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Title changes, language questions

I've read WP's article on editing, but it says nothing on changing the title. How do you change the title? I mean, I saw Long Horn Cotton, I've checked the genealogies, and it's Long Hom. Some of the language headings are incorrect too - especially the Adûnaic ones. And do we need a clearer entry on Rohirric, because this is Old English and Rohirian (the word Tolkien used for it) mixed together... Ederchil 07:13, 13 January 2008 (EST)

Hello there Ederchil, first I wanted to thank you for your recent edits, it is always nice to have a new face around and you've been doing a great job. There should be a move button next to History and you can move the article to the correct title, I've gone ahead and fixed the Long Hom Cotton article. We usually try and bring up the move on the talk page before moving, but for obvious spelling mistakes such as that one it is okay to just move it without asking.
One thing I always forget as well, when we want to link to Categories we have to add a colon in front, like [[:Category:Rohirric words|Rohirric]], otherwise it doesn't display the text and just adds the article to said category.
I agree with both of your statements on Adûnaic and Rohirric words, if you can try to cite your sources that would be great and we can eliminate any errors. Thanks for your input and let me know if I can help with anything at all. --Hyarion 14:18, 13 January 2008 (EST)

Ugluk fanfiction

Hyar: i'm sorry to accuse you like this but a friend of mine noticed what appears to be some extreme extrepolation in the Ugluk article. I had a check through the history and noticed that it all changed to that status with your rewrite. Now i know i dont know everything about the texts but what are your sources for Ugluk's company meeting Gollum, along with a preliminary meeting with grishnakh and specific information on how Ugluk's company came about? It's certainly not anywhere in the actual book Lord of the Rings. Dr Death 13:48, 17 January 2008 (EST)

Don't be sorry! The sooner we cite everything in the articles the better. At the bottom I listed the other reference (aside from The Two Towers) as "The Lord of the Rings: A Reader's Companion, "The Departure of Boromir,", "The Uruk-hai", this is indeed where the content you brought up came from. I'd definitely recommend this book if you don't have it already. It looks like Hammond and Scull found this information in a "Scheme" manuscript which is an unpublished timeline of events. I know little of this manuscript so I'll do some research on it, however I have the utmost respect for Hammond and Scull. I've been holding off on citations since hopefully by the end of the month, next month at the latest, we should be running on an upgraded version of MediaWiki which will allow us to install the same citation extension which Wikipedia uses. --Hyarion 14:05, 17 January 2008 (EST)
Fair enoughski, however the question does arise: 'is it canon?' I think given the confusion that has arisen, it might be worth including a sort of 'other versions of the legendarium' or 'greater works' section in which that information is included and independently assessed since i dont think a footnote will suffice for what the casual reader (and even the dedicated reader: i really was miffed by it) might at first think to be a factual error. Dr Death 04:17, 18 January 2008 (EST)

Questions on proper form (besides proper comma usage)

Articles before proper names of Ages; should it be "in Second Age Numenor was really neat," or more like "in the Third Age the Hobbits were smoking?" It's given that particular dates within any certain age do not need a definite article (in F.A. 42 the elves all sailed the ocean blue) but I'm not sure which way I should format the other. Also, is there any way to flag articles that are in the process of major rewrites so that we are not doubling efforts? Lastly, if I just happened to be a great gift giver, would you and eight of your friends each want to recieve a nice piece of jewelry? Singe 00:38, 28 January 2008 (EST)

"the Third Age" is the correct usage vs. simply "Third Age" and yes, you don't need to use "the" if you are stating a specific year of the age. Hm, flagging articles that are in the process of being rewritten is a good idea, until we create a template for such a notice, feel free to just mention so on the article's talk page. I think I would have to double check the possession of the jewelry didn't cause me to turn into a wraith and become controlled by a dark lord before accepting such a thing (sounds an awful lot like an engagement ring...) --Hyarion 00:58, 28 January 2008 (EST)

A picture my-bad

Could you delete this: Image:20070902204908!Arda.gif? I re-uploaded it with a better name. -- Ederchil 15:24, 8 February 2008 (EST)

No worries, fixed :) --Hyarion 16:10, 8 February 2008 (EST)


Thank you for the thumbnail! I couldn't figure that out! -Ingwe

No problem, wiki-code takes some getting used to, but once you get the hang of it , it all makes sense :) --Hyarion 01:18, 9 February 2008 (EST)

Two Trees

Please add recent Two Trees of Valinor image to Roger Garland's image page. -Ingwe

