk /Contribs/Edits) 11:00, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, that sounds a bit unethical. --Hyarion (talk) 01:36, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well something like that has happened to me. Although i haven't created many pages, actually just one, so someone copied it entirely and put their name on it. Is there anything i should do?.--Shivam (Talk /Contribs/Edits) 01:57, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Can you provide more context? Thanks! --Hyarion (talk) 12:32, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I solved it, thanks.--Shivam (Talk /Contribs/Edits) 11:40, 23 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Concerning article cleanup[edit source]

Hi! I've been cleaning up some articles lately that have had headings like "Plot" or "Synopsis." Should I be putting these as sub-headings under a "History" heading? BrandonEchols (talk) 00:34, 12 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Brandon! It's so great to have you on the team! Great question, if we use Hordes of the Things as an example, I think the "History" section could likely be eliminated. Pretty much everything about the subject will be considered "history", so the heading, at least to me, seems a little redundant. What are your thoughts though? --Hyarion (talk) 01:03, 12 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think that there needs to be a heading over the sub-headings, and that could be "History," but it could be something else. I, personally, think that "History" works just fine, as it does all realate to history, but what do you think? There could be just sub-headings, but that might look weird... --BrandonEchols (talk) 01:45, 12 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ah yes, I agree about sub-headings needing a heading. I meant I would be okay with those sub-headings being converted to headings. --Hyarion (talk) 02:30, 12 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I agree. I think it would be fine, but in the Manual of Style it shows that only the following headings can be used: History, Legacy, Etymology, Other names, Genealogy, Other versions of the legendarium, Inspiration, Portrayal in adaptations, See also, Notes, External links, References, and Further reading. The manual of style could be updated, we could come up with another heading that can be used in all of these situations so there's a general way of doing it, or we could just convert those to regular headings. What's your opinion? --BrandonEchols (talk) 02:37, 12 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hm, I think the Manual of Style just says "typically", so it's not an absolute requirement (if you see phrasing that's more strict, definitely let me know). Those headings are primarily intended for in-universe characters, locations, etc. so it's perfectly fine if Hordes of the Things deviates from that. It's difficult to list all the possible top-level headings, so I usually will check some articles on similar subjects to see what the consensus seems to be and go from there. I agree though, expanding the policy so everyone doesn't have to wing it isn't a bad idea, I just want to avoid having a policy that is 1,000 pages long :) --Hyarion (talk) 03:26, 12 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think that it's a good idea to add a few new heading options to the Manual of Style. I'm not sure if it's possible but, because I'm working on cleaning up a big portion of the articles, I could add new heading "defaults" to the Manual of Style as needed. That is, if I'm able to get editing permission. Obviously, I wouldn't abuse this power. There are definitely a lot of possibilities for this, but I would just add the "primary" ones. i.e. Plot, Production, Bibliography, and any other main ones I come upon. I definitely agree that we shouldn't have a 1,000 page long policy, though! :D Is this possible? --BrandonEchols (talk) 03:32, 12 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Lorenzo's user talk[edit source]

I have seen that you deleted the new LorenzoCB talk page, I need that page to communicate with him. Excessive Vandalism made him protect that page, so only admins can edit it. I'm not an admin, and neither are three quarters of the people on TG, and when we need to contact him we would not be able to. That is why I made that page and would like to keep it so we Gatekeepers can contact him--Tformer (talk) 19:23, 17 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Few Doubts[edit source]

Do we have the right to use soundtracks of The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings series?
What is the sequence of layout of a page, I mean what's the correct order of writing History, Etymology, Genealogy, References, Other Versions, etc?--Shivam (Talk /Contribs/Edits) 07:22, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Great questions! We don't have any kind of official approval for use of soundtracks, but depending on what the specific scenario is, we can usually use something in a limited capacity under the fair use doctrine. I would say the Tolkien_Gateway:Manual_of_Style#Article_layout looks to be pretty accurate. We usually have the references at the bottom. --Hyarion (talk) 13:40, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Great, thanks a lot.--Shivam (Talk /Contribs/Edits) 13:57, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Testing Notification System[edit source]

Hi User:LorenzoCB, this is just a test. I have configured the Echo Extension for MediaWiki, which adds a notification bell in the top right. In theory if I link your username and add my signature to this message you should get a notification. --Hyarion (talk) 05:29, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Roget that. --LorenzoCB (talk) 09:26, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Regarding The Atlas of Middle Earth[edit source]

Can we upload maps and depictions from The Atlas of Middle Earth? Shivam (Talk /Contribs/Edits) 12:59, 21 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

?--Shivam (Talk /Contribs/Edits) 13:46, 3 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No, we don't have the permission to use them. I think we have a couple of those maps but we better keep them as exceptions. What do you need? LorenzoCB (talk) 13:57, 3 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The one showing the Circles of the World in the Foreword before the Introduction. Shivam (Talk /Contribs/Edits) 04:39, 4 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You refer to something like this? Actually we have some drawings by Tolkien himself concerning Ambarkanta (see Ambarkanta maps). But note that this diagram by Fonstad is based on Ambarkanta and I think they aren't consistent to the very vague cosmology of the Silmarillion. Sage (talk) 06:28, 4 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, this one. The one given in The Atlas of Middle Earth look a bit better but this helps. Thanks.--Shivam (Talk /Contribs/Edits) 11:09, 8 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Rewriting pages[edit source]

Hey, I noticed there are headings above some articles saying that the page needs to be rewritten. I’d love to try and help, but I’m not really sure what that means. Is it just fixing grammatical errors and helping the overall clarity and cohesion, or does that tag also mean that there are incorrect facts in the page or something like that? I rewrote the page about Bilbo’s party and removed the rewrite tag, but then I realized that, since I haven’t done this before, I might have done something wrong. I’d appreciate it if you could take a look at my edit and let me know if that was what was needed! It would be great :) Thingol (talk) 21:39, 19 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]