It looks like Ederchil beat me to it. If you ever want to add images to a category just add something like this to the bottom of the page: [[Category:Images by Artist name]] --Hyarion 17:46, 9 February 2008 (EST)
Yeah, I figured that out right after I asked you. I have just finished categorizing my recent uploads and linking their summaries with related articles. -Ingwe

Main Page

Isn't it time for a new featured article? Or a new quote? These are on forever. Because of the new Hobbit movie, maybe Bilbo Baggins? -- Ederchil 09:32, 11 February 2008 (EST)

Definitely, one option is to have the article/quote be random from a pre-chosen list of options, and the other is to vote on a new article/quote every week or month. The difficult part with voting is we need to have at least a fair amount of people voting, we might have almost enough editors for that at the moment so maybe we should start working on the process, I'll see if we can launch something with the new skin. --Hyarion 18:13, 13 February 2008 (EST)
Actually, when I read the article after I posted, I noticed "stay tuned for April 17th". How outdated. -- Ederchil 09:19, 14 February 2008 (EST)

Pics on TolkienGateway

Hello Hyarion, we from Ardapedia are wondering what type of license you use for pictures in TolkienGateway, do you ask for permission from each drawer him/herself? Do you use the common GNU-License like in Wikipedia? We would really like to get and add some new pictures on Ardapedia, but we strictly use licenses (like GNU, PD, and in some cases "copyrighted pics with the permission of the author"), thanks for your answer, --Sinthoras 11:05, 13 February 2008 (EST)

Hey there Sinthoras. One thing we definitely need to work on adding is licenses to all the images, as the licenses vary. We try to contact all of the artists for permission before uploading any of their work and so far I think everyone has stated as long as we aren't for-profit, credit them, and link back to their website, etc. then it's fine, we've yet to have someone not allow the images to be displayed. When we don't hear back or are unable to contact/find an artist we upload the images as "Fair use". I would recommend contacting the artists and asking for permission if you can as they tend to want to know who is using their images and I don't know of any that are available under the GNU FDL. --Hyarion 18:21, 13 February 2008 (EST)

Epessi and Epithets

Is there any policy on including these in the article's title? It's obviously the case when dealing with disambigs, like Beren Erchamion, Túrin Turambar or Dior Eluchil. However, it's unclear in the case of the kings of Rohan: compare Brytta Léofa and Fréaláf Hildeson with Théoden (not "Théoden Ednew"), and Éomer (not "Éomer Éadig"). Nor is it the case with Borondir ("Borondir Udalraph"). IMO it would look more "professional" if we would include such epithets and epessi in the title. -- Ederchil 13:07, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Good question. I don't have a problem with adding them, as obviously we would include redirects from the common name. Up until this point we have tried to just use whatever name was mentioned the most in Tolkien's text as this is what the most people would be familiar with. My only concern would be it would turn a large percentage of links to Théoden, Éomer, etc. into links to redirects, and we probably don't want to bother with typing [[Théoden Ednew|Théoden]]. It also might add, if only minimally, some confusion for those who aren't familiar with "Théoden Ednew" or "Éomer Éadig". However these aren't huge negatives and if everyone else thinks it would be a good idea then I'm all for it. --Hyarion 16:46, 18 February 2008 (EST)


I was disussing this with someone: there's apparently no good place where the names of all the characters and places are in translations of the book. I only found this on Dutch Wikipedia (presumably, other language wiki's have lists too). We already have such a list at Frodo, should we include such lists at other characters as well?
Also, did you know this? Definately worth some research. -- Ederchil 04:46, 26 February 2008 (EST)

I think it would be worth noting the translations of the character's name in the article, and I definitely think an article which lists all of the translations would be a great idea. What should we call the article, "Translations"? The Harry Potter book is hilarious and I hadn't realized it was a rip off of The Hobbit until now, while probably not worth its own article, we should probably find some place to put that information. --Hyarion 18:16, 28 February 2008 (EST)
What we could also do is make separate pages for all the translations (with a cat:Translations), including information on publishing date, company, translator, and characters. -- Ederchil 10:04, 29 February 2008 (EST)
I guess it just depends on how much of a conflict there is between different translations of the same name by different translators into the same language. My idea would be to have a universal article such as Translations that has a table with them all. One thing we definitely need is, not necessarily an article for every foreign edition, but at least one article for every language for now, so something like Chinese editions of The Lord of the Rings seems logical. --Hyarion 18:42, 3 March 2008 (EST)


I would appreciate much if you could turn on the [1]

